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Illustrious_Air_1438 t1_it9cj47 wrote
And Democrats are too lazy to show up in off year primaries, so they will probably pass. That's what usually happens.
JediLion17 t1_itbntzs wrote
I think turn out would be better if PA had open primaries.
Crawlerado t1_itbovwy wrote
Agreed. It was quite the shock to be turned away from voting after living in states where it’s the norm.
quietreasoning t1_itbrwlo wrote
"Regular/typical" Americans are too lazy/uninterested to vote regularly. That's how you get a minority with ~30% of the population able to drive us to this craziness. Team D and Team R is a mindset we need to drop.
To be clear, vote Democrat and never the traitor party, but if we get passed this Era we need to get better.
susinpgh t1_itc3a0m wrote
That's the plan.
MandoFett123456 t1_it8ff3x wrote
> This past summer, as lawmakers wrapped up work on the state budget, the Republican-led chambers rammed through a bill containing five proposed changes, many of them controversial. Among them: declaring the state constitution does not grant any right relating to abortion, adding new identification requirements for voters, and scaling back the governor’s executive powers.
The Republicans are going to set us back decades if they continue to gain power. Everyone needs to vote blue this November.
Edit: You can still register to vote, don’t let the GOP take away your rights and freedoms. Make a plan to vote. Make a plan for your friends and family to vote. Do it today and don’t delay: https://vote.gov/register/pa/
Early voting is also an option! https://www.vote.pa.gov/Voting-in-PA/pages/early-voting.aspx
LightInTheAttic3 OP t1_it94xso wrote
Looking at the current "proposed amendments to the constitution of Pennsylvania" the most concerning ones are:
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(1) That Article I be amended by adding a section to read:
§ 30. Abortion.
This constitution does not grant the right to taxpayer-funded abortion or
any other right relating to abortion.
and
(4) That section 1 of Article VII be amended to read:
§ 1. Qualifications of electors.
(a) Every citizen 21 years of age, possessing the following qualifications, shall
be entitled to vote at all elections subject, however, to such laws requiring and
regulating the registration of electors as the General Assembly may enact.
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A very vague ban-all law making any type or form of abortion illegal. And raising the voting age to 21......Which very well might be showing up in the next few election cycles. Just not this one because Gov. Wolf actually vetoed the bills that proposed the constitutional changes be allowed to be added and voted on the ballot.
susinpgh t1_itc3jnc wrote
Could you please post the link to the entire bill? I'd appreciate it.
LightInTheAttic3 OP t1_itc4mo6 wrote
I found it hyper-linked within the above news article. It is a .pdf file published by: Pennsylvania Department of State, Bureau of Elections, Room 210 North Office Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120, 1-877-868-3772, RA-Elections@pa.gov.
https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/Documents/DOS_JR2021-2_10x21.pdf
susinpgh t1_itcfzuv wrote
Thank you so much!
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TheInnerHam t1_it8mbno wrote
Those things all seem good to me. I'll be voting red, except for Oz. Fuck that guy.
Knightwing1047 t1_it8t6ea wrote
Bruh, I hope your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend knows how you feel because no matter which one you have, Mastriano will make sure that they have no rights. Or if you are single, I hope your daughter, sister, mother, female cousin, whoever knows this too. Things will be very different when the shit that Mastriano is about to bring hits close to home.
Pineapple_Herder t1_it8z53w wrote
I really wish the ppl voting republican understood what they're doing to all their female relatives. They're blatantly saying: I believe you, as a female, deserve less rights than me. Your health and well being should be determined by someone else. And that's just abortion.
That's not even getting into the domino effect of ultra conservative legislation. Cut support to needy families so it further compels them to seek profit through crime because you gotta feed that kid your girlfriend wasn't allowed to abort.
We're so fucked as a country. I just hope enough ppl vote this election to buy the rational silent majority time to fight back.
Knightwing1047 t1_it8zm57 wrote
Oh this guy knows, just doesn't care. An unborn cluster of cells is more important than the person he vowed to spend his life with.
Anyone voting for the pieces of shit Mastriano or Oz thinks this way. They also hold their own personal opinions and discomfort at the idea of homosexuality and gay marriage above the feelings and rights of another human being.
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bontakun82 t1_it9660i wrote
Lol tell me you're crazy racist without telling me your crazy racist
SuggestAPhotoProject t1_ite2z85 wrote
What part of their comment was racist? None of the three policies they agreed with had anything to do with race, nor did anyone mention race at all before you started accusing people of racism.
If you disagree with these GOP policies, as I do, you’d be better served by having a dialog about what’s wrong with these policies, rather than immediately calling them a “crazy racist.”
TheInnerHam t1_itaeepg wrote
Lol tell me you're incapable of independent thought without telling me you're incapable of independent thought.
It would be laughable how often you people throw out an "ist" card without actually engaging in a real discussion if it wasn't dividing the country so much. But it's okay, the person on the magical screen told you that anyone who has a different political position than you is racist, now enjoy your cookie and a warm glass of milk.
GrabtheBull t1_itbn096 wrote
I’ll bite, I’m not calling you any kind of “it’s” and I’m curious why you hate Oz and what stances Mastriano has that you agree with, and how you see his support for the destruction of American democracy as a positive thing. Sincerely curious to hear your independent thoughts.
TheInnerHam t1_itbtnfq wrote
I dislike Oz because he has flipped every position he holds from his time on his show to the default republican when he started running for public office. Though someone's thoughts on a topic can change over time, typically it doesn't happen that fast and that completely. I also really dislike the idea of creating an ad stating that someone who had a stroke has "screws loose". I disagree with Fetterman's positions on most issues, but the man suffered a tragic medical event and that shouldn't be made fun of.
I agree with Mastriano on opening up Pa's energy sector to produce more natural gas. We have a lot of energy here that can be extracted and exported and it will help reduce economic pressure on American families. I agree with him on making Pa a constitutional carry state and giving law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves without government bureaucracy getting in the way and slowing down the process. I agree with him on school choice and allowing parents to choose where their kids go to school. I also agree with voter id laws and helping ensure the integrity of our elections.
I assume that you are referring to Jan 6th when you mention him supporting the "Destruction of American Democracy". My general stance on January 6th was that it was very misguided and pretty stupid for the protestors to go into the capital. I agree with questioning all elections in general and the 2020 election in specific. There should always be maximum transparency in our elections and if a non-insignificant portion of the population doesn't trust the results, we should audit the results to address their concerns. We shouldn't just tell them their concerns are baseless and to go be quiet and just accept the results. It does nothing but cause the mistrust to fester. I'm totally fine with people that went to the capital to protest, even if going into the capital itself was stupid.
GrabtheBull t1_itbwv2j wrote
Do you care about the well-being of the people/water/land in the areas that they want to frack, the potential displacement and harm to those communities, and long-term effects of that sort of quick and dirty way of energy gains rather than more sustainable energy options that also provide jobs and money to the communities without destroying natural resources and making people sick?
I live in a fairly rural area and personally know people who carry guns in PA who legally shouldn’t (and who I personally don’t trust for safety reasons). Expanding carry laws to make it legally easier to carry a gun will mean very little to those in communities where everyone already carries and there’s very little enforcement of the laws in place. I see no net benefit to expanding those laws, as the areas where easier access to guns would potentially hurt more people than help will outweigh any theoretical benefit to people in areas where the people crying for that expansion live.
He wants to personally be able to decide who has access to voting and what votes count. He wants to personally be able to decertify voting machines and votes. Do you not see how a person being elected controlling whose votes count is fascism and not democracy? What makes you think you or he or me, for that matter, should get to personally decide what a “legitimate” and “free” and “fair” election looks like? There should be a nationally-regulated standard for certifying votes, etc, and this should NOT be left up to the whims and fancies of local electors. He will do nothing to create a more fair voting or election process. He will pick and choose which votes count to give himself more power. The idea that the 2020 election was rigged or skewed has been categorically proven to be a myth, and the cases of voter fraud that have actually held up have mostly been found to be Republicans. Making it harder to vote doesn’t lead to a more sound or fair election.
There, I refuted your bigger points without calling you racist. I don’t expect you to change anything, and I do think it’s unfortunate that you believe the lines of bullshit being fed to you. All the best to you.
Salty-Database-179 t1_itc0uvm wrote
He ain't gonna read this. He said his stupid shit and he's moving on to troll another thread. They aren't keen on the whole take in new information and adapt your views thing.
GrabtheBull t1_itci158 wrote
The working class can and must be engaged by ideas and policies that might actually help them. A majority will reject them off-hand because GOP identity politics works most strongly on them, but you will plant seeds of doubt in some folks. Leaving wrong ideas unchecked and otherized hasn’t gotten our society any lasting change, it’s just led to our current issues. Societies and cultures don’t get better because you call someone an idiot or a racist. I’m not saying everyone should engage everyone who supports politicians with backwards, dangerous, fascist viewpoints, but if they only ever hear the other side hurling insults at them, they’re gonna double the fuck down on their support of fascists.
TheInnerHam t1_itcc6ar wrote
You are incorrect.
TheInnerHam t1_itcbyg0 wrote
You can access our natural gas resources without poisoning the communities around them and completely destroying the environment. Though I think there is a lot of potential opportunities for greener technologies the infrastructure isn't there yet. We can build that infrastructure while still utilizing what we currently rely on, i.e. fossil fuels. It's not an either or proposition. We can and should do both.
Everyone has the right to self preservation, and in a world where firearms exist, everyone should be allowed to carry one if they see fit.
No one is going to be able to hand select which voted counts. But we should have clear laws on which voted do and when they are valid. Regardless of which side benefitted from it, all voter fraud is wrong and should be prevented.
I refute your refutation, but I appreciate your honest discussion. The best to you as well.
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scotticusphd t1_itbda0p wrote
You're voting for the Confederate uniform guy, though?
TheInnerHam t1_itbow3t wrote
I don't have to agree with everything a person does to vote for them. A history teacher dressing up as a confederate soldier is misguided, especially given the context of the photoshoot, but is a nothing burger of an issue for me. Playing dress up is not the same as espousing the beliefs of what you are dressing up as. We don't know why he did it. We know the speculation given to us by biased reporters, but that doesn't make it the reality.
scotticusphd t1_itcd8or wrote
The comment precisely demonstrates how fascists obtain power. People who ignore racism and look the other way are literally how Hitler rose to power in the 1930s. Mastriano and Trump are following the same playbook.
Mastriano also has ties to antisemitic groups, and the Christian nationalist site Gab. He's made it clear that he only intends to govern for white Christians by the company he keeps and the prayers he starts his rallies with. I'm happy for you that you can look tgr other way, but I can't. He's a danger.
bontakun82 t1_itbot5m wrote
I don't have to engage in any kind of discussion with you. Why would I care to hear what a dumb racist says? See that's what people like you fail to realize, I actually don't have to respect your opinion because your opinion is shitty and bigoted.
TheInnerHam t1_itbuq0o wrote
You don't even know what my opinion is. You make a blanket generalization that I must be a racist because I'm voting for Republicans. Someone thinks differently than you and they are automatically dumb and racist. That's a pretty shitty and bigoted opinion you have there.
bontakun82 t1_itc7rnb wrote
Well you're supporting the party of white nationalists, so yeah. "BuT tHe DeMs ArE tHe ReAl RaCiStS" you're right, you do think differently than me, I think everyone should be free and you vote for people who take away freedom so I think you're a piece of shit. If that makes me a bigot by the definition then I'm totally ok with that, I'll be a bigot towards racist Republicans all day.
TheInnerHam t1_itc935c wrote
"The party of white nationalists" you're tilting at windmills there bud.
bontakun82 t1_itcf3h1 wrote
Lol well they aren't voting Democrat and they definitely voted for trump. Hey, remember that unit the left rally in Charlotte where all the progressives matched in the streets? No, me neither because it was unite the right and they were openly Nazis.
TheInnerHam t1_itcglql wrote
There were progressive protestors in Charlottesville. The woman that died was a progressive protestor.
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Knightwing1047 t1_it8sp76 wrote
I feel like this is borderline suppression. Why wouldn't you want to inform your constituents about your platforms? Granted, those who are most likely voting for Oz or (god help us all) Mastriano are those who are either informed, shitty individuals, or UNinformed idiots who have no idea what they are voting for but will vote red just because they will never vote blue.
Pineapple_Herder t1_it8zf1q wrote
You can't reason with blind faith. The people who support the Republicans will support them even as our state burns down around them because they believe their delusions.
Knightwing1047 t1_it8zuna wrote
They'd rather die than be in a socialist society. Meanwhile capitalism is LITERALLY killing people.
Pineapple_Herder t1_it9mwdc wrote
When I ask if the local fire department should operate on an individual pay system (where if you don't pay they don't put out your house, but if your neighbor pays they have an obligation to protect your neighbors house from your fire) my Republican relatives all very adamantly say no. And when I explain we all collectively pay taxes to protect other people's house fires they nod and say yes. And when I'm like... But that's a socialist benefit... They get angry with me and redirect the subject to well we can't overdo things like that.
If they can't concede that there are even benefits to public services that they are ACTIVELY benefiting from... I don't know how to reach them. I give up.
The amount of times I've been told "If you don't like it here then just leave..." Is insane. But yes, I'm actually working towards moving out of this country because I fear for my future here.
Knightwing1047 t1_itbyr2g wrote
It’s the same when explaining that Karl Marx helped lay the foundation for our modern labor unions. Social security, Medicare, all the things these boomers are starting to take advantage of are social programs which are SOCIAList in nature. Pig headed capitalist brainwashing is dooming us.
Everything is evil until it hits close to home. Look at Herschel Walker now, big anti-abortionist GOP dickhead, is now being accused of paying for his mistress’s abortion to cover his own ass, not even for health reasons.
A woman’s right to choice is not debatable, it’s a right. Someone who wants to get married to someone of the same sex is not up for debate, it’s a right. Someone who doesn’t want to be what they were assigned at birth and wants to make a change to their life and have a fulfilling and happy life, that shouldn’t be up for debate, that should be a right.
The things that are on the ballot this election shouldn’t even be there. We need to shut these Christian nationalists down, send them back to their 2am meetings in the fields with their white hoods where they belong.
Pineapple_Herder t1_iteia7b wrote
People really don't want to put a name to the christian nationalist movement. I guess if you refuse to give it a name it doesn't exist? Idfk
5 years ago I told my husband that I would lose my right to choose and he laughed. He said I was panicking over nothing - that would never happen... And yet here we are.
I wish I knew how to better convince people of the increasing threat of this Christian based extremism. They know how to manipulate their runs for office, they said what 50 years ago they were coming for the supreme court so they could overturn Roe? And look, they fucking did it! If they can successfully undermine what is possibly the highest power in our country... They can utterly fuck your state's government, too.
This isn't your classic backwoods KKK Christian BS, this is a much more palatable extremism with a friendly Christian face but it's a movement to push us towards a theocracy none the less. And in a country supposedly based on religious freedom, their progress to push their beliefs onto non believers through legal punishment/persecution should be terrifying. But people just don't see it.
They're too exhausted trying to survive. I am, too, but my gut feeling tells me to get out while I can. If this movement doesn't slow, I don't want to know what this country will look like in 20 years.
Von_Moistus t1_itagsd1 wrote
Yes, but it’s killing minorities faster, so that makes it okay!
/s
Excelius t1_it8ggg2 wrote
Changes to the state constitution must be approved by the legislature in two sessions of congress, so they would have to pass the proposed ones a second time next year in order for them to appear before voters for approval.
We'll see but I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans got cold feet on advancing the abortion amendment again, after watching voters in Kansas soundly reject a similar amendment just a few months ago.
If a deep red state like Kansas can't pull it off, they have to know their chances are bad in a state like PA.
Wouldn't be surprised if they tried to pass all of the other proposed amendments though, in the hopes that not putting abortion on the ballot lulls voters to stay home.
tehmlem t1_it8ioxt wrote
Does Kansas let them hide amendments on off year ballots? That's a big tool for the PA GOP.
Excelius t1_it8m8hy wrote
The Kansas vote was during a primary election, but they hold theirs later than we do so it was in August.
Turnout was high despite it being a primary because of how hot-button of an issue it was, it's not exactly the sort of thing that's going to fly under the radar.
That's why I was suggesting that if Republicans were smart/sneaky they would back off from the abortion amendment and pass the others to be on off-year primary ballot.
wagsman t1_it8lrs6 wrote
The next legislative session will happen after the election, so they wont care. It will be like a year and a half before the 2024 election where they could potentially face consequences. Voters dont stay that mad that long.
Any-Palpitation-6067 t1_itaijrz wrote
Anyone else having trouble registering on the website? I've tried numerous times. No go.
wagsman t1_it8lgfy wrote
Of course not because turnout will be higher. They will put them in for the primaries in 2023.