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RipTide275 t1_j2e57x8 wrote

500 more murders coming up in 23. Great

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aust_b t1_j2e5qnj wrote

Even though I do not like krasners policies, violent crime is up considerably nationwide. Pair that with a lousy police union no shit the stats are bad in Philly. This was a political stunt by the GOP because they are mad Philly has so much sway with large elections.

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OccasionallyImmortal t1_j2fgjuu wrote

> violent crime is up considerably nationwide

Mainly in cities avoiding prosecutions. It's the same problem with similar causes. There's widespread incompetence. There's no reason Philly needs to participate.

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RipTide275 t1_j2e7xq5 wrote

He’s not the only issue of course but he is a terrible DA and unfortunately will not be held accountable table. He has blood on his hands

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aust_b t1_j2e8ax8 wrote

His policies are good on paper, just terrible execution.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j2esa3u wrote

To see a competent reformist DA look no further than Jack Stollsteimer in Delco, who unlike Krasner has actually accomplished the goal of reducing homicides and shootings, while diverting people out of the criminal justice system.

Chester has been a profound success at focused deterrence. Meanwhile in Philly were setting new records for violent crime.

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No-Professional-1884 t1_j2e5n16 wrote

Oh boo hoo. Repubs learn they can’t just impeach because their feelings are hurt that their Emperor Mango Unchained is a conman spy and is going to jail.

Bunch of snowflakes.

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RipTide275 t1_j2e88q1 wrote

Ain’t politics dummy. People die because he sucks at his job. Yep you owned the GOP. Awesome. Go tell the families of the 500+ mostly poor POC that you owned them

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turbodsm t1_j2e8v1q wrote

It's always politics. Tell Harrisburg Republicans to fund social programs in Philly better instead of worrying about abortion access, non existent voter fraud and trans athletes.

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sirfuzzitoes t1_j2eak3l wrote

No no no. That ain't politics. Those are my beliefs! /s

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RipTide275 t1_j2erbtu wrote

How about a novel idea. Prosecute criminals and get them off the streets.

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turbodsm t1_j2esw7k wrote

That's not novel at all.

But in your situation, they get convicted and serve time. They come out poorer than when they went in. They weren't rehabilitated. There's no support structure for them after release. They go back to what they need to do to survive. The cycle continues. But that's the point isn't it? That's the whole school to prison pipeline. That's the whole reason for for profit prisons. That's why cops make so much money. Because crime pays.

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turbodsm t1_j2f09dt wrote

You're just spiteful for some reason. You're opposing a solution proven to work. But it hurts your feelings because criminals deserve no respect apparently.

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Odd_Shirt_3556 t1_j2flkml wrote

So where in your paradigm does personal responsibility, education, and abiding by the law fall in your undertaking of more social programs? Not being spiteful, honestly curious how we can spend more when so much seems wasted now. There are 501 school districts in Pennsylvania and Philadelphia comes in # 17 in spending per pupil. ($13283 per student) It ranks #450 in standardized tests. By any measure, that is a problem. There are an enormous amount of districts doing more successfully with far less money.
I get your statement that prisoner recidivism is a problem. It is.. but again the educational opportunities there are usually ignored or unused. I’m not necessarily against spending money, but throwing money at a situation with no results is not going to help. What we have done doesn’t seem to be working.

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turbodsm t1_j2fuj71 wrote

I think it's hard to judge the actions of others through your own personal lens.

  1. Police funding is up 33% since 2015. Or almost 200 million even while the size of the dept has been reduced. (More vacancies)
  2. 0 libraries are open on the weekend in Philly. So should we keep throwing money at police?

I think a drastic approach is needed. Remove blight in neighborhoods, build new schools and playgrounds, build entire new neighborhoods with local labor. Start a jobs program and teach new skills.

Unfortunately, you and I understand personal responsibility and how to live with others. We recognize long term consequences for our actions but these high schools kids do not. It truly needs to be a war time effort to right this ship. Like IEP in schools, the same system needs to be created.

My basis for this extreme help is realizing you just can't live in this world without money. Hunger makes people desperate. You and I might channel that energy differently but there's a whole range of different intelligence out there. That's why mental illness is found in higher rates in prison populations versus the whole population.

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[deleted] t1_j2f0zpk wrote

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turbodsm t1_j2f1atj wrote

Sounds like you need a system designed to exploit certain demographics in order for your business to survive.

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Libsoccer20 t1_j2evziu wrote

Tell me you weren't here in the late 80s and 90s without telling me you weren't here.

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RipTide275 t1_j2exh3t wrote

Lived in Phill for the past 55 years. What’s your point lib?

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Libsoccer20 t1_j2ezyzq wrote

Ahh.. Delco most likely... Not biased at all. 80-90s were worse in Philly. 500 a year.

Going to be a hard end to your life in Pa with millennials and gen z taking over and trending liberal as they age.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j2f1fpr wrote

They were not, love it when people post stupid comments that are easily verified.

Philly had one year 1990 where homicides hit 500, thoughout the 80s they average below 400. The 90s were worse but still below 500 homicides a year averaging just over 400 a year with 1990 being the worst year and overall decreasing heading into the 2000s.

https://mikenutterllc.com/news/news-item/philadelphia-homicides-1960-2020

2020, 2021, and 2022 have been all time highs for homicide in the city's history, shootings have also continued to increase every year.

Turns out being soft of guns is a bad idea.

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Libsoccer20 t1_j2f3cf6 wrote

Thanks for proving me right 😂 late 80s into early 90s were just as bad if not worse depending on the crime. Hip hop music helped bring a lot of this stuff to the front and the communities cleaned themselves up.. with the current rise of police brutality...again.. Plus economics.... brought it on again.

While you're at it check the statistics on the rise of crime after the last pandemic.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j2fawqk wrote

> 80-90s were worse in Philly. 500 a year.

Thanks proving you don't know how to do math. There was only 1 year in that time period where homicides hit 500.

In the 80s it averaged 351

In the 90s it averaged 411

in the 2000s it averaged 340

in the 10s it averaged 304

in the 3 years of 20s its averaged 525

If we just want to look at Krasners term in office 2018-present its averaged 457 a year. Other crime stats are also up at by dramatic amounts, such as car jacking, and retail theft, worse than those average rates in the 90s.

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geriatric_tatertot t1_j2fk22u wrote

How about the Philly PD ends its soft strike and actually starts making arrests in these violent crimes. You can’t prosecute people if no arrests are being made. Philly cops have been butthurt since Krasner got elected the first go around. They need to get over it and get back to work or the whole department should be reorganized like they did in Camden.

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RipTide275 t1_j2fmybq wrote

GFY tatertot. They could be better but Dem policies have destroyed the cops

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a-german-muffin t1_j2forab wrote

LOL, poor PPD, having to deal with a 33% budget increase under the Kenney administration and no major department-wide reforms, although a few particularly heinous cops got prosecuted and the controller’s office pointed out that the department’s still using fucking teletype machines to distribute critical daily info.

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avo_cado t1_j2ebmdj wrote

The DA doesn’t have a role in preventing crime

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IamChantus t1_j2f1rai wrote

That's 244 less than the per 10,000 rate for the entire country says it probably should be. 4.94 murders per 10,000 residents is 744. Meaning Philadelphia's murder rate is lower than the national average in a per Capita sense.

A town near you, Bensalem has a murder rate of 6.6 per 10,000 residents in 2022. Well above that of national average as well as Philly's rate.

So, you're either willingly ignoring the data that shows Krasner is doing a better job than your feelings (as well as your own local DA) tell you at least for this metric, or you're just yet another blinded fool being led around by the nose by whichever idiot in the box is your flavor of the week.

Seriously dude, look things up, it's not that hard to do basic maths.

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RipTide275 t1_j2fsv5x wrote

All you downvotes should go apologize to the families of the people killed

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IamChantus t1_j2fta6s wrote

Coincidentally, the cops stopped doing their jobs (slow down, blue flu, ect) when Krasner started looking into bad arrests and prosecutions. Though, I guess many of them weren't doing their jobs right to begin with since, in the name of justice and the rule of law, he was forced to release folks who's rights were trampled on.

Oh boo hoo. The shit apple cops are mad at the guy telling them they fucked up and must do better. What's worse is other cops becoming shit heels themselves by not helping to clean up their own ranks.

Kind of guessing you're one of those filthy cops, possibly just grimey. Or at least close with a filthy or grimey one since they can do no wrong according to your post history. So, if you're a cop, you at least cover for dirty ones making you also a dirty cop.

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RipTide275 t1_j2ftwcm wrote

Yeah you’re cool, you hate the police. Let’s see who you call when you’re in trouble

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IamChantus t1_j2fvzl9 wrote

Damn, nailed it.

Oh, I'll definitely be around for when they show up hours later to file a report.

Seriously though. I don't subscribe to the whole ACAB thing. I do believe the good ones must begin to hold the bad ones accountable though. There are good ones. Though hey're mostly the rookies that haven't had to let their senior officers get away with something yet. As soon as they allow their buddies to get away with something they'd be a hard ass against anyone else for, they become a bad cop.

They're people and have their flaw like anyone else. Because of their job, they must be held to at least the same standards they try and hold the rest of people to.

Many are full on pussies. Especially the small town ones. They're generally the worst. Haha! Forr instance, the punks who just want to bully others because the badge somehow gives them the right to. Most of those would get trashed if they took their badge off. Chicken shit losers. Then there's the whole Uvalde group. Each one every day until the one where they kiss their service weapon family goodbye for the last time should be reminded of their cowardice.

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RipTide275 t1_j2fwqky wrote

What do you do for a living ?

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IamChantus t1_j2fxer2 wrote

Make fun of little dick energy cops part time. /s

Thinking of going back to school to be a domestic violence councilor. I'll probably make more headway getting the bad cops of the streets than the "good" cops do.

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susinpgh t1_j2fxe2f wrote

I have had some great conversations with bike cops, here in Pittsburgh. I've met my share of assholes, as well as reasonable cops. I think you're right, the good cops need to hold the bad cops accountable.

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IamChantus t1_j2frva5 wrote

Awwww. Widdle q-naut blocked me because his arguments don't hold water.

STFU moron.

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