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akiva95 t1_j0v2uej wrote

Imagine caring so little about white supremacists targeting an ethnic minority that you type a paragraph ranting about Jews and how you'll never support them despite what white supremacists do to Jews.

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Beebeeleen t1_j0vcito wrote

Impact4 is withholding support for ALL religions for very valid reasons.

You are blatantly misrepresenting the post since the poster is condemning Nazis.

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akiva95 t1_j0wsadu wrote

Sorry, but saying you'll never show solidarity with Jews no matter what kind of persecution we receive is just a shitty thing to say. They said that, plain and simple, and we're being targeted. It isn't "valid" to go screech about Israel when American Jews are being discussed. If I started screeching about a Muslim country and saying I'll never support Muslims when American Muslims ask for support, that'd be just wrong of me.

>You are blatantly misrepresenting the post since the poster is condemning Nazis.

They condemned them for their white supremacy, and I doubt this person is educated enough to understand that white supremacists target and murder Jews. In context of what they said, "I'll never show support for Jews", I have no reason to believe that they were condemning Nazis for their antisemitism. Context matters.

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Beebeeleen t1_j0x3zh1 wrote

The moderator removed the other poster’s comment, which complicates much of our exchange. I’ll try to address your points below.

I agree that context matters. The poster did state they will not support ANY religion. They described some of the negative consequences of a few well-known religions, which were global examples that included Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. The big three so to speak. Your reply amounts to limiting the discussion to the US. There is no good reason to only consider this country while listing why someone does not support religion.

Now, what complicates any discussion about this topic is ambiguity. I will assume you understand the term Jew can apply to a member of the Jewish faith and/or an ethnic Jew (who might be secular and/or atheist or of another faith such as Buddhism).

I can only speak for myself here. I condemn all acts of discrimination. I condemn the recent propaganda against Jews (religious and secular).

Your second paragraph comes off as a personal attack more than anything. Do you know that person? I don’t. I didn’t find the post evidence of an uneducated person. But, I admit I only read one or two posts. Did you read more? I wonder on what grounds you make your claim.

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MrSneaki t1_j0uyumk wrote

> Fuck those Nazi POS and their pamphlets too, bunch of hateful cowards.

You know, you could just comment only this part, or at the very least, lead with it.

Whether you're right or not about that other stuff doesn't change the fact that you're proselytizing in the wrong forum. Showing support for the OP or not is your choice, of course, but if you want to talk about all the other content you're talking about here, there are other places where it would be much more appropriate less inappropriate to do so.

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thegilgulofbarkokhba t1_j0v1t94 wrote

No, he couldn't, because for Reddit atheists to condemn Nazis they have to go through a ritual where they talk about Jews being awful and how it'd be better if they didn't exist since organized religion is evil.

>there are other places where it would be much more appropriate to do so.

Ah, yes, polite society requires antisemitism be done in the appropriate places.

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Beebeeleen t1_j0vcu6k wrote

Antisemitism is one thing; atheism is another.

One can be an atheist without being an antisemite. Have you ever heard of Jerry Coyne? He is Jewish but also a very vocal atheist.

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Syncope7 t1_j0uvume wrote

Thanks for the anti-Semitic comment.

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Syncope7 t1_j0v1q4p wrote

Believing that Jewish people and the Zionist state of Israel are the same is not only insane, but willfully ignorant. The nation of Israel has crimes that they must answer for, but the people who follow Judaism, especially those that are your neighbors in Rhode Island have nothing to do with it.

If you hate religion, that’s fine. You can choose to not support your neighbors during times of heightens extremism and hatred towards Jews. However, your ignorant comment was both unwarranted and hateful. You should feel ashamed of yourself. Have a happy Holiday.

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saganaut410 t1_j0v4lqi wrote

supporting organized religion and supporting Jewish people as a marginalized group have nothing to do with eachother. Christopher Hitchens called he wants his neckbeard back.

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akiva95 t1_j0v384l wrote

The problem is the existence of supporting Jews was brought up during a very heightened time of antisemitic violence and you started screeching about Israel. That's antisemitic. The animosity towards Jews in your comment is palpable.

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RhodeIsland-ModTeam t1_j0wcoxm wrote

Your Comment / Post was removed because it violates rule 1, This is a subreddit focused on Rhode Island. Please keep posts relevant to Rhode Islanders. Posting or seeking any identifying personal information will result in an immediate ban. No exceptions.

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[deleted] t1_j0v0zax wrote

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[deleted] t1_j0v17w3 wrote

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RhodeIsland-ModTeam t1_j0wcdc8 wrote

Your Post was removed because it violates rule 2: Civility. Personal insults will not be tolerated.

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[deleted] t1_j0v21is wrote

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RhodeIsland-ModTeam t1_j0wcnej wrote

Your Post was removed because it violates rule 2: Civility. Personal insults will not be tolerated in this sub. You can make your point without calling people names.

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canibringmydog t1_j0vb8f6 wrote

You realize that it’s not just an “organized religion”, it’s an ethnicity, right? Your comment is short sighted, ignorant, and absolutely tasteless with current events. Happy Chanukah 🕎

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degggendorf t1_j0vy9lv wrote

I am hesitant to join in this loaded thread, but isn't the menorah a religious Jewish symbol, not an ethnic Jewish symbol?

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canibringmydog t1_j0w4881 wrote

I wish you remained hesitant. Don’t let my emoji selection take away from the point.

Edit: if you mean showcasing the menorah on Chanukah, I don’t understand. It’s Chanukah. You don’t need to be Jewish to put a menorah in your window. You don’t need to be Christian to be a Christmas tree in your home.

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degggendorf t1_j0whx7b wrote

>I wish you remained hesitant.

Wait why? Am I not supposed to try to learn new things here?

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canibringmydog t1_j0widf4 wrote

You’re not trying to learn new things. You’re trying to be combative and difficult. Tis the season.

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degggendorf t1_j0wipp6 wrote

...do you have me confused for someone else? My only participation here was to ask about the religious vs. ethnic symbolism of a menorah when you jumped down my throat.

> You’re trying to be combative and difficult.

Ironic, coming from the person deriding me for asking a question.

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MrSneaki t1_j0yxj3q wrote

I was wondering right there with you, in what I was able to identify as a clearly honest interest in learning.

I guess I know that being consistently targeted will jade a person, so I understand why they might not have seen the same good-faith interest in your comment that I did, at least not right away... but their quick and confident condemnation of your participation, even after you expressed that you weren't being combative, still left a nasty taste in my mouth.

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degggendorf t1_j0yxwlv wrote

Yeah I am still really baffled by that reaction.

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MrSneaki t1_j0yyi56 wrote

In any case, don't take it personally. It definitely wasn't because of anything you yourself have done or said.

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Rogue-Island-Pirate OP t1_j0zulj7 wrote

"Interestingly, even in the United States, where religious freedom is touted as one of the proudest achievements, the concept of she’at ha-d’khak [a time of danger] has been tested, though not in the traditional manner of taking Hanukkah displays inside during times of danger. One modern example: In Billings, Montana, in 1993, a small boy placed a Hanukkah decoration in his bedroom window, only to have it destroyed when a rock shattered the window. In reaction to what was likely vandalism by members of an Aryan group, a campaign was started to have both Jews and non-Jews (the clear majority in Billings) decorate their windows with a hanukkiyah [Hanukkah lamp, also known as a menorah] or with a picture of one. Ten thousand people joined in this campaign, and while several windows were still smashed, this town became quite an inspiration to many who appreciated its courage in the face of religious hatred and intolerance."

From: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/public-displays-of-hanukkiyot/

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MrSneaki t1_j103poh wrote

Really cool story!!

That said, I'm not sure what it has to do with my and the other user's earnestly wondering about whether the menorah is either an ethnic or religious Jewish symbol (or both)

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Rogue-Island-Pirate OP t1_j10ii1c wrote

I hope the source I shared with you provides a good start to answering your question.

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MrSneaki t1_j10n55y wrote

Thanks - I didn't initially follow the link, and only read the blurb you quoted in the comment. I think I now understand a little better the history of the practice, at least!

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degggendorf t1_j15exzb wrote

I just saw your comment...that is exactly what I was hoping to learn about, especially here:

> The court ruled against the crèche but allowed the displaying of a hanukkiyah along with a Christmas tree, since the court perceived these to be secular symbols of religious holidays and therefore not an endorsement of any particular religious belief.

I didn't realize that the hanukkiyah was just as secularized as a christmas tree; thank you!

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impact4 t1_j0uwyvr wrote

By Nazi POS I'm talking about the white supremacists who passed pamphlets around neighborhoods in Warwick, check the context of my statement.

I'm not even going to debate the merit of using the term genocidal with someone so obviously lacking in reading comprehension skills and so prone to knee jerk reactions and slinging insults.

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thegilgulofbarkokhba t1_j0v1cy7 wrote

Knee jerk reactions? Jews asked to color in a little menorah and for people to put it in their windows for solidarity and you went into convulsions bitching about Jews.

>I'm not even going to debate the merit of using the term genocidal

You can't justify your using the term, because it's just a lie.

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Killjoy4eva t1_j0vfeli wrote

Removed: Please remember to keep it civil. You can make you point without calling people idiots and telling them to 'cry more'.

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AdministrativeBus957 t1_j0vfsig wrote

The commenter is actively denying apartheid and human rights abuses but yeah I guess “idiot” really does it. The comment thread in a nutshell.

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RhodeIsland-ModTeam t1_j0wchr6 wrote

Your Post was removed because it violates rule 2: Civility. Personal insults will not be tolerated in this sub.

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