What's going on in Towson?

Submitted by scartonbot t3_110wadc in baltimore

So my daughter who goes to TSU tonight called to tell me that there'd been a shooting at 7 West, a restaurant on Chesapeake Ave.. I wasn't able to find anything about it in the news yet, but I did find a story about a guy being shot on the circle and 3 women being raped recently. Does anyone know anything about the restaurant shooting on Chesapeake tonight or, in general, WTF is going on in Towson.

ps. if it's relevant, I've been a Baltimore city resident for more than 15 years and am definitely not in the "OMG Baltimore is so dangerous!" camp. I'm just wondering why all of a sudden Towson seems to be such a shitshow. I'd also like to know what's going on tonight (2/12 around 8:30pm).

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DfcukinLite t1_j8bq7h2 wrote

This isn’t new for Towson. Every couple of years things get shooty in the mall parking garage, fights breakout uptown at the bars, there’s several colleges in the area and unfortunately people get sexually assaulted, some guy from NJ goes off and murders his family in a hotel room because he loses his job and can’t afford them anymore while visiting his daughter at Loyola … (this actually happened in ‘08), or white supremacist want a recognized club, so they can perform vigilante justice on black dudes around campus …I graduated from TU in 2011

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sllewgh t1_j8bz93g wrote

Did you ever hear the end of the White Student Union story and where Matt Heimbach ended up after getting kicked off campus? It's a good one...

Tl:Dr the white supremacist shithead group he was in fell apart after he had an affair with the group leader's wife.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8c0i5b wrote

Oh, you bet I’ve kept up with the misadventures of that POS trash-rabbit, Matt Heimbach. I read this back when it happened. My buddy that sent it to me, we both had the pleasure of having class with Matt prior to him trying to trying to start his mediocre white supremacy kids club.

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sllewgh t1_j8c2ppm wrote

Just making sure! Everyone deserves the joy of knowing that piece of shit experienced some cause and effect.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8c3ptw wrote

He’s in jail now. So he gets his just desserts

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jabbadarth t1_j8d69jz wrote

Is he in jail now? Everything I saw showed he got out in 2018. Was he arrested for something else?

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DfcukinLite t1_j8do3vd wrote

It was posted on here months ago. He was involved in some other stupid white supremacy stuff. I’ll search for it

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capfedhill t1_j8dhbjb wrote

>guy from NJ goes off and murders his family in a hotel room because he loses his job and can’t afford them anymore while visiting his daughter at Loyola

Damn, just looked this one up. What a fucked up story. Why not just kill yourself? Why kill your whole family for your own fuckup? What a scumbag.

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_Alvin_Row_ t1_j8du75c wrote

She was my year at Loyola, that was a rough day.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8e8pua wrote

I had mutual friends with her as well from my high school that were the same year at Loyola.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8dnv88 wrote

People born with money don’t know how to live without it.

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OwsleysApples t1_j8g4390 wrote

No idea how I missed this one, that family is from my hometown. Fairly small town on LI where everyone kinda knows each other. Granted I was gone in 09 but still connected.

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seniorknowitall88 t1_j8c3m49 wrote

My parents' take: that's what happens when you allow public transit.

Reality: All people struggle and Towson is a fairly central county seat. Lots of people who have problems travel through that town every day.

Same could be said of Cockeysville, Bel Air, and Owings Mills.

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halfpintNatty t1_j8cjyvj wrote

Omg…. Your parents… 🤪🤣

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Fadedcamo t1_j8ddyk8 wrote

Pretty standard for NIMYBers. My sister said my house was sketch because a bus stop was nearby.

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Scrilla_Gorilla_ t1_j8izj1d wrote

Edit: Misread your comment as your sister lives next to the bus stop. Do you not experience any of the issues I listed below?

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Do you live next to a bus stop? I do. And while I understand the necessity of public transportation your sister is not wrong. The liter is one thing, I can blame that on them never emptying the cans. But you wouldn't need a map to follow the path of people from the bus stop, to the corner where the trappers work, to the alley where everyone blasts off. And while I understand the bus is not the root problem, that doesn't change the fact that they do invite an element of sketchiness. It's easy to call someone a NIMBY when you aren't rustling sleeping zombies off your stoop.

This was a reply to that specific comment, not an indictment on bus stops in Towson or public transportation in general.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8dtg3a wrote

There’s ZERO public transportation in Bel Air, let alone HarCo and they intend on keeping it that way.

They have a tiny county commuter bus system but it’s not used and goes nowhere for importance. There’s a MARC train stop in Aberdeen tho. The same cannot be said for Bel Air as the others.

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gaiusjuliusweezer t1_j8efs1x wrote

It’s ridiculous because ridership is down and a third of the buses don’t show up. If anything, this correlates with a massive reduction in public transportation access

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keenerperkins t1_j8iul56 wrote

I have always loved the take that public transit is a reliable "getaway" car lol.

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Thin_Bug_6405 t1_j8d1arv wrote

I went to Towson in 2016. My apartment was robbed at gunpoint (they put a gun to my roommates head) thankfully they just took her card and left. This was in Donnybrook at 7:30 on a Monday the sun hadn’t even gone down yet. Tell your daughter to always lock her doors even in the middle of the day.

Btw my mom had to rage call the school to send out an email notifying the students of the incident. Turns out that same guy had done the same thing to a girl walking home from class. But Towson doesn’t like to take accountability for anything like that. I loved my time at Towson. But safety isn’t their top priority. When I got cited off campus for a fake ID (hehehe), they were sure to fine me as well because I “represented the school” but were silent when my apartment got robbed.

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7h33v1l7w1n t1_j8d5gpp wrote

Damn I lived in Donnybrook for a couple years around the same time and never felt unsafe, even though I knew it had a long-standing reputation. That’s wild

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Thin_Bug_6405 t1_j8d8o88 wrote

Don’t get me wrong I had a great time living there besides that incident. Just be aware of your surroundings and lock the doors!

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jtbis t1_j8biv01 wrote

Shooting @ Washington and Chesapeake. Suspect on the loose.

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Aol_awaymessage t1_j8blxmq wrote

It hasn’t been called TSU since 1997. It’s just Towson University now

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ogforcebewithyou t1_j8dndim wrote

Why do they sell TSU sweatshirts?

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clebo99 t1_j8dpz0r wrote

That was something they did recently for like the 25th anniversary or something. It was TSU when I went there as well.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8dq515 wrote

They don’t. Not any official ones at least. You’ll find nothing in TU school stores with TSU on it.

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fredblockburn t1_j8bh23y wrote

If you follow the Facebook page “Baltimore county breaking news” they posted about the shooting at 7 west 50 Ish minutes ago.

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pittsmasterplan t1_j8dan6x wrote

Large volume of unsuspecting people who move here from places without crime.

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lightofthehalfmoon t1_j8e37q4 wrote

Towson has also really become a small city. I grew up in Towson and went to high-school and university there. It was a sleepy little town. It has continuously grown over the last three decades. TU really needs to step up its policing of the area. You can't make Towson a destination and keep adding students and "luxury" housing and keep acting like nothing criminal/violent is going to happen.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8e9fot wrote

Absolutely this. TU and Towson town proper have both increased considerably over the last 20 years. It’s getting more dense. It’s like Baltimore’s “Bethesda” if it had a flagship regional university. It’s gotten more urban and walkable and they added that circular system recently.

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trulythehardseltzer t1_j8f1d9s wrote

policing and cops don't reduce crime — they only show up after the crimes have happened

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TerranceBaggz t1_j8bq2dk wrote

It’s a densely populated area. The more dense a population the more propensity for crime?

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physicallyatherapist t1_j8d74u6 wrote

Not necessarily. If that was the case then NYC would have the highest crime

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jdl12358 t1_j8dt64a wrote

Yes, New York City has a low crime rate, but things similar to this spree of crime happen pretty consistently in high density areas of the city like Times Square. No it's not a dangerous area or neighborhood or city imo, but I bet there's a pretty violent crime happening in the vicinity of Times Square most nights because so many people move through it. Towson also has a low rate of crimes, but things like this will happen more here and not in places like Catonsville or Ellicott City because fewer people live/travel through there.

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physicallyatherapist t1_j8e3dmy wrote

OK but if you look at small cities with the highest crime rate, you won't see them on the density list I linked to below. My point was that there are other (and better) reasons for these things happening other than more people in an area

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judeiscariot t1_j8d9wl6 wrote

NYC is rather an exception than the rule.

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clebo99 t1_j8dqa52 wrote

NYC did things that worked but some would say went over the line. Stop and frisk for example. Now, you need too much money to live in NYC (well, in Manhattan anyway) so crime is much lower. But back in the 70s-80s-early 90s it was pretty bad.

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judeiscariot t1_j8dsrdc wrote

Exactly. They went overboard with policing to get the results they got. If they hadn't then they'd be like other cities with similar population density.

The person who I responded to also used SF as an example, which went down a similar route and also costs too much, similarly.

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clebo99 t1_j8dzc12 wrote

So the ethical question that everyone should ask themselves is was it worth it? I think a lot of people would say yes. Others would say that is targeted certain groups (which may or may not be true...I honestly don't know). What I do know is that people who live in cities (and I'm one of them living here right in the middle of Baltimore City) is that I want crime to be lowered. "Asking nicely" for people not to commit crimes hasn't seemed to have worked.

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physicallyatherapist t1_j8ddm9u wrote

I just think there's probably more to it than than that. Because, again, if it was the case then NYC, Boston, San Francisco, and Miami would all have the highest crime rates

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density

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judeiscariot t1_j8ddqct wrote

That's great that you feel that way. But nobody said it's a 1-to-1 or that there isn't more to it. But population density is a good indicator of crime rate.

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physicallyatherapist t1_j8djehh wrote

My man, I'm really not trying to get into an argument on a Monday morning. My original comment was to someone I like following on here because they usually have good insight to things. I just thought it was a bad reason they gave that someone was shot because.. there were more people in an area.

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shaneknu t1_j8d9ymx wrote

In terms of absolute numbers, yes. Per capita, the more meaningful metric, it's often lower. There's a lot of people in Towson, most going about their day like normal people.

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DecayableBrick t1_j8dgncb wrote

Taipei and Tokyo are extremely dense and have some of the lowest crime rates in the entire world.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8duc4z wrote

You cannot compare asian cultures which are collective societies to American western individualism societies.

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DecayableBrick t1_j8dv9jg wrote

Ahh so it's a culture problem then?

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DfcukinLite t1_j8dvdzd wrote

Absolutely. We value guns and they value each other.

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DecayableBrick t1_j8f2d0n wrote

There are areas in the US that have very high rates of gun ownership and yet low crime. How do you account for those?

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DfcukinLite t1_j8fcrzg wrote

That doesn’t change the fact that we as society and culture value guns more than people. And our society it different than Asian ones

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Angdrambor t1_j8dn65v wrote

Those cities also have functioning police dpeartments, better education, and decent transit. We should try to do the same here.

But also, Baltimore has less than half a million people. We can't achieve the sorts of economies of scale that Tokyo can.

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Atticus8711 t1_j8e0nbi wrote

Towson is becoming the city. The shithole is expanding and Towson is the first place to go.

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DfcukinLite t1_j8eall1 wrote

Lol Hardly. There’s a real estate hierarchy around here and Towson is very high on the list. The “shitholes “ of Baltimore county are Dundalk, Essex, middle river, much of parkville, Overlea, Rosedale/“Kenwood”, Lansdowne, arbutus, etc, etc. Towson isn’t in the shithole category. It’s upper middle.

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Angdrambor t1_j8ea1vj wrote

The city actually has a downward population trend. Maybe Towson should take responsibility for their own mistakes, instead of trying to find someone to blame?

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S-Kunst t1_j8cp9xr wrote

With the current craze that every kid must go to college, means that there will be more of all sectors of society, including the nut jobs. Angry white males are not restricted to Dundalk, Essex or Middle River or working blue collar jobs.

The recent increase in violence in the pristine burbs was always going to surface, as it did during the years of busing.

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DecayableBrick t1_j8dgr8q wrote

Do we know the race of the alleged perp?

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nuapadprik t1_j8dol5o wrote

Angry white male?

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Angdrambor t1_j8ealfq wrote

oh wow, we're jumping straight to racial prejudice today, and then doubling down when it's noticed. Nice.

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