Cat_Hoarder0 t1_isaaqgu wrote
>Reeves reviews the political discourse that’s poisoned our society the past several years. The left has vilified and turned their backs on men, and mistakenly and stupidly treated all forms of masculinity as “toxic”.
This right here is enough to tell me that this book isn't worth reading, seeing as how the author doesn't understand what toxic masculinity is.
Dawens OP t1_isaf385 wrote
Check out The Atlantic article by Michael Salter discussing the term “toxic masculinity” and how it’s morphed overtime to become a catch-all phrase misused by both the left and right when discussing violence and sexism by men. The article aligns with the book.
Cat_Hoarder0 t1_isagjwi wrote
> The article aligns with the book.
So something else I shouldn't bother to read then. Especially from a guy who works with a foundation whose founder and president pushed the repressed memories and satanic panic nonsense.
wonderfulstoryteller t1_isajo85 wrote
You seem like someone who’s very open minded and welcoming to ideas that possibly oppose your current beliefs or what you think you know. Healthy sign of a growing and thinking person and just what we need in a divided country! Cheers!
Cat_Hoarder0 t1_isako7u wrote
I'm quite open minded, up until the point where I see someone making claims that aren't based in reality.
wonderfulstoryteller t1_isam4m4 wrote
How can you claim something to not be based on reality without even reading it? You refuse to read a book based on one line from another Redditor’s review of the book or a news article based on the actions of the president? Every writer and journalist of The Atlantic is invalid and wrong, and seemingly complicit and guilty by association? That’s pretty ridiculous, no? Doesn’t seem open minded at all. Cheers.
Cat_Hoarder0 t1_isamnue wrote
> How can you claim something to not be based on reality without even reading it?
I read the review; that was enough to determine the author wasn't arguing in good faith.
>news article based on the actions of the president?
I actually read the editorial piece that was suggested. The author is arguing based on a definition of toxic masculinity that dates back to the 80s, and not how it is used today.
> Every writer and journalist of The Atlantic is invalid and wrong, and seemingly complicit and guilty by association?
Nice strawman argument you have that. Why don't you actually argue against what I said?
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chrispd01 t1_isatmkl wrote
Well you are taking what someone has said about something someone has written and making some assumptions. I have listened to a long discussion with the author and I think you are maybe being unfairly dismissive.. you should give him a listen and the decide
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CrazyCatLady108 t1_isbw4ni wrote
Personal conduct
Please use a civil tone and assume good faith when entering a conversation.
RD__III t1_isajzfu wrote
>how the author doesn't understand what toxic masculinity is.
More so, you don't understand how it's being used erroneously. Things like "going to the gym" or "playing sports in school" are being labelled as toxic masculinity. It is important to understand that things can be masculine and not inherently bad, and that is a message many people don't understand.
Katerade44 t1_isbilyb wrote
No reasonable person, let alone the majority of the left, is claiming that those things are toxic. Stop with the overstatements.
pedestrianpinniped t1_isckrzn wrote
It doesn't need to be the majority to be a problem. Unreasonable minorities on both sides get all the spotlight thanks to social media algorithms and are thus affecting our kids. You are literally doing the "Not all men argument" here FFS, so blind.
Katerade44 t1_isckwha wrote
No, I am saying it isn't a real thing.
pedestrianpinniped t1_iscyf18 wrote
you got half a thread of people that beg to differ. Guess they are all liars an only your experiences are valid, my mistake.
Katerade44 t1_iscynlg wrote
No one but that one person is claiming that normal activities for any gender such as going to the gym are being labeled "toxic masculinity." That is the claim that I am saying is absurd and is not happening.
pedestrianpinniped t1_isdckoh wrote
Literally all of society assumes gym bros are toxic, it's basically a meme at this point.
Katerade44 t1_isdhgdw wrote
There is a difference between going to the gym and being a "gym bro." Again, so long as the person isn't actually displaying toxic masculinity by other behaviors, then no one gives a f*** if they frequent the gym.
pedestrianpinniped t1_isdph5n wrote
Yeah no one ever stereotypes they always wait to consider the totality of a persons behavior how silly of me.
Katerade44 t1_isdpxw2 wrote
There are stereotypes about literally every group of people. Are you seriously making the argument that anyone truly thinks that just going to the gym makes anyone a sexist a-hole? C'mon now.
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tangomusket t1_iscggfj wrote
It's true.
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