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CardboardJ t1_ivqn9rt wrote

Reply to comment by Chroderos in [OC] Tech Layoffs in 2022 so far, percentage of total workforce by PieChartPirate

Anecdotal evidence, but on LinkedIn senior dev jobs still seem to be posted for a week with only 4-5 applicants, while project/product/engineering manager positions seem to get 50 in the first hour.

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Tactical45 t1_ivqvqjb wrote

The latter have much broader and vague skill set requirements and thus attract much more unqualified applicants.

If a senior Eng role requires some very specific skills (eg programming language X), and if you don't meet those you know there is likely no point even trying.

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PaperbackPirates t1_ivqw7jl wrote

I got 300 applications for an associate product manager position on LinkedIn. Maybe 12 of the applications were actually qualified … for an associate position.

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Tactical45 t1_ivrov26 wrote

Work as a PM - can confirm mismatch between what people think is required and what is actually required 😂

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streetvues t1_ivsrjdo wrote

What are the biggest misconceptions people have?

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AxelNotRose t1_ivt9bpe wrote

Not the person you asked but I find that good PMs are difficult to differentiate on paper vs. Poor or unqualified PMs due to the fact that what usually makes a PM stand out are their soft skills. Skills such as how to communicate, how to create relationships, how to find balance between being an ass to get shit done vs. Being understanding about potential delays, and so on. Soft skills are difficult to quantify on a written resume. Everyone can write "excellent communication skills". It's not quantifiable like knows this prpgramming language or this application suite or whatever. During the interview process, you have to ask SAR type questions to differentiate the good ones vs. The bad ones.

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ComposerOne t1_ivuz2fg wrote

I work with a lot of PMs. Our best PM , who just got poached for Google, was deeply technical. They were a data science lead previously. They also had fantastic soft skills (they weren’t a neck beard in a basement, almost sales level soft skills).

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AxelNotRose t1_ivv2sz4 wrote

Yeah, the tech skills a PM might have are a massive bonus to the function if they're PMing tech projects. They still need those soft-skills though. Without them, they end up drowning, especially in complex projects.

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Asterbuster t1_ivu4xxh wrote

Mmm, why people share 'knowledge' about topics they don't know much about. Reddit is fascinating.

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h737893 t1_ivtkhl6 wrote

bad pms need jobs too. If one identifies as a bad pm should they apply?

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R3lay0 t1_ivxee3l wrote

>bad pms need jobs too

Is this the UK conservative party's motto?

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Deadly_chef t1_ivu4gnf wrote

No. Fuck bad PMs, they can rot

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h737893 t1_ivvwh6y wrote

:( not everyone can be a star pm

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Deadly_chef t1_ivx1ct4 wrote

Change careers then, you get no sympathy from me

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h737893 t1_ivyoi6c wrote

Bad pms could have been good pms when they were younger and are now too old to change careers. :( (

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Mocker-Nicholas t1_ivtk006 wrote

I’ll rant a bit here and say it’s because PMs are people who want to work in the tech space, with tech people, with the tech lifestyle benefits, without the downside that is knowing how to do the technical stuff lol.

Disclaimer: I feel like I’ve worked some PMs with a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

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PaperbackPirates t1_ivtk90s wrote

Yeah, that is for sure it. Fwiw, I hate working with non-technical PMs lol

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Mocker-Nicholas t1_ivtlxon wrote

“I would like to work from home, show up at 9:00am, never have to talk to an end user, isolate myself from any non technical team in the organization, and also don’t want to learn any front end, back end, or dev ops, technologies”

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h737893 t1_ivtkmz1 wrote

What if your boss asked you to be promoted to pm. Would you accept?

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Mocker-Nicholas t1_ivtlmsb wrote

Depends on the money. I guess if the salary was higher I would consider it. But I just moved from a role that was more “coordination, planning, and meetings” to “actually doing the thing that needs to be done” because that’s where I see the value add from technical staff. If I wanted to go the PM route I could have, but chose not to because of my experience with them.

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[deleted] t1_ivrvk4w wrote

I keep hearing this as well. A huge amount of applicants are absolutely unrelated to the job.

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Zesty-Lem0n t1_ivsheno wrote

Lmao middle management rats scurrying after another do-nothing job.

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Alundra828 t1_ivtjah3 wrote

It makes sense.

WFH renders most managerial skills moot. Not to mention that the skills employed by managers are vague and non-standardized, and most have been internally promoted, so may not actually qualify elsewhere.

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