Orders delivered sized by subtotal and my earnings in 2022 [OC]Submitted by Altruistic_Olives t3_zdclt8 in dataisbeautiful
RentalGore t1_iz0vb6w wrote
It looks like you worked an average of 14 hours a day from the first chart. And it also seems like this could be the same across all seven days? Which works out to under $6 an hour?
If you take into account accelerated deprecation and wear and tear on your automobile, do you feel the delivery gig is still worth it?
Eswyft t1_iz12n7d wrote
Yea, these numbers are fucking appalling. Is this person in a developed nation? They must be right?
Like, this is absolutely fucking brutal. Even at his best, he said 20hr, dear god. Min wage is 15 in some places and is far less effort. And he has an average sub 10/hr for sure.
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I've stopped using these services, I always tipped 20% plus but the drivers were often brutal. I live on a street you cant turn left across, the app always accomadates for it. So many times these guys would ignore the app, couldnt turn left, and then just vanish. Uber is the same way, they often ignore the app, go by it, try to turn but do it on another road that doesn't get back to it, and they cancel.
I'm in vancouver, in the core of the city. Streets like this arent uncommon but I do find that 9/10 drivers i actually talk to travel in from the sub urbs to do this kinda work. Which means they are travelling to and from work for an hour plus.
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I had a guy working for me at 28/hr. He started doing uber, calls in sick the next day. Day after, im like what's up? He says, "I started uber and one ride from vancouver to chilliwack paid me 200!! So I'm quitting."
I told him that's all good, but he isnt getting that 200, that's what the guy paid. I tried to show him on the app, that he will still have to pay income tax, that was about a 160km trip, gas.
He was so happy though, said he was going to be rich. I wished him well, and off he went.
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It makes me wonder in general what people are thinking doing these jobs. The only way I see them working is if you're on a bike and you're also doing it as exercise and as a side job, although as a side job you'll get wrecked on taxes if you have any kind of decent job as well.
I don't see how the average driver/delivery person doesn't see how little they are earning.
Nnelg1990 t1_iz1q50f wrote
In Belgium there is the system of flexi-jobs where you don't have to pay taxes if you do it as a side job.
rectovaginalfistula t1_iz1ie39 wrote
This is why, in my city, the driver market (uber/doordash/etc) is almost entirely immigrants without great English. They're willing to bid super low on their labor for who knows what reason. Hard to get a better job? Don't understand the hidden costs?
Eswyft t1_iz1lgna wrote
I'm in Vancouver. There are tons of jobs at 25 hour with zero experience, yet people still do these jobs.
The guy i referenced was a refugee from somalia. He had been here awhile though. I wonder if there is a fundamental lack of knowledge about taxes and other hidden cost at play they may not be so large in other places. It might not cost so much to repair your etc maybe. Maybe taxes are lower
ar243 t1_iz12qi8 wrote
No offense to OP, it's awesome you were able to work so many hours a day, but I do not think this would be worth it.
Delivery jobs like this basically trade automotive equity for quick cash. You may get $25 today, but you'll sell your car for $25 less (or spend an extra $25 in maintenance, or fuel) when the time comes.
I'm not sure how the math works out though, it may be better or worse than I expect.
Eswyft t1_iz13jva wrote
The numbers are brutal, doing these types of jobs is not smart. Literally any other employment is a better option.
I can see some cases where the driver maybe have cognitive issues, or other things impeding their ability to work a regular job.
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If you take into account fuel, depreciation, repairs, your full hours worked. It's very bad.
RentalGore t1_iz131o0 wrote
Yeah, I’m with you. It just seems like a brutal job. Sure you may “be your own boss” (you’re not) - but after doing all the calcs, I don’t see how anyone doing these gig jobs made any money, let alone didn’t lose their shirts in gas, maintenance etc.
InsuranceToTheRescue t1_iz17lra wrote
Could be a lot more. The platform's insurance doesn't cover jack shit and people lie about doing it on their personal insurance because they think it disqualifies them. Then they get in a wreck, the company finds out it was for an order, and tells you to kick rocks.
Gimminy t1_iz1x4w1 wrote
So the guitarist in my kinda hobby band has been doing this for five years. I cannot understand why. The guy works well over 60 hours a week and can barely afford to pay rent or buy strings for his guitar, even. When we play at a club he misses out on almost a whole day’s pay because of load-in times and whatnot. And because he never has even two cents to rub together it is very stressful for him.
I have tried to explain that he could make more money literally working at McDonald’s, but he likes the “freedom” of gig driving work. What fucking freedom, Steven? You can’t even afford to join the rest of us for dinner or a concert, or buy fun things for your guitar setup, and you have to work almost every waking moment of every day? It honestly makes me crazy.
ar243 t1_iz20oqg wrote
I'm right there with you. I don't understand it either.
My best guess is that some people aren't money-driven. For example, a lot of people I went to school with got "useless" majors, and from time to time I would hear them make comments like "it's not about the money", or "I was born to do this". And in their heads, that all takes precedence over the almighty dollar.
And then real life hits them like a freight train, and they are suddenly $40k in student loan debt with a degree that makes no money.
The problem is that these are some of the same people that constantly complain about how little money they make.
I feel somewhat sorry for people like this, but it's also like "did you expect to make a livable wage in Santa Barbara with a Forestry degree, Kevin?".
Some people just don't plan ahead. Idk man.
ArmedPostalWorker t1_iz4bsfi wrote
You could say the same thing for all teachers. All of them are severely underpaid, scrutinized very closely, and had to complete at least 7 years of post secondary education. I have a lot of respect for them as they all know this going into their major, yet somehow there are teachers who are resentful of this fact, and a few who don't belong in the education system... Even though they knew it would be crummy pay and unpaid overtime hours.
ar243 t1_iz5zzws wrote
My girlfriend is a teacher and she also has this mentality. She complains about not being paid enough, barely being able to pay bills, not being able to afford eating out, etc.
She always knew the pay sucked, but "the job chose her".
I don't get it. Don't choose careers that can't afford the lifestyle you have. She got lucky because she met me and I could help, but what about everybody else?
MaxRoofer t1_iz2d9kq wrote
Not having to clock in at a certain time is big for some people. And then what’s worse, is getting not picked by your boss. This is even worse for someone like me, who thought Inwas doing a good job. I hated it when I was younger.
Have my own business now. Sort of miss the ease of an 8-5.
AftyOfTheUK t1_iz58wkz wrote
>I have tried to explain that he could make more money literally working at McDonald’s, but he likes the “freedom” of gig driving work.
This is what annoys me about people who attack these jobs. Some people just hate routine, drudgery, or having a boss who tells them what to do and when. They accept a lower wage for delivering things or people because they feel better about life than if they had a higher wage with someone shouting at them because their tie isn't straight, or they didn't scrub the pan hard enough, or they want to take 90 minutes off to watch the game in the middle of the day.
Society seems to have no problem with people saying "I'm going to quit my corporate job and become a baker because even though it only pays one third as much, I feel better doing it" yet the second somebody decides to make a similar choice but going to the gig economy, suddenly it's seen as a problem.
Many of these people couldn't get a "regular" job so having their gig economy job may be better for them than not having it, and many more of them prefer the flexibility and conditions of the gig economy job. Everyone's different.
Gimminy t1_iz5cpij wrote
Cool. Here’s the difference. The gig economy is exploitative, he is literally being abused. He has no health insurance, no benefits, is applying no real skill of any kind, and he ends up making roughly six dollars an hour. That is one third of minimum wage where I am at. This necessitates that he works insane hours without any forward progress in his life. It is difficult to watch. The freedom is an illusion.
I would love it if he were to work at a bakery, walk dogs, or became yoga a instructor and taught a couple lessons at various studios as a contractor. At least then he would be learning a skill (not to mention he would be making at least three times as much per hour than he does currently).
I get it that some people just can’t handle normal employment. But there are so many other options that are both fulfilling and provide for the basic necessities of life, even outside the traditional employment context. The gig economy is shit and needs to be regulated. I refuse to use any of them.
AftyOfTheUK t1_iz5h141 wrote
>The gig economy is exploitative, he is literally being abused.
That's a strong statement. Got any proof of abuse? Some people like the gig economy because of the flexibility of hours, are they choosing to be abused?
>He has no health insurance, no benefits
Most contractors don't, either.
>is applying no real skill of any kind
Neither are most people working in retail.
>That is one third of minimum wage where I am at.
Yet he chooses to do it, instead of getting a minimum wage job.
>I would love it if he were to work at a bakery, walk dogs, or became yoga a instructor and taught a couple lessons at various studios as a contractor.
Other than (possibly) the bakery, none of those jobs would give him health insurance, or any benefits. Walking dogs is applying no real skill of any kind. Same for yoga instructor, I would argue.
>I get it that some people just can’t handle normal employment.
Exactly. When I was younger, the people who couldn't handle normal employment just didn't have any income of their own. They had no job, and were just a burden on those people around them, or on society. Now many of those people can work (long hours) and make enough money to scrape by. That's an improvement.
Kinetic_Symphony t1_iz45djj wrote
It's extremely profitable if you ride on a motorcycle. Terrible deal in a car.
ar243 t1_iz60dvu wrote
Ehhh I'm not so sure. I've had three motorcycles and so far each of them have proven to be more expensive than I originally anticipated. But I haven't seen the math so maybe it is profitable.
But profits aside, motorcycle delivery driver sounds like a really fun job
Kinetic_Symphony t1_iz60y0u wrote
What made them more expensive? I don't have much experience riding myself, only have used the Honda rebel 1100 with a DCT. Seems to be low maintenance and incredibly cheap on fuel. (Over 50 MPG)
And yeah it does sound fun lol
ar243 t1_iz624wy wrote
Cost of regular maintenance and tire replacements is much higher than a car. Chain, oil, tires, all these things have to be replaced after a while.
Cost of gear is super high too. I wouldn't be surprised seeing gear price tags with four digits.
Plus, motorcycles don't last as long as cars. A motorcycle with 30,000 miles is considered ancient, whereas that's still decently new for a car. So the amount you can drive before needing a new one is a lot shorter.
A lot of these costs aren't seen right away or aren't seen in the MSRP, which gives the illusion that bikes are wayyyy cheaper than cars.
Kinetic_Symphony t1_iz62hvv wrote
Interesting, maybe you're riding different motorcycles. The Honda Rebel 1100 is made exceptionally well, with good maintenance it can easily reach six figure miles before any major issues arise.
Definitely not free, but overall, especially for the very low upfront cost, it's massively cheaper relative to a car.
ar243 t1_iz685y5 wrote
Yeah for sure. Personally my 2018 GSXR 600 is MUCH cheaper than my 2012 Audi A6, which has cost me more in maintenance in 4 years than the original price I bought the car for.
ar243 t1_iz629ol wrote
Also how do you like the DCT? They seem like a super cool addition to any bike, but I've never gotten a chance to ride one with it
Kinetic_Symphony t1_iz63vu1 wrote
It's so smooth when in sport mode (there's custom user modes too so you can manually choose torque, speed, engine breaking).
Hard to imagine going back to non-DCT. Especially in city riding.
ar243 t1_iz68cyz wrote
That's awesome. I'm terrible at shifting, so a DCT would be an amazing upgrade for me.
Kinetic_Symphony t1_iz68orz wrote
It's night and day difference. I know some people say eventually shifting and riding the clutch becomes second nature, and while it is easier overtime it never actually feels perfectly seamless to me.
DCT is a game-changer. Always feels pleasant to ride now, never a fear of stalling at a light lmao.
Altruistic_Olives OP t1_iz2dhye wrote
This is before prop 22 benefits are taken into account. After that it’s about 32k
And work may be spread out trough out the day because of low demand. I try to fill in the gaps doing anything that could be productive or even time with gf so that’s a plus Being able to work in any city is also pretty nice just gotta be in the right places to make enough money consistently
It has been fun although admittedly the pay could be better
RentalGore t1_iz2dnh1 wrote
So how many actually hours did you work?
And about how many miles did you drive?
Altruistic_Olives OP t1_iz2emt3 wrote
I’m not sure about the hours. Some days were a lot better than others. Making $100 dls in 3 hours or 5 Depends on the city you’re in. San Diego has been the best for me overall
I got about 89k on a 2021 I got at 10 miles But I’ve also done plenty of driving on my own
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