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Who brings a gun to a knife fight?

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I’m curious if we find out the time between him being tased by one officer and being shot by the other. Because if it was simultaneous clearly both were not on the same page about the use of lethal force.

Someone who doesn't want to die in a knife fight, obviously.

Knives are pretty lethal and sometimes Less treatable than a gunshot wound. One would hope that they tried to diffuse / use less lethal means at first. Seems like they didn’t do that but there is not a lot of info yet available either.

Yeah a stab from a knife isn't necessarily gonna be as nice and neat as a bullet hole.

I'm sure it'll be revealed at some point. But I'd assume within 2 minutes....

Cops. Every single time.

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Police escalated a mental health crisis in two minutes.

ABOLISH

Yeah I know. That’s why I said they weren’t on the same page because one chose lethal force by shooting the kid and the other didn’t

>The officers were wearing body cameras

Well then no point speculating just waiting until those are released, simple enough

Then the cop goes home , has a nice dinner with his family and talks about how he got to kill a 17 year old today.

The only reason you think bullet holes are nice and neat is Hollywood.

Just shoot them in the leg /s

Do you need a napkin for the schmutz on your nose, or do you like the way it smells?

I’m not sure people understand sarcasm, the internet is certainly a place where humans seem to want to act out their more dickhead-like proclivities.

Either that, or they’re the type of people who wax poetic about how our brave officers and troopers risk their lives every day, to keep us safe. How dare that be critiqued, right? Except we don’t expect them to risk getting cut to take down a SEVENTEEN year old kid.

Seventeen. Grown men, cops, who have absolutely no excuse not to be capable ragdolling this kid and taking him to jail, just ended his life before it even started…because they felt threatened? I just think that’s a bit pathetic, myself. They’re much better suited for complicating the lives of working people, going about their day over stickers and tail lights I guess.

Im not saying that police don’t serve a purpose. But, the vast, vast majority of people in jails and prisons are:

a.) Adults selling drugs to other adults who want to buy them and take them for personal use.

b.) People driving on suspended licenses.

That’s almost everyone locked up…maybe one actual person who shouldn’t be among other people in a thousand. I just think the role of law enforcement, and laws in general need to be re-evaluated.

And schmutz lol

So, you were being sarcastic?

They're not nice and neat, there's just a lot more analog movement of a knifes blade than a bullet's trajectory. Of course depending on the kind of ammo or the number of shots bullet wounds can be wide and gaping, or completely destructive.

Naw, it's reddit and it's an article about cops. People have already made up their minds.

Well don't want people to speculate then release the tapes.

Lucky wife won't have to take a beating today if the cop is one of the 40 percenters.

Men with guns and uniforms and minimum training showing up escalates a mental health crisis.

exit hole larger than your fist. Looks like hamburger. Big, bloody mess.

That's a bit dramatic

Maybe some actual training? Or maybe PDs stop hiring cops straight out of the military as an incentive, as if it's the same job?

Concord for example:

"Four years of active duty military experience is one of the ways to satisfy our minimum requirements for the police officer position." - I personally think that's horseshit. This shouldn't be a thing. The two don't translate.

1. You make it sound like the easiest job in the world. They're always hiring (can't find anyone to do the job). Sign up today. Show us all how it's done.
2. I don't know the specifics here. The 17 year old could have been a 6 foot, 200 lb + male. The police officer could have been 5 foot, 100 lb female. Identity politics hires gives everyone the good feelz, but then there are real life issues. It's one thing with a desk job, and another for this kind of work.. You hire someone sans ability to do the job and then they can't do their job.

Yeah. I think even the most liberal places that "Defund(ed) The Police" have given up on it now. Violent crime skyrocket. Who woulda thunk it?

This guy maths

Rather than screaming ACAB why don’t you clowns wait for the body cam footage to make an assessment as to whether or not they actually did something wrong?

Okay

I mean, is it not wrong to kill kids?

There was no correlation between reducing police budget and violent crime. Violent crime went up everywhere the year defunding the police was tried for unrelated reasons.

Generally speaking, I'd say sarcasm seems like a more likely situation than that they sincerely believe killing a kid in distress makes cops the "best of the best".

But then again, this is a NH sub.

What's the holdup? The public should have access to this information within like 48 hours of a shooting.

The light of day is the strongest disinfectant.

That’s the thing. The cops will release this stuff immediately when it shows they were in the right. When they drag their feet releasing it though… let’s see how this plays out I guess.

Who defunded the police? And now you're telling me there's a study? Or you're just making everything up?

They actually did do something wrong though. A kid is dead.

Maybe because people don’t feel cops should receive the benefit of the doubt? Seems like cops earned that lack of trust on their own merit.

LOL.

Rip Van Winkle slept for 2 decades so I guess you could have been asleep for 2 years

17 is not a kid. And if said kid is threatening someone’s life then that is a horrific and difficult decision to be made in a split second.

That doesn’t mean they did anything wrong. If a 17 year old is threatening someone’s life then lethal force is both justified and necessary to prevent further injury or death. It’s a horrific thing, but let’s not act like they just showed up and murdered some kid. They had a knife and in the words of the mother, was “in a rage”.

Based on what exactly?

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So no cities that defunded the police? Atlest you admit it just a fairytail.

Don’t call the police! Flat out murderers.

All good points.

I don’t think I said anything about the job being easy. Just that if you look at it from a distance, the majority of police work done in our society serves the purpose of creating criminals out of harmless people more so than it does to deal with situations like this one. And when these things happen, there’s training issues.

I’m also not saying it’s the fault of the actual officers, themselves. More so that the justice system and the laws it enforces exists primarily to fill the State’s coffers, rather than represent the interests of the People it “serves.”

Pedo alert

This is a great opportunity to remind people of the new 988 number that connects folks in mental health crises to mental health services. I’m not sure with the presence of a knife if the police presence could have been entirely avoidable, but at least looping in crisis services may have offered a less lethal response.

Good riddance

You picked up on that, too?

What are you talking about? There was a story just a couple weeks ago about a city that diverted police funds to an unarmed mental health/social work team that had successfully handled several hundred calls without violence, and cheaper than the cops could do it.

Name a single state that defunded the police. We'll wait.

They’re just spewing bullshit that backs the opinions they formed while watching Fox News and fearing brown people.

Losers

That's some weak trolling bud.

Cities have, since they fund the police:

>New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore and a dozen other cities have all also reduced police spending.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community

Gotta love the lack of responses just downvotes.

Tell me you're part of the problem without telling me you're part of the problem.

There are common sense things we could do to improve policing and criminal justice in this country. Things we could easily afford. We won't accomplish any of it because we the people are turned against each other by a media and political elite that laughs and sips champagne while we struggle.

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I try not to be too judgmental

The exit wound isnt so nice and neat. Especially if using defense rounds.

…and some have not a clue of what empathy looks like. Their only job is to protect themselves.

I went to sailing camp with this kid a few years ago. Such a quiet kid. Shame what happened

“Cops”, the monolith.

There are few things more dangerous than a little man with a badge and a gun.

This is a very rare occasion… I agree with you.

This a s.t.a.l.k.e.r reference? I've only played anomaly lol

"Brown people" thats a pretty racist way to put that

This guy kinda gets it youre alright in my reddit book

Femoral artery go brrrrr

No such thing as a fair fight dont be a chump

I mean i did a little tldr on this but yes they are grown men and physically capable of taking this kid down especially if they communicate well and use distractions but all it really takes is one lucky shot with the knife for him to kill at least one of them. Then what? either way someone dies? There more than likely was a better option to be chosen it just clearly wasnt.

Not to be antagonistic, or anything. That other guy brought up the point of “Well it could have been a big ole 17 year old and it might have been a little ole lady who shot him dead” Maybe, but the report I read stated that the perp was tasered by one officer, then shot by another.

I’ll lay it down right here, the NH State Troopers are badasses. How many of them, strapped and armored up do you think came out of that Trooper van in the picture? Let alone every on duty town cop and possibly (maybe) Sheriff in the area.

But yes, good point. A cop doesn’t deserve to die over some kid that someone called upon said cops. But, said cops have taken on theoretical responsibilities to “protect and serve.”

On a side note, knives are much more threatening psychologically, than they are in practicality. Especially with Kevlar, and a gaggle of mutually motivated participants against it.

Id argue the knife statement a bit but thats not what id say is the root of the discussion. Things im curious about is the previous mental health calls that came out in the news and what was the cause/outcome and the toxicology report just for the small chance this teenager was under the influence of a substances capable of allowing him to push through a taser

Ill also add im not exactly pro cop but i will absolutely admit its an extremely stressful and nuanced job that often in the public eye has no right answers

Exactly stop outsourcing murder just drop that sumbitch yourself

Not when theyre in the womb which is why i also support really late term abortions hell 204 months is fine by me

Lmao whoooooosh

I think if the cops are called, and some kids running around with a knife, there’s definitely drugs involved.

My only problem with nuance being gifted to law enforcement, is that nuance is not gifted to law breakers in reciprocation.

As for the knife thing, grappling with someone who has a weapon isn’t a whole lot different from grappling with someone who doesn’t. If you’re close to the person and have an underhook on the armed arm, there’s not a lot of leverage for them to kill you with. Definitely hurt you, but then again, there’s a bunch of other guys around you to help out…or how about this: PCP may be able to beat a taser, but not the physics of non-lethal projectile weapons, which exist.

Ehhh i understand that to a degree on the lawbreakers end but i think i mostly understand your sentiment. As far as the knife id say that also very much depends on the knife and your argument involving a bordering required circumstance of getting the underhook theres not much stopping you from catching a blade to the throat or another vital area

True, especially if the person is very tall. But still, rubber bullets. For fucks sake, they knew where they were going, and for what purpose. If someone were to tell me that there’s not a gas that’s been devolved that they could just launch in the window and go fetch him up, I would be flabbergasted.

Maybe they will refuse to release the bodycam like the Paul Pelosi case.

Ironic (& personally I find it hilarious). If you spent any time outside of the echo chamber then you'd know what I'm talking about.

If you believe it then you can live in a place that has abolished the police. I'm not going to. Enjoy.

>Atlest you admit it just a fairytail.

Yeah. Except that never happened. -So not only can't you see current events, you are seeing things that aren't real. That's an issue. Unless you want to get away from the mind control cult, I don't see much use in trying to give you helpful info.

LOL. -As if someone here claimed a whole state defunded the police.

Exactly but the down side is if thongs go to court any juries might have preconceived notions based on what they've seen or heard.

Why would you say this? I knew him, and he was a good kid who struggled with mental health issues that were not his fault. His parents were loving and supportive and spent so much time trying to help him. This was a sad situation, and a family lost their son.

I will say that I knew him and he didn't weigh more than 140 lbs. The "perp" wasn't some big bad ass

There were no drugs involved. I know this for a fact.

I think you misunderstand the direction of my comment.

I apologize then.

No need. I think I said a bunch of stuff on this thread that was downvoted to the point where it’s out of view. But thats not really important.

You are, however, in a unique position to put a truth out there that nobody else will otherwise hear.