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SgtGirthquake t1_j61y2h6 wrote
Good
yuckyd t1_j61yx5c wrote
Any time a piece of land is saved from development in jersey we all get an hour of traffic free commute a year.
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GoodLt t1_j6265b9 wrote
Um, no. The cost of housing is high for many reasons, among them the desirability of living in NJ (yes, that's a thing). Housing supply isn't the issue - the supply of affordable housing is the issue. Ruining an open space and building yet another glob job of high-priced housing isn't going to do a damned thing for the prices of housing in the state.
tehbored t1_j626pdn wrote
These were single family homes. Only a few dozen units, would have had negligible impact. What we need is more medium and high density construction.
tehbored t1_j626u46 wrote
Housing supply is absolutely the issue. NJ, like many states, has a massive undersupply. But more single family homes will not help significantly. What we need is more medium and high density construction. Even if the new units are all market rate, prices will still decline, but it needs to be a lot of units.
beachmedic23 t1_j627g9s wrote
Theres plenty of property in our cities we can build on before we need to cut down more woods and encroach on the pine Barrens
jlichyen t1_j62gwj5 wrote
If you need to build more homes, build them on the parking lots near the NJT stations.
Shishkebarbarian t1_j62iek9 wrote
County buys land to avoid extra housing to meet demand and keep home prices high. every coin has two sides. i'm all for preserving woods and home prices though, lol
metaTaco t1_j62u2c4 wrote
New Jersey really needs to develop it's necrotic urban centers.
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Redplushie t1_j62yiqq wrote
Thank god. Ocean Township already lost the land by Joe Palaia to some bumfuck whatever they're building
no_brain_st t1_j6308xg wrote
Nimby
DarwinZDF42 t1_j6359kb wrote
WhY dO hOuSeS iN nJ cOsT sO mUcH?
This is why. Let people more and they won’t.
DarwinZDF42 t1_j635cy2 wrote
You’re completely correct.
You can prevent home construction, or it can be affordable to live here. Can’t do both.
DarwinZDF42 t1_j635fnx wrote
So you’re all for it when some town proposes a 5-over-1 in their downtown? Even if it’s mostly 1-2 story buildings currently?
DarwinZDF42 t1_j635gqf wrote
Co-sign. Build all the homes.
DarwinZDF42 t1_j635i45 wrote
The cost of housing in NJ is high because there’s a shortage and we don’t build nearly enough of it.
Beanmybag112 t1_j635iqa wrote
GOOD!!
DarwinZDF42 t1_j635ocw wrote
Okay so like what about, for example, Red Bank then? Everyone here is cool with Red Bank putting up a bunch of mid-rises in their downtown, right? Nobody’s opposing that? Bc the consistent position here would be loading up every Main Street and downtown with mid-rise mixed use. But all I see is blanket opposition to everything.
manningthehelm t1_j635ppd wrote
This was my initial thought too, but in reality there are plenty of closed malls with empty parking lots that could be developed first.
eeelisabeth t1_j63af34 wrote
Every few miles I see new houses and apartments being built. None of which I, or other working class people, can afford. It’s always poorly made, shoddy “luxury” townhomes that are wildly unaffordable to average people and just create more traffic and crowding. No more development, I say.
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specialgravity t1_j63bmf8 wrote
It works both ways. The more developments -> the more families that more in -> higher BOE costs -> higher taxes.
Natejersey t1_j63bq5w wrote
Was supposed to be a stop n shop I think. Town residents voted against it to save the open space. the township decided it was ok to build there anyway, no stop n shop but a bunch of other crappy establishments.
specialgravity t1_j63bxvg wrote
More developments -> more families -> more kids -> higher school costs -> higher taxes. Pick your poison.
Natejersey t1_j63c2yw wrote
Don’t forget all of the gated 55+ communities.
smokepants t1_j63cskk wrote
ITT people who believe in trickle down housing will finally work.
edit: this was directed at the YIMBY cultists in the thread
MonkeySherm t1_j63e98k wrote
Even better - turn those back into woods too.
ManchuDemon t1_j63g5ff wrote
Ocean county. Saved you a click.
trixiewutang t1_j63gan7 wrote
That traffic on 35 is going to be absolutely insane. Wawa, chik fil a, a hotel and “luxury apartments” all in one subdivision outside of the most cop-dense intersection for the whole town.
BF_2 t1_j63gh3a wrote
I've resolved never to shop at any of those stores. I won't support the beneficiaries of such development. I don't believe this will make any difference, mind you, it's just an ethics thing.
Shishkebarbarian t1_j63ml8w wrote
In that case why would a developer clear a forest (way, way, way more expensive) vs a dead mall. But i suppose they're thinking ahead. Or maybe they really are doing it for nature preservation, in your cynical and jaded to believe its that way though. Loval Govts don't do this, budgets are too limited.
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No_Variation_6639 t1_j63mx16 wrote
Is that when you believe that more housing means lower prices?
tipperzack6 t1_j63q6mc wrote
The forest is actually cheaper to clear out because there's less harmful chemicals in the wood. Cement and macadam, has to be tested for pollution and grind down.
tipperzack6 t1_j63ql14 wrote
More developments please. life's about people and children are a big point to that
seltzerforme t1_j63ss9p wrote
You da man
smokepants t1_j63sy1o wrote
yes but specifically "build anything anywhere YIMBYs", https://www.housingisahumanright.org/trickle-down-housing-is-a-failure-heres-what-you-need-to-know/
SyndicalistCPA t1_j63sznd wrote
These are 59 single-family homes. An utter waste to destroy the environment to build another fucking suburb.
njstein t1_j63t8tj wrote
"Cop dense" yet there's constantly people making lefts onto 35N from deal rd east. Shit turns into a parking lot just even without the tourists each summer.
njstein t1_j63tgl7 wrote
57 units on 32 acres isn't the most efficient use of space if your goal is to house those who otherwise struggle to find home ownership.
njstein t1_j63tq6i wrote
Those are so towns can skirt around low income housing requirements from the statea, as 55+ communities meet the mark as well. We're getting sold out for the boomers to live kush.
trixiewutang t1_j63va3b wrote
That speaks to poor road design for how heavy traffic really is. Writing tickets isn’t a solution.
Shishkebarbarian t1_j63ysge wrote
No way dude. Prepping a new area for development is much more expensive than building in existing developed land. Speaking from experience. There is way more that needs doing
Staff_Infection_ t1_j640jmd wrote
Great news.
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rockmasterflex t1_j6497w5 wrote
Right. You can solve affordable housing even in the suburbs by building complexes near public transport.
A big complex in the middle of nowhere with 20 mins of road to get to transport is a failure in premise before it’s even built.
As other commenters have mentioned, other good places to build: existing abandoned lots/malls. Malls were targeted to areas with decent transportation access anyway, and they’ll never come back… soooo start going up!
mykepagan t1_j64bhqc wrote
Preserving green space in our crowded state: Yay!
Exacerbating the housing shortage and driving up home costs through scarcity: boo.
Jimmy_kong253 t1_j64hchr wrote
Excellent I wish this happened more often
Psirocking t1_j6511kw wrote
Why do you think they build warehouses in the woods instead of on the side of Rt 18 where’s there’s abandoned strip malls
Yellowben t1_j6517ll wrote
Good
Schnevets t1_j65ad71 wrote
High density housing near public transit can also help local retail. Even if those residents own a car, they are so slightly inconvenienced by taking it out of a parking garage that they might step outside and use nearby retail like a drug store, deli, or superette to take care of one-off errands.
rockmasterflex t1_j65aps9 wrote
Hell yeah! Tired of suburbs where the train station is not even factored into their local hot spots
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No_Variation_6639 t1_j65e65w wrote
It's a very reddit opinion to just regurgitate that more housing is better and then walk away.
Right now is the most important time to save open space as once it's gone, it's gone forever.
Shishkebarbarian t1_j65o2h2 wrote
I've worked on those projects too. The most frequent reason is zoning. It's hard to rezone commercial into industrial and governments avoid it like the plague as it lowers property values. Other common reasons why is because the expected truck volume estimated for the distribution warehouse is unacceptable for major thoroughfares used for commuting. There's a lot of reasons actually, even security believe it or not. But like i said, it cost more to develop new land vs rehabilitating existing.
tex8222 t1_j65t0i9 wrote
Yeah, this was 4-5 bedroom single fam housing. Not at all designed to address the affordabilty issue.
Unfair_Driver884 t1_j66ybfy wrote
Good. There are plenty of empty department stores/strip malls and abandoned parking lots. Start tearing those down and build housing there. No need to develop more wilderness.
PolentaApology t1_j68gjgr wrote
That's one of the official proposals from NJT.
here's a proposal for mixed-use development on a metropark parking lot: https://www.nj.com/news/2022/10/metropark-to-become-more-than-a-train-station-under-plan-to-build-offices-apartments.html
on the other hand, here's NJT blocking a housing development at the morristown train station: https://morristowngreen.com/2022/02/22/morristown-parking-authority-sues-nj-transit-over-apartment-money-grab/
njdaveyray t1_j61cufk wrote
Thanks for sharing!