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AudibleNod t1_jckz8cf wrote

For kidnapping children!

They're focusing on this and not, more militarily focused war crimes, like killing POWs. So that's still on the table. It's also a very easy sell, politically. Nations can quibble about military actions all day long. But kidnapping children is going to be hard for talking heads to defend.

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caninehere t1_jcl2bpg wrote

While Putin can just stay in Russia until the day he dies to avoid any potential arrests in other states... this is still significant, because it puts pressure on him to do so.

If things go south for him and lower ranked officials/military decide to boot Putin's ass out, he will have no safe place to escape to except other states that don't recognize the ICC authority, many of which will be far more easily pressured thru other means than Russia.

China would be the best place to escape to but if he no longer holds any power he's useless to them.

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EvangelineOfSky t1_jcl2u8q wrote

Replying to AudibleNod (#2,254,512)

It makes sense.

The Kidnapping Children is something thats pretty much impossible to defend by even the most seasoned propegandists.. its also the easiest to objectively prove

It prevents the "ohh hes actually the victim yada yada" bullcrap

meanwhile, if he is arrested on that warrant, they can then begin slapping him with other related charges..

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TheJadedSF t1_jcl48g1 wrote

Meaningless but at least we can officially call Putin a wanted war criminal.

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UNOvven t1_jclaezd wrote

Replying to AudibleNod (#2,254,512)

They seem to be focusing on whats easy to sell, and importantly, easy to prove. An execution of a PoW could well be the case of rogue soldiers, which is hard to pin on Putin exactly (even if we all know he is responsible). But something on this scale has to have come through official channels, so easy to stick the charges.

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AudibleNod t1_jclh8e3 wrote

Replying to Serenafriendzone (#2,255,449)

Oh, we're at the whataboutism section of the thread. OK.

Obama and George W Bush are free, in part, because the Iraq and Aghanistan invasions had tacit support of the United Nations. Furthermore, the United States provides about 24% of the UN budget as well as about 16% of NATO's budget. It's a member of the G7 and G20. It's part of Five Eyes. In short, the United States is the only superpower. Putin's warrant is further proof Russia isn't.

I won't justify the invasions or defend Obama or Bush's role. I'm stating a reality.

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EvangelineOfSky t1_jclnvn9 wrote

Replying to munchi333 (#2,255,295)

I mean, the closest we ever got to WWIII was the Seuz Crisis, because of France and UK using their VETOs..

it was actually deescalated and world war III prevented because Canada took the issue to the General Assembly and ended up having them create the UNEF under command of E. L. M. Burns..

I just think its worth noting, the General Assembly did more to prevent WWIII than the security council ever did

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munchi333 t1_jclubln wrote

Replying to EvangelineOfSky (#2,255,910)

World war does not abide by democratic debate.

If Russia is “removed” from the security council (which there is no legal means to do so) they would immediately leave the UN and likely throw the future of the entire UN into chaos.

It would be exactly the same as Japan leaving the League of Nations prior to WWII and would render the UN pointless. Because what would happen then? The UN would condemn Russia? So what? Would a UN coalition decide to intervene? Hello WWIII.

Hence the entire purpose of the security council: prevent direct confrontation of major powers and prevent WWIII by giving them a “do whatever you want card so long as it’s not too bad.”

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thedeathmachine t1_jcmafb6 wrote

Replying to AudibleNod (#2,254,512)

If the US cannot find a way to get traitors like Tucker Carlson imprisoned, there is no way the US has a future as a free country. The word traitor essentially means nothing if it doesn't describe people like Tucker Carlson

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polloloco81 t1_jcmcbah wrote

Is Tom Cruise available to execute the arrest. All those Mission Impossible movies have trained him for a task like this.

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Beepersteen t1_jcnaj02 wrote

And yet, western nations refuse to remove the terrorist nation and its ruler from the worldwide banking system.

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Aurion7 t1_jcnlmap wrote

I feel like we can drop the 'alleged' when the Russians are openly bragging about the whole kidnapping thousands of kids thing.

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Cfp0001-Iceman t1_jcnyv64 wrote

Replying to UNOvven (#2,255,143)

War crimes anywhere near combat are essentially impossible to prove. Killing PoW is actually legal if they cannot be safely captured and detained without affecting their ability to defend themselves.

You'd have to prove that Russians were fully capable of keeping them prisoner without risking their lives. You don't have take anyone prisoner if holding them is risk.

War crimes are more a wish list than rules with teeth.

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MinorFragile t1_jcq1xip wrote

Go Ukraine. Be careful there is a lot of anti-ukraine rhetoric/sentiment being pushed in the U.S. currently.

Half the conservatives I know are balls deep in wanting to stop supporting ukraine. Saying we are using all our ammunition or we should be focused elsewhere.

I just don’t understand because from my perspective we are:

-dismantling the Russian military -reinforcing our defense industry -testing weapons -keeping some nations “for now” from trying some bs.

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Ok_Cranberry_1936 t1_jcs6gwd wrote

Replying to AudibleNod (#2,254,512)

>They're focusing on this and not, more militarily focused war crimes, like killing POWs

This first sentence shows you don't know whats happening. Kidnapping these children is a form of Genocide. The take these kids back to Russia, raise them as Russians and the kids will forget about their parents and their homeland. What they have done is sinister to the nth degree.

Don't get me wrong, obviously killing POW's is a war crime, and is despicable. But killing people who (generally) sign up for war is much different than brainwashing innocent children.

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1Uplift t1_jcsaqdf wrote

Let he who hasn’t… (squints) forcibly deported thousands of children to devastate their families… throw the first stone…

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Lo8000 t1_jcxgu79 wrote

Replying to AudibleNod (#2,254,512)

Putin maybe: I had the children evacuated because of the rerrible terrible war that is ongoing and is forced upon me by the west.

Children are our future and contrary to our enemies I am not willing to endanger their lives in this needless needless war that our foes are pursuing.

I have goodwill to prevent such disaster but the opposing forces do everything unreasonably in their power to work against me.

Edit: putin doesn't have reddit, does he? I swear to god, if he uses my words to justify his actions I will sue for royalties.

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