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Investigators are unsure if there's any truth to her claims because the only evidence they got was a "hit" by a cadaver dog.

> The well, since filled in, was 90 feet deep

Oh shit. That shit is filled with bodies.

If he did kill 60 or 70 women without being caught, he'd not only set all sorts of gruesome records (only in the US as Luis Garavito of South America is suspected of killing as many as 300) but it'd also be a wake-up call for people at agencies like the FBI. Even over a lifetime, 70 kills is a lot. And not getting caught the entire time, is even more miraculous.

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Isn't it great how police will spend tons of resources investigating this clearly BS claim because it got some press while completely ignoring the actual crime that's happening?

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Potentially identifying dozens of bodies in a well doesn't sound like important police work to you? Would you rather have them looking for people making lane changes without signaling?

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/samuel-little-most-prolific-serial-killer-in-us-history-100619

93 appears to be his number

Edit: Samuel little, not man in the article

Yes, I would much rather have them investigating crimes that are actually occurring. Maybe this woman could make up that her dead father's ghost is stealing catalytic converters so they could investigate that instead.

That's some "Frailty" shit right there. Fuck.

> Would you rather have them looking for people making lane changes without signaling?

Dear God he actually said yes.

> Yes, I would much rather have them investigating crimes that are actually occurring.

Did you know that a crime may actually be happening, but requires investigation to be sure? I know I know, it's a wild concept.

> Maybe this woman could make up that her dead father's ghost is stealing catalytic converters so they could investigate that instead.

The line between making a bullshit claim like that, and "hey my dad's a serial killer, might wanna check that out" is hilariously wide.

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The dad died in 2013 and the daughter contacted the sheriff's office for the second time in 2021. When was the first time? It seems pretty shitty she seemingly waited until after his death to come forward about this. If she told them earlier she could've maybe saved some lives (assuming what she's saying is true).

Edit: apparently she did and no one listened. Crazy

when they kill sex workers and homeless people cops don't care.

Maybe if he was killing 6-7 women every year like she claimed, she was afraid for her own life.

yet here they are not investigating crimes *they know for sure happened* and spending time on a crime *that might have happened* instead.

I'd agree that the locals don't, but the I'd say the FBI loves to make the local cops look even more foolish.

Sounds like we need more sex-worker and homeless representation within police forces

You don’t think the families of these victims (assuming they exist) might like some closure?

> yet here they are not investigating crimes they know for sure happened and spending time on a crime that might have happened instead.

Yes, they're investigating a crime that might have happened to determine if the crime did in fact happen. This is how it works. You have to investigate to determine if a crime has taken place. Why is this a hard concept to grasp?

I wish the journalist would have explained how the daughter found out. It's one thing if she discovered this after he died, but quite another if she knew while he was alive, but did nothing about it.

Edit: https://www.newsweek.com/dad-was-serial-killer-woman-says-cadaver-dogs-scour-field-nightmares-1754083

She claims she tried to tell anyone she could but was ignored.

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Dog barks uncontrollably at cement filled well

“Nothing to see here”

Dog wags tail while looking at your car

“Get the fuck out and tell me where the dope is at you piece of shit”

I also watched mindhunters

She has been telling people for decades, no one believed her. https://www.newsweek.com/dad-was-serial-killer-woman-says-cadaver-dogs-scour-field-nightmares-1754083

I'm sure they have plenty of legitimate unsolved missing persons cases they could be investigating instead.

Samuel Little did with no problems (93confirmed victims), he even got caught red handed in the act a couple of times and cops didn't seem to care all that much.

>She claims she tried to tell anyone she could but was ignored.

Def wouldn't be the first time cops ignored a woman reporting a serious crime.

There are no indications that her claims are illegitimate.

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you knew for a fact, and with proof nonetheless, that there were absolutely no missing persons cases in that area that have been filed in the last several decades.

Wait, you do have evidence backing up your implication here... right?

Omg what!!?

> For 45 years, Lucy Studey told anyone who would listen that her father had murdered scores of young women and buried them with the help of his children. No one believed her.

>Studey said over the years she told her story to teachers, priests and "law enforcement all over Iowa and Nebraska trying to get something done."

>"No one would listen to me," Studey said. "The teacher said family matters should be handled as a family, and law enforcement has said they couldn't trust the memory of a child. I was just a kid then, but I remember it all."

I take back what I said. If her claims are true and no one followed up on this, wow.

You win the dumbest comment of the day award, holy cow, congratulations!

It's like a double insult for women and girls - they don't believe the girl telling them what's happening, for DECADES, while other young women are also being killed. So disgusting. I bet if she had a boy tell the authorities, then it actually would be investigated perhaps? 🤔🤦🏻‍♀️

What pleasure do killers get out of taking the life of others? Serious question.

*60 confirmed murders *93 claimed/suspected

I appreciated the article letting us know that the cadaver dogs are Australian cattle dogs named Jojo and Jetti

The thing about that question is you would have to ask one. I'm sure there is someone in jail that would explain it.

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Uh wow man, you're so close to being aware. What dog do you have in this fight? You know this dude personally or something? It's a pretty big accusation and woefully horrific if true. Don't you think we should at least check it out? You got pot plants out there? Good lord

The article says she called the police “at least twice” but unclear what the timeline is.

I about cried laughing at this....good one....

From stuff I've watched and read it's completely random. Some do it out of boredom, some have a compulsion that is like an itch you can't scratch. A major one that seems to come up a lot is the finality of it. They are basically playing "god." To be able to be a serial killer and not be one off I feel as though you have to be mentally unstable. Most people feel guilty about stealing a candy bar, stealing a life would be a heavy burden to bare unless you aren't all wired correctly.

Brilliant series!

Shes tried for decades to tell em but no one believed her, honestly surprised she just didn’t give up on it.

The impawtent things.

I loved that movie. I know so few people that have even heard of it.

I believe it varies depending on the killer, but some say it's a sort of compulsion that either they couldn't or didn't want to resist. There are prob more ppl going round not acting on this type of compulsion tho but obv we only hear about the ones who do & get caught.

What is wrong with you? I'm really asking, here.

I know! It's weird because it's so good. So damn scary!!!

Anybody getting Jodi Huisentruit vibes?

Some are too old to validate anymore. Some, he was unable to recall specific details. And I think if somebody can provide information details about a murder 30 years ago after confirming killing 60 to 70 other people, it's not likely that they are making it up.

go watch Mindhunter on netflix.

its a fictionalized story based on the book by one of the guys that pioneered the profiling of serial killers with the FBI - the agents in the story are made up but the killers they present are true.

"You sure they didn't fall down that 90' well there themselves?"

“Ma’am, are you currently at that time of the month ?”

The location is Thurman, Iowa, population 167. I looked at a map of that area and it appears that there's not a whole lot there. Iowa has 1/3 the population of New Jersey but over 6x the land. Sounds lonely. If the property where the well was has recently been logged, it sounds like a place where nobody would ever know what was going on there.

The alleged mass murder was a gun and drug smuggler. If you're bringing drugs from another area, women around the drug supply aren't exactly tethered to a community - they're people who live at the fringes.

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"According to police records, one of his wives died by strangling herself with an electrical cord. The other shot herself in the head."

Sounds legit...

They also apparently teach them to “hit” on command. Shitty people doing shitty shit.

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It depends on a lot on the type of serial killer.

Mission based killers, basically their convinced that taking these lives is adding up to something tangible. To them each kill is the satisfaction you get from success of completing a really hard task that will benefit your life down the line.

Power and Control killers, its not so much taking the life, more that each time they do so they prove to the world their better than the person they just killed. To take a life is the ultimate form of control over another human being.

Visionary killers are usually insane, they honestly believe that either something is commanding them to kill or that the person their after must die for some reason.

Finally hedonistic killers, simply take pleasure out of the act itself. Their most often sexual homicides, but it doesn't need to be. Their generally split into three subcategories: Lust Killers, Thrill Killers and Comfort Killers.

There are other sub categories, but generally those are the four main motivations (their are also cases where the person is simply so far gone they honestly can't stop themselves from killing, but their extremely rare).

However, most of the time it can be boiled down to the idea that they have a hole in themselves. One that they need to fill, and that is usually done by killing.

The twisted thing about serial killers is often the actual killings the point their least interested in. Usually their thrill comes from all the preparation and ritualistic elements that build up to kill.

Damn, this goes beyond police incompetence.

This is starting to sound like some sort of full blown community denial.

If she's right, poor woman to have to live with this.

Don't even need to be sex workers, homeless people or minorities.

If you kill people who have no connection to the community, who know one really knows that well or those who don't do know for sure where they are i.e. Travelers, backpackers, runaways etc. Its very easy to get away with it.

After all who's going to notice their missing? And if they do who's going to come looking here in the middle of nowhere?

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Still, confirmation is a little more credible, no? Wasn't trying to one up you or something. Just thought it was worth noting

Besides, there have been many killers of various kinds that admit to more murders than they're responsible for. Henry Lee Lucas comes to mind.

One of Jeffery Dahmer's victims, a 14 year old boy called Konerak Sinthasomphone actually escaped from Dahmer and ran into the street naked and disoriented. Not only did Milwaukee cops not believe him or the neighbors who reported it, they handed him back to Dahmer who strangled him to death 30 minutes after they left. While the cops were checking out Dahmers apartment, there was another body in the bedroom that the cops didn't see.

> 70 kills is a lot. And not getting caught the entire time, is even more miraculous.

You don't know this because this is a paradox. For all we know most serial killers kill 100+ and don't get caught. How would we know? They didn't get caught.

Makes me miss Bill Paxton. :( RIP

Well your absolutely right, we can't know for sure. But statistically its less likely than the alternative.

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This is amazing. Where can I read up more about this?

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You're not wrong. Accuracy in todays media climate is important. And this is vague information. I appreciate your feedback and candor

If she is proven to be right, this may just be a good example of the mindset of the people who denied her all these years :/

How long had she known this?

Thank you, I'm happy to help.

There are a number of good publications I can recommend, Doctor Christopher Berry-Dee's publications "Talking With Serial Killers" and "Talking with Psychopaths and Savages" are pretty impressive and comprehensive.

If that's to much hassle, I found a few interesting links with a quick search:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

http://crimeslab.com/different-types-serial-killers/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/serial-killers

https://sites.google.com/site/psychologyofpsychopaths4a/what-is-the-profile-of-a-serial-killer-1/what-are-the-different-types-of-serial-killers

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201909/understanding-what-drives-serial-killers

I hope some of these prove helpful.

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Since she was a child, according to articles detailing what she said.

She also claims to have been telling everyone that will listen to her about it, for 40+ years. No one would believe her.

Here is the Newsweek article that broke the story:

https://www.newsweek.com/dad-was-serial-killer-woman-says-cadaver-dogs-scour-field-nightmares-1754083

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There was a recent case of a girl who escaped her house where she and her siblings were kept chained by their parents. She took some cell phone pics of her siblings before she escaped and the cops said that was a real smart move because without the pics they might have just considered her a runaway and returned her home.

I feel like I remember a case where someone had their brother tell the cops after she got snuffed and they took the case... Or her boyfriend or something?

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.... That's literally the WHOLE POINT of checking out a lead that may and often does lead to stopping a crime, you absolute walnut-brained dingbat.

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I read a slightly more local article that said the daughter came forward to Nebraska and Iowa authorities "many times throughout the years" and she did so the first time 45 years ago.

If cadaver dogs are indicating there is bodies there, wouldn't that be enough to obtain a search warrant to dog up the area?

Thanks much!

Happy to help.

Right!? *raises eyebrow *

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"Please escort yourself out, and take that skull with you... We have men's work to do."

south america is a country now?

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He's dead and the property owner can give consent for a search (and if his daughter is the property owner now, it definitely sounds like she is giving consent), so no warrant is required.

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Wouldn't even be the first time this month there was a news story about cops ignoring reports of a potential serial killer.

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Thanks for that. What a horrible childhood situation. Then adulthood situation. Imagine no one cares?

Sounds Russian.

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I car was pulled over in front of my house a while back and they brought the dog out. As it was sniffing around I saw the cop tap his thigh and the dog instantly sat down. They then proceeded to search the whole car. Lucky for them they really didn't have anything and were let go.

Which right off the bat should show drug dogs should not be used. How do you get a "hit" but not come up with anything and still act like it's a viable tool?

I get breathalyzer aren't enough to convict an an owi but are enough to take a blood sample. But breathalyzer don't lie about alcohol only the amount. You can't make the breathalyzer ding you on command.

They're good dogs

Or, maybe she was terrified of her father.

Not if he was picking up prostitutes at truck stops. The homeless. People that no one was looking for.

A lot of it is that these are relatively transient lifestyles anyway. When they're killed, if there's not a body appearing somewhere, it can look like they just up and left. If there are people who know them well enough to know they didn't take their stuff etc, these are often the types of people who will generally avoid law enforcement: fellow prostitutes, pimps, etc.

>"Every time I went to the well or into the hills, I didn't think I was coming down. I thought he would kill me because I wouldn't keep my mouth shut."

She was a brave-ass girl. Despite this indeed told people.

You know, with the Dahmer case etc folks always tell about how no one believes black folks. Which I don't doubt. Yet here was a white family in the middle of a white-ass state. And she still wasn't believed. I'm sure some was that she was a kid, and some that she was a girl rather than boy. But I'm thinking what's up is people just don't want to believe these things, either from horror, fear, not wanting to have to deal with it, or the simple surprise-disbelief when we see something absolutely insane and our minds can't process it, especially not quickly. And all these factors become excuses to look the other way.

I think that was Gary Ridgeway's victim profile. His mistake was that he left the bodies to be found near the Green River. Gacy made the mistake that he began to take people who would be missed. I think if he had stuck to male prostitutes he'd have gone another decade or more.

It's really sad that there are segments of society that can be killed off and no one seems to notice or care.

Thinking more about this, I mean, if a kid told me something like this, I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to deal with it. And I'm very ethical, and have done shit pretty regularly like jump in pools to save a kid, yoink an attacking dog off a smaller one, etc. So I'm likely among the more-likely to respond types. Yet still if a kid told me this, I'd be terrified to act, and beyond that terror, I'd simply have no idea what to do. Call the cops and report? But then I'd worry I'd be getting the kid killed...

Anyone know what we actually do if someone does tell us about serious, needs-intervention crime?

If he'd lived in the country on a giant block of land he could probably have just dumped the bodies in the woods and no one would have known.

Dahmer made me wonder how many serial killers there are that get away with it because he was so sloppy and still got away with everything for so long.

I mean it was just some boyfriend stuff.

Don't forget where these cops not only kept their job but one was president of the local police union in the 2000's and just retired in 2017.

Or listen to the casefile podcast on real life stories.

The daughter and her siblings were made to help dispose of the bodies. Her brother committed suicide age 39 I believe it said.

This happened while she was a child. Her brother committed suicide as an adult and her dad's wives died by strangling and shooting themselves. You can't blame a someone who was a dependent child and raised in that hell. Just stop.

They have to get the money approved. I read it's gonna be 300k and a large chunk of the county budget. I think they were looking into FBI funds too.

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Same with search and rescue and cadaver dogs. My parents train them. They are trained to come back to their handler and quietly lay down if they hit on something. It always bugs me to see movies where search dogs are walking through the forest frantically barking and the police go, "We got something here!"

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Also, we don't know how direct she was about reporting. It sounds bad now but if you have a 12 year old saying something indirect like "I just get a really bad feeling about that well" or calling in a tip anonymously then it's hard to know how serious it is. And I wouldn't blame her one bit for not just spitting it out, because in that sort of situation, if you tell the wrong person and they roll their eyes, send you home, and possibly even tell your father what you said, you could have just punched your own ticket.

And their not willing to spend the money to excavate.

Those bodies will never be recovered.

Gacy actually took people who would be missed quite early on, that's the crazy thing about him. Yes, there were runaways and prostitutes mixed in there but his second or third victim had worked for him and the kid's father was begging cops to look into Gacy, and throughout the next few years Gacy employees also disappeared. It's just that it being the seventies, no bodies, and the kids being older than, oh, 12, the cops were all too happy to write them off as runaways. I've seen people say he only got caught because his last victim was a "good kid" but the kid really wasn't that different from plenty of previous victims -- a high school kid living with his parents and looking for part time work. What really got Gacy in trouble was kidnapping the kid as his mother was literally waiting in a drugstore for him to come back from the parking lot so she could drive him home. Even lazy Illinois cops couldn't write that one off as a random runaway.

The police have a long history of not being concerned about prostitutes.

Add in the fact that very few people are going to notice prostitutes going missing and nobody is going to notice a runaway missing and yes, it’s very possible.

1. Gotta pass the background check
2. They won’t be homeless with steady employment.

According to this article, they are willing to spend the money, and plan on doing so.

https://www.newsweek.com/dad-was-serial-killer-woman-says-cadaver-dogs-scour-field-nightmares-1754083?amp=1

Jordan Turpin.

Yeah, the cops treated it as a "runaway" situation and were fully prepared to return her to her parents, despite her saying they'd tried to kill her before, and would absolutely do it again. The only reason they entered the home at all was because of those pictures. When they went inside, they found a dozen emaciated kids, some of whom were chained to their beds and hadn't bathed for a year.

It's considered one of the worst child abuse cases in America's history, and the cops almost didn't investigate.

Thankfully Jordan seems to be doing great now. She has an active TikTok account and keeps in touch with her siblings.

...what do you mean by "here"?

Thank you for this perfectly civil and decent exchange my guy

Exactly this yes Some don't even have the bar set that high and will settle for some perverted version of clout

The /r/iowa thread on this is here.

Disclaimer: I grew up in the area. True or false, this is some wild shit.

> I looked at a map of that area and it appears that there's not a whole lot there.

I grew up in the area. It's mostly rural/farmland. At ~7k people, Fremont County, Iowa is the 7th least populated in the state.

The location of the Frailty movie was in THURMAN, Texas. The location of the alleged Sturdy murders is in THURMAN, Iowa. Tell I’m not seeing things that aren’t there. 😬

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...then fell into a well and covered herself in cement...

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The police don't believe that they would notice 60 to 70 missing women from one area. He forgot the unless they were black or indigenous part of that statement.

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Especially if they were black or indigenous. A white person goes missing and it's the only thing on the news for weeks, same age same circumstances but black/indigenous and it barely makes the local news for 3 minutes.

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Southwest Iowa is pretty poor, but for any county in Iowa, $300k would be a huge cost. Maybe they can ask Kim for some money from the state's $1 billion dollar "rainy day" fund.

There's not to many indigenous people in Iowa, they were forced to move to Oklahoma in the 1900s. Only one tribe came back and they're no where near this.

Not sure how familiar you are with the case. Was very sad. Some of them were put in foster homes where they were subjected to physical and sexual abuse, again. Very troubling. They do seem to be doing well now, though. Very resilient.

So he asked his daughter to rat him out once he died so that he could become internationally famous, right?

Where was her desire for the truth before he died?

Might want to take a stroll through the rest of the thread for the sad and stunning answer to that before condemning the poor woman. In a nutshell, she told. And told. And told. And told. And got blown off by law enforcement, school teachers, and clergy.

I did look before posting, but didn't see that.

Everyone always claims they “tried to tell X” and were “ignored.”

Proof? Never.

Working dogs should always get a lower third.

Thurman, Iowa where these events took place. From the sounds of it, its in the middle of dab nowhere.

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Also Ted Bundy was like, well I want to help the FBI catch him (bc that is my block and I AM KING).

FBI took him up on the offer.

Bundy: like okay guys, next time you find some bodies leave them bc he’ll totally come back and fuck them.

Police ?

Bundy: yeah, he totally will. Just…believe me, like, he’ll BE back

Ridgeway came back.

Complete control. Playing god. Pinnacle of power.

I get the feeling the local police were too chickenshit and/or didn’t want to get into it w her dad. That’s the feeling you get when 2 of the random ass people from the article are like, yeah, her dad being a serial killer makes sense

He was a gun and drug runner to different cities. It would have been easy to pick up women from a variety of places on his runs and bring them back.

New article said he traveled frequently to places like Omaha.

Cadaver dogs on separate searches of the property indicated scents of human remains in the same locations. Incidentally, one of the locations is a 90 foot well and a place the daughter has reported that her father made her and her siblings help him dispose of remains. If that’s not worthy of an investigation I don’t know what is. If these claims are true the families of the victims deserve to know what happened to their loved ones.