The1xide t1_iulh1wt wrote
Some people think the answer is more guns, we are fucked.
Suppertime420 t1_iulkqwd wrote
It’s already happening in Texas with the no permit carry law. They have seen a huge uptick of late night drunk shootings. No more fists just pull the blick and let it bang I suppose.
zzorga t1_iumd4dz wrote
> They have seen a huge uptick of late night drunk shootings
Have they? I'm not aware of any statistically meaningful rise in violent crime/ homicide in the other states that have adopted permitless carry.
pegothejerk t1_iumfcvx wrote
That’s what the police are telling reporters. We wouldn’t have data yet because those laws haven’t been active for long enough.
Wazula42 t1_iumq4d0 wrote
So far no, crime overall has not meaningfully changed. Theres just been an uptick in shootings. That's what guns do, they turn normal crime into shooting crime.
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KDRadio1 t1_iuo6ezh wrote
There have been numerous states that have passed those laws many years ago. AZ did so as of 2010, with the gun death rate decreasing for several years afterwards.
Not really saying it’s right or whatever, but there’s not a universal correlation in all cases between constitutional carry and gun violence.
Suppertime420 t1_iuob9cs wrote
Well in Texas there is right now so..Takeoff was just killed in Houston last night.
KDRadio1 t1_iuoiwq0 wrote
Gasp. Yeah bad stuff happens. Point is that tying it to a change in law before the actual data comes out is a bit bold. Especially when the inverse has been true in other locations.
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Trtmfm t1_iumhgne wrote
seems like a problem that will sort itself given time.
calm_chowder t1_iuomk1f wrote
.... when America runs out of people to shoot....?
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celebrityDick t1_iunnwni wrote
> Some people think the answer is more guns, we are fucked.
Other people think the answer is taking guns from peaceful people, we are doubly fucked
The1xide t1_iuno7w3 wrote
That's a false equivalency, less guns certainly equal less people shot. Let's use Australia as a case study. https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
celebrityDick t1_iunvnsg wrote
> That's a false equivalency, less guns certainly equal less people shot. Let's use Australia as a case study.
Australia is a poor case study for a several reasons. Homicide rates in Australia have always been pretty low compared to the US. Gun regulation have done nothing to change overall homicide rates.
Additionally, Australian gun buy-back and confiscation schemes received a 20% compliance rate - meaning that 80% of Australian gun owners have refused to comply. With so little cooperation, it's relatively impossible to tell whether confiscation has accomplished any positive benefits.
Another important problem with your thesis is that Australia and the US represent two entirely cultures - with entirely different histories and traditions. Comparing these two cultures is absurd on its face; it's the socio-engineering equivalent of attempting to jam a square peg into a round hole
The1xide t1_iunwtez wrote
I disagree with your opinion here. Absurd to think more guns equal safer society.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/police-organizations-gun-control/index.html
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Agitated_Tell240 t1_iulj1yy wrote
Bet they ain't legal guns
PM_Orion_Slave_Tits t1_iuljwxm wrote
How do you people not understand that the more legal guns there are the more opportunity there is to get illegal guns?
It's very difficult to get an illegal firearm here in the UK purely because there aren't that many guns at all. A legal gun quickly becomes illegal in the wrong hands.
JeanGuy_Rubberboot t1_ium05xx wrote
I agree. I had my house broken into last year. 2 shotguns were stolen. I'm a legal gun owner in Canada, my guns had trigger locks and were in a (cheap) safe. Now those guns are illegal (probably, thiefs were never caught, it is possible they have gun licenses).
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PM_Orion_Slave_Tits t1_iulkf6p wrote
Educate yourself. In addition to your laughable gun crime statistics there is also more knife crime in the US than in the UK, even adjusted for population. We just make a big deal about it and have a lot of campaigns to stop knife crime, that's why you hear about it more.
Edit: deleted a shitty source in favour of this helpful graph I found
https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl
Edit 2: Personally I think it's crass and disgusting to tout love of guns underneath an article about people losing their lives due to guns.
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CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_iulwmtg wrote
I’d rather be attacked with a knife than with a gun. I can run from a knife attack. I cannot run from a gun attack. If I have a puffy coat, I am protected from a knife wound. No such luck with a bullet.
Seriously did you not even think about your sentence for 2 seconds?
AggressiveSkywriting t1_ium0y64 wrote
You can shut yourself behind a door when a knife is coming at you, or fend them off with a large enough object. It very well not protect you vs a gun.
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My man read one article halfway through about UK knife crimes and built a whole narrative around it, lmao
daviss2 t1_iulxdle wrote
MURICA. The land of freedom that allows little men to act tough behind a gun.
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DogParkSniper t1_iulj572 wrote
More will help, though, right?
It's almost as if emotional-support guns, legal or not, are the common problem.
I don't understand being that afraid of stepping out in public without a gun. That kind of constant fear has to be exhausting.
I run to Food-Lion, buy my shit as quickly as possible, and drive home. No need for a weapon to buy dog food and a tub of sour cream. Simply because I'm not that afraid of other people.
Now, if I see the need to arm myself because the other guy is armed... It's the definition of a self-perpetuating problem.
NoDoctor4460 t1_iulkjbz wrote
Their televisions are blaring messages of devilish attack from all sides 24/7. When it is pointed out that other Americans, including those in the scary scary cities, do not live in that fear, that’s chalked up to brainwashing by the left. You can’t get halfway through a sentence before any utterance is deemed a lie even if every other country on Earth also believes said lies.
Calinope t1_ium66el wrote
I have never heard the culture described as “emotional support guns” but that is genius. They literally are emotional support guns.
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Fofiddly t1_iuml14h wrote
Tell that to the victims in buffalo just trying to shop. Guns are too prolific, yes I agree. Unfortunately though that means arming yourself sounds a lot more appealing.
If only the bad could be more effectively filtered out but the cats out of the bag.
Agitated_Tell240 t1_iuljltd wrote
If you could have a 199% way to abolish guns I might get behind you but it's impossible since you can build one at a hardware store
NorwayNarwhal t1_ium1sm4 wrote
It’s harder to build a pipe shotgun than it is to buy a pistol, and you’ll only get one shot with the former.
The second amendment protects the right to bear arms, but it never specifies which kind of arms. Give everyone Zweihanders and broadswords instead
TrainOfThought6 t1_ium5wk4 wrote
I'm not too keen on AWBs, but if someone gets the chance to point out to SCOTUS that AR-15s aren't exactly part of America's "history or tradition", I'm curious to see where that goes.
manbearcolt t1_iumhbrq wrote
I'm sure Clarence "I don't know what 'diversity' means" Thomas would have a completely consistent, good faith response to that.
And that's as far as I could get before the giggling made it way too hard to type.
WestAccurate8861 t1_iuns22h wrote
Social media wasn't around when they wrote the First Amendment either.
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NorwayNarwhal t1_iuo5d91 wrote
Well, fencing is exercise. That’s lawful. I’m getting me a bastard sword for home defense.
If I were a burglar or a home invader, I’d be far more viscerally scared of someone charging at me with a sword than someone pointing a gun at me. The gun isn’t brutal or imminently threatening in the same way.
(Some facetiousness is present, guns are scary too)
Agitated_Tell240 t1_iuljjam wrote
Yes knowing you ain't the only one w a gun might actually stop you from shooting some one
DogParkSniper t1_iulna9i wrote
You replied twice in two minutes.
You know what stops me from shooting anyone? Knowing that I won't have to. It really is that easy.
But then again, my six-year-old child knows active shooter drills. That's kinda fucked.
Imagine if falconry had such protections.
We'd still find it stupid, but nobody mows down a classroom with a red-tailed hawk.
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AggressiveSkywriting t1_ium10pa wrote
Lol by that logic no one would be shooting anyone in the US. Hmmm.
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FHG3826 t1_iuljqg5 wrote
You know what wont help? More gun laws targeting law abiding citizens.
DogParkSniper t1_iulnrep wrote
More laws targeting the people who don't follow said laws won't work, either.
If the laws don't work as they are, they need to be redone until they do.
Wanna aim those laws elsewhere? People who want to solve the problem are all ears.
"Guns good, because guns" isn't gonna fix a damn thing.
FHG3826 t1_iun7feu wrote
Gun advocates scream from the mountain tops with other ideas, but grabbers just want to confiscate.
It's not "Guns good," it's "guns are my right". There's a big goddamn difference. Dont strawman the argument.
DogParkSniper t1_iuqj65d wrote
Nobody wants to come after your shitty shotgun collection. Relax.
Sane people just want to keep the most efficient means of killing people out of the hands of the unstable and insane. Which, we're doing horrible job of so far.
FHG3826 t1_iurcidn wrote
Yes they do. They say it all the time.
Strawmanning and poisoning the well from a losing position isnt a good look my dude.
The things you and grabbers writ large suggest wouldnt do anything to prevent people from acquiring firearms. So we need to address the root cause.
Chippopotanuse t1_ium1l66 wrote
What gun law targets a “law abiding citizen”?
The one that bans felons or domestic abusers from owning guns?
What I’m getting at is this: What gun do you want to own that you are prevented from owning by ANY firearm law past or present? (Because the answer is NONE.)
Because “law abiding citizens” don’t need fully automatic weapons of war.
You can buy whatever you damn well please, and you know it. My uncle had a goddamn arsenal. Close to 100 guns. Bullet making presses. Anything he wanted.
No law said “hey sir…after NINTEY FUCKING FIREARMS maybe you don’t need another AK.” Nope. He was free to pour whatever cash he wanted into weird-ass hobby.
“Law abiding citizens” gun rights are absolutely not under attack in any way, shape, or form. Never have been.
FHG3826 t1_iun739l wrote
You obviously didnt come to argue in good faith. And you're just...patently wrong. Lots of places limit the type of firearm you can own and operate. And the laws are obtuse and arbitrary.
E.g. SBR and brace laws. These ONLY affect law abiding citizens, and seem designed to turn them into felons.
E.g. 80 percent lower restrictions. Building your own firearm has long been legal, but now literal blocks of plastic are being called firearms because I can build it into one.
E.g. Suppressors are safety items but require a 200 dollar tax stamp and a 14 month waiting period. Why? Movies, I guess?
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Chippopotanuse t1_iumm97n wrote
You want a machine gun with a laser sight, a noise suppressor, and a high capacity magazine?
Just as I would have guessed.
You are unhinged and need to check your definition of what “law abiding” people means.
You ain’t one of them if you need a fully automatic machine gun with a laser sight.
Omg.
Also - what city and timeframe are you claiming you couldn’t own a handgun?
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Chippopotanuse t1_iumr790 wrote
You just want “the ability” to own one?
Nice dodge of not answering what you actually want to own.
And nice avoidance of articulating when and where you couldn’t own a handgun. Because I’m not aware of any city that EVER banned handgun ownership in our lifetimes.
There are cases wheee cities wanted to regulate whether folks could carry handguns in public, or with a concealed permit. (See DC v Heller, etc…)
But I’m really curious what city you lived in where handgun ownership was outright banned. And this 30-year struggle you talk about.
silver_sofa t1_iumpusq wrote
No new restrictions in the last twenty five years? Well that clearly explains why gun violence has plummeted recently.
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silver_sofa t1_iunjeya wrote
The automobile laws of 100 years ago are relatively nonexistent compared to what we have today. A point no one seems to consider.
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