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chenjia1965 t1_ixkkjie wrote

Kinda wondering, does anyone have a eli5 for the Brazilian elections? I don’t know their government formatting and phone being slightly dysfunctional

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witchknights t1_ixknhkq wrote

Brazilian here. To sum it up, our election is a first past the post system, with any candidate getting 50% +1 votes declared the winner; in case no candidate wins by that margin, there is a second round with the top two candidates. We vote on electronic ballot boxes since... uh, at least the last 20 years? The rotten carrot outgoing wanted to contest only specific ballot boxes, coincidentally models that went to major capitals were president elect Lula won. The president of our electoral court basically told the party to get fucked. If you want to know anything specific feel free to ask

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chenjia1965 t1_ixku9q3 wrote

I appreciate the information. Sometimes you get wrapped up in your own, you don’t catch on what the rest of the world is going through

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MorgenMariamne t1_ixl4zba wrote

Just to add a little more information: Bolsonaro's party (not the man because if he does that he will be arrested) has only been contesting the second round presidencial votes. Alexandre de Moraes said that the same ballots were used in both rounds, so if the second one is wrong, the first one is too.

They won't do that because that would put all their elected deputies and senators at risk.

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chenjia1965 t1_ixkuyen wrote

Another question since I don’t follow too close, but what is bolsonaros appeal to Brazil compared to what he kept as promised? The only thing I know about him is he’s called Brazilian trump, burns the rainforest, and he’s got an actual military background compared to trump

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putinha21 t1_ixlc7m7 wrote

He essentially came up at a time of a global right wing political swing, following Donald Trump gaining notoriety and the "Operation Car Wash" (Operação Lava Jato) comingo into light. Operation Car Wash happened during the presidency of Dilma Rousseff (left wing politician that became president with the support of Lula).

Right now he basically follows the same footsteps as Donald Trump, he has been pushing "Red Scare" propaganda touting himself as the saviour against "communism" and corruption in Brazil.

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Lutoures t1_ixll35e wrote

Yes, basically this.

Also important to note: Bolsonaro claims the ideological inheritance of the military dictatorship that ruled here in Brazil from 1964-1985. So a lot of his speech worked by calling back anti-communist propaganda and red scare conspiracy theories from this era. Add to this a bit of new evangelical fundamentalim, and you'll have a good idea how he appeals to the conservative electorate.

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RubberbandShooter t1_ixkynqk wrote

Bolsonaro ran on the usual conservative talking points, pushback of corruption, violence, and rescuing of "family values" and Christian tradition. Brazil is a quite socially conservative and religious country, and the governments of PT from 2002 to 2014 became synonymous with a bunch of corruption scandals (look up Mensalão and Operation Car Wash), that tanked the image of the PT party for a lot of people. Bolsonaro then rose up as an "outsider" candidate, promising to not make any concessions to "the system" (even though he spent decades as a congressman who failed to put forward any relevant project), and fight "cultural marxism".

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NetEast1518 t1_ixloff2 wrote

Then you put everything he said in a resonation box called social mídia and you have as a result a lot of zombies that answer any argument presented with a loud: "You are a COMUNIST!!!"

Fear is the most feeling humans have, and they worked it very well.

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Full-Watercress-7743 t1_ixm2s83 wrote

let me give you some advice: Don't use someone's subjective opinion as the representative of the facts, especially when your parameter comes from the internet.

The president-elect, Lula governed the country during what is perhaps the period with the most cases of corruption in the country's history and was imprisoned until recently. The Brazilian supreme court did what it could to free the ex-convict from his sentence so that he would be able to run for election.

The question arises: Why would they do this? Members of the Supreme Court are appointed by the President. As President-elect Lula's party and its affiliates governed the country for more than 20 years, they nominated most of the ministers.

The reason you think of a third world country when you hear the name of Brazil, or think of samba or women is because during the last 22 years no president has made an effort to improve the country, and in that I am including Bolsonaro. To make matters worse, the Brazilian people are idolatrous and follow any imbecile with a political banner, which is the case of Lula - An illiterate, actively involved in cases of corruption (ministers arrested, money confiscated and returned to Brazil).

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FruityFetus t1_ixmttx2 wrote

“Don’t use someone’s subjective opinion as the representative of the facts”. Proceeds to supply subjective opinion.

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Full-Watercress-7743 t1_ixmu5vv wrote

Exactly. Divergence is important. If you can point out which points I made are lies, it would contribute to the discussion

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FruityFetus t1_ixmvxmx wrote

Why don’t you just source your points instead. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but it’s pretty hypocritical to call out subjectivity while making a bunch of unsourced statements yourself.

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Full-Watercress-7743 t1_ixmwncf wrote

I said not to assume as facts. That goes for the other opinions as well as mine. I don't see where the hypocrisy is in that. What I said can be easily found by searching for information about the car wash operation and the list of appointed ministers/government.

As credible as an opinion may seem, it is necessary to do research before assuming it as fact. This is necessary so that we do not fall into false narratives from any of the political sides.

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machado34 t1_ixkqwn0 wrote

Brazil's presidential election is based on majority voting, so having over 50% of valid votes is necessary to win (even if by a single vote). If no single candidate accomplishes this, there's a second round of elections, where only the two most voted in the first round compete, so whichever of them has the most votes will have the majority.

Legislative elections are held by state, but there is no district system like the U.S. Senators are decided by who has the most votes, no majority required (for example, a senator could be elected with just 15% of the votes if everyone else has fewer votes (like a bunch of canditates getting 10%). The House election is awarded to parties by state, and the most voted candidates for each party get their spots. So let's say there is one million votes and 10 spots on the House for a certain state. You divide the total votes (in this case, one million) by the number of spots (in this case 10), getting the electoral quocient (which would be 100k in this example). So if Party X has 420 thousand votes in this state among their candidates, they've reached enough to have 4 chairs for their congressman, and the 4 most voted candidates of that party will be elected, with the rest being their substitutes (in case they need to vacate the chair for any reason).

Apart the election, the actual government system is VERY similar to the US

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NetEast1518 t1_ixlp83w wrote

This system for the quotient for the congressman ejections creates some bizarre situations of a hugely popular candidate in a small party electing a bunch of people without popular votes.

Using the same example. If one candidate have 350k, and three more have 17k they will be elected... 401k votes, 4 seats, one with 350 votes, 3 with 17k votes.

Historically we are very "candidate centric" rather than "party centric" for the elections. Only this year the "social media polarization" (echo chambers) created in the Right the ideia that the "Liberal Party" was the saviors because they are with Bolsonaro... Lots of votes based on the "I'm Bolsonaro's choice for this region". The party is a joke, every time in the top of the wall waiting the decision of the winner to take actions.

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