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WhySheHateMe t1_ivo5ioj wrote

Why the fuck would you travel there with your child knowing that women don't have rights there.

Your kid could have met her grandfather over video chat. How did she not realize this was a trap? Her mom tried to warn her.

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nova9001 t1_ivoflz5 wrote

She thought Americans had rights in SA.

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mrnotoriousman t1_ivqidee wrote

Did no one read the article?

> Carly Morris told relatives three years ago that she was planning to travel to Saudi Arabia for a brief period so that her eight-year-old daughter could meet her paternal grandfather. However, Morris then became locked in a years-long struggle to take her young daughter back out of the kingdom over the objections of her Saudi ex-husband.

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elezhope t1_ivr2rqr wrote

What exactly are you referring to. I don't see how this conflicts with what they commented?

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AnarchyinGroland t1_ivtt93h wrote

>She thought Americans had rights in SA.

When you say it this way that sound stupid.

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TonyJZX t1_ivozqjx wrote

well America is a vassal state of Saudi Arabia so that kind of checks out...

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AnarchyinGroland t1_ivttdzj wrote

>well America is a vassal state of Saudi Arabia so that kind of checks out...

Lawl. I'd rather say some US politicians are Saudi's bitches.

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mrnotoriousman t1_ivqiftn wrote

Try reading the article next time instead of being a jackwagon

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MaxMouseOCX t1_ivolbk7 wrote

American tourists screaming about their "rights" whilst not on American soil never fails to make me laugh; I'm not sure why they think their laws apply everywhere, maybe that's how they're brought up?

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BBsmoothLSD t1_ivopitd wrote

Hahah yeah people thinking they have rights, how hilarious… Glad you get a chuckle out of kidnapping :)

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MaxMouseOCX t1_ivowysc wrote

No no, it's funny that people think they have the rights of the country they're from... In a completely different country. Kidnap isn't funny, but then... I don't really know wtf she expected to happen.

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MECHA_DRONE_PRIME t1_ivpa8a0 wrote

She expected her autonomy as an adult woman who is free from her former husband would be respected, just as it would be in any western society. Try getting that through that skull of yours.

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MaxMouseOCX t1_ivpg8o9 wrote

>She expected her autonomy

Why would she do that knowing where she's travelling, that's stupid. Know the dangers of where you're going, what she did is like swimming with sharks whilst covered in blood.

>just as it would be in any western society.

Narator: it isn't a western society, see even you have the problem I just described above and said it was hilarious.. It really is.

>Try getting that through that skull of yours.

Are you... Mentally compromised?

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Karenomegas t1_ivpc48l wrote

But she traveled to the Kingdom of Saud. I wouldn't go there as a visibly trans person. Women aren't exactly much higher on the chain so to speak. They are just saying, we don't all get a black hawk down for traveling.

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MaxMouseOCX t1_ivpgfos wrote

I'm a white, straight male, but I'm an atheist... I wouldn't go there either so, I hope you take this in good spirit "neither of us pass there".

Plus I'm English, everyone hates us anyway lol. Here's life on hard mode, we both travel there, I'll wear some obnoxious atheist stuff on a tshirt, and you travel as my unmarried date.. Recon we could talk our way out of it?

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Karenomegas t1_ivph7hw wrote

I like to think there's an assumption of that lovely colonizer cash to the countries that host at least. Definitely notice a shift in dynamics in some places over others just the same. Also, hang in there, I dont envy your local ride either. Wild times.

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Satrina_petrova t1_ivoxqvv wrote

"maybe that's how they're brought up?"

Yeah, that's basically it.

In my experience,most people are brought up with the knowledge that we all have basic inalienable human rights.

Sadly we are not well educated enough to understand that those rights are not enforced in every country.

We're taught that everyone is basically the same, because we are all human after all, and so we assume that other humans will treat us as humans, just as we would them in our country. This is a dangerous assumption but I'm not going to victim blame.

I am going to advocate for transparency and education so no one else has to go through this terrible ordeal.

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MaxMouseOCX t1_ivp5zil wrote

Can't disagree with anything you've said here... But the world is dangerous, and living in a little bubble and trying to take it with you wherever you go is a recipe for disaster.

I can't talk much I'm English, I'm sure im naieve in some respects too.

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galactic_punt t1_ivonsxa wrote

Unfortunately, a lot of American business logic is that you should just give problematic customers what they want and our civics courses either leave something to be desired or don't exist in a lot of schools.

This engenders complete fucking morons who think "free speech" means they can just say whatever the fuck they want and nobody's allowed to tell them to be quiet.

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MaxMouseOCX t1_ivowpmf wrote

Yea that's pretty much what we see from the outside looking in, I get it, but it's still quite funny to behold.

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tommybutters t1_ivom0pd wrote

I'll never forget the confused woman in a Japan travel group on FB back in 2019 who couldn't seem to wrap her head around the fact she'd need to exchange money and places don't just all take American dollars.

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burningcpuwastaken t1_ivpb0a6 wrote

My neighbor's daughter is flying there today, with her daughter, to visit the father's family. The neighbor tried to convince her to do otherwise, but the daughter basically accused her of racism.

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Drak_is_Right t1_ivq0dw3 wrote

hope she isn't giving her daughter into slavery like the women in this article did.

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AnswerNeither t1_ivq4byt wrote

people are in a hurry to their destiny. dont worry too much about it. people sprinting to the end and nothing you can do

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Desdinova74 t1_ivpjv05 wrote

Well, as you know, bad things only happen to bad people. She's not a bad person, so everything will work out A-OK.

See also: people who get too close to wild animals at the zoo.

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1531C t1_ivpdy0h wrote

Tbh there's groups in the US that are deluded enough to think that the US is the worst country in the world for human rights... they really don't know how the world works.

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golovko21 t1_ivpj3sw wrote

The difference is we say we're the best country in the world and flaunt our freedom yet go out of our way to make our country worse. We look at theocracies and think "I want some of that" and then go vote for candidates that would poll well in those countries too (obviously different religion same basic fundamentalist ideas though).

Marginalizing and controlling women

Bringing religion into government and schools

Persecuting and disenfranchising the LGBT+ community

Waging war on poor people and minorities

The list goes on. While we aren't yet at the extreme degree of Saudi Arabia or Iran. We can still be critical of our own country and people in hopes we don't look to these theocracies for inspiration.

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hottlumpiaz t1_ivrljk5 wrote

san francisco and new york city being port cities are 3rd and 4th biggest hot spots in the world for human trafficking. a huge violation of human rights we tend to ignore

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Stargos-2 t1_ivrzkev wrote

Does that stat also include consensual prostitution? I've been noticing that people are getting charged with human trafficking for paying for sex with a prostitute.

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hottlumpiaz t1_ivs0q28 wrote

in the US. soliciting prostitution can get you charged for human trafficking yes. Because it's common for the more conventional human traffickers to bring in girls from Asia and Europe with legal visas with the promise of jobs and security but upon getting to the US have their passports and visas confiscated and the job is actually prostitution.

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Stargos-2 t1_ivs1sbs wrote

It does skew the stats though when you include all prostitution. It's like when politicians say there's a 100,000 child kidnappings every year when they are counting all the times a parent reports another parent of violating a custody agreement.

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WeBuyFetus t1_ivpea45 wrote

Just because others are worse doesn't mean ours aren't terrible too. Glad you're ok with "good enough" but the rest of us don't have to be.

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1531C t1_ivpg96o wrote

Seems you assume a lot about my personal opinions. Have a good day.

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Few-Bug-807 t1_ivpkqh0 wrote

You shouldn't talk about people scared of theocrats in the US without talking about theocratics in the US. There are Americans that would love to gut the 1st amendment and bring the US to a Saudi level of human rights.

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1531C t1_ivpwafl wrote

It's a reddit comment not a doctoral thesis my guy. Nuance isn't exactly required

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Few-Bug-807 t1_ivpyzmy wrote

But it is, explaining why people are so adamant in not sliding into theocracy Involves talking about people and politicians that do want/push a Christian ethno-state. It highlights why they're so energized not to regress and lose more rights.

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Few-Bug-807 t1_ivs4i29 wrote

Had an asshole ask about sources.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106290141/supreme-court-high-school-coach-right-to-pray

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/jul/02/us-supreme-court-religion-church-state-separation

https://www.salon.com/2022/10/27/mike-pence-says-americans-dont-have-a-right-to-freedom-from-religion_partner/

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Few-Bug-807 t1_ivs1rsy wrote

Roe was over turned, coaches pushing prayer and openly punishing players that don't pratisapate was green lit, the govern of Oklahoma just claimed he won the state for Jesus, Mike Pence is still lying about the separation of church and state. There's more but fuck that, you research Christian nationalists.

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mekese2000 t1_ivqgudz wrote

Peoples experiences in any country might vary greatly.

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TransCanAngel t1_ivs067p wrote

The US is the worst country in the world for human rights - amongst the countries that should know better and claim to be the land of the free, stand for equal opportunity, and justice.

It’s not that the US is the worst in the world. It’s the world’s worst hypocrite.

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AnarchyinGroland t1_ivttqu3 wrote

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Have you ever been out of Canada (Im not talking to a vacation resort, I mean lived elsewhere?)?

Because you sound first world as fuck, Toronto Girl (yup I assume you are from Toronto, with Vancou a close second)

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TransCanAngel t1_ivx2jzu wrote

You sound like someone who spends a lot of time on social media because he has no friends.

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AnarchyinGroland t1_ivy8scv wrote

Projecting eh ? Of course I have more friends than you, Im in Montréal !

Ahahaha you are fun. And a bit pathetic, first world girl.

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itachi81 t1_ivnts35 wrote

Damn that’s some “not without my daughter” type shit.

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immalittlepiggy t1_ivnu02i wrote

I remember watching that movie in school. It was the entirety of our coverage of Islam, good ol public school in a red state.

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twonkenn t1_ivo99ku wrote

You can call it an indictment of Islam or just the shitty people that run the countries there, but it is a true story.

Would you go there with your child under these circumstances?

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PuellaBona t1_ivq49kc wrote

I remember that movie. Scared the shit out of me. I was probably too young to watch it, but it was on lifetime. Sally Field was in it.

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curiousarcher t1_ivnx0sx wrote

I’m kind of amazed that women don’t know this already about traveling to the Middle East. This is not a surprise.

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DevCatOTA t1_ivpagl6 wrote

Back in the 1960s, in Germany, my mom told me she had a friend and an Arabic boyfriend of hers wanted to marry her. German authorities made it clear to her that if she married an Arab, and they visited his country, she would have no protections. This was explained to her when they went to get a marriage license.

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curiousarcher t1_ivq01g5 wrote

Yes, I have a similar story. So, my mom and I lived on a 1950’s cruise ship that was in repairs, as a venture to bring technology to Third World countries and the Captain of the ship was from Iran. She was invited to travel to the Middle East by him back in 1989. Fortunately she knew better and made sure that he was clear she would be going nowhere near there! He tried to persuade my very gorgeous, leggy, blonde mom for months! Lol we know how that would have ended.

Truly makes me wonder how many women have been trapped over there as sex slaves by nefarious men? Makes my stomach turn.

As an aside, if anyone is interested, this is the ship we lived on. It was the first ship made out of Germany after the war and the ship featured in the James Bond movie, From Russia With Love. Jeraldine Saunders who wrote the book, The Love Boat was inspired by her time on the vessel. It is the last of its kind. The rest of these ships from this era have been turned into razor blades and scrap metal etc.

https://youtu.be/6cToDiPefJk

https://youtu.be/Nn5gPueQVQs

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1531C t1_ivpef1p wrote

I saw vid yesterday from a vegan activist saying that the rights violations of cattle (yes cows) is worse than the holocaust. So I'm not surprised at all that some people are unaware that the US is still a bastion of freedom.

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[deleted] t1_ivnvzs7 wrote

And of course the US government won't put their foot down and demand her release because we have to keep the terrorists, er, the oil barons happy.

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w311sh1t t1_ivpc1vk wrote

I mean what’s gonna happen if we do that, the Saudis aren’t just gonna go “right away mister, we’re terribly sorry.” They’ll likely either say fuck off, or they’ll request some insane exchange, like asking us to release a known terrorist.

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harmospennifer t1_ivpvifx wrote

There have been movies made about this happening... what was she thinking? I feel for her and her child

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AnarchyinGroland t1_ivtt2jb wrote

Must suck to come from a country that don't give a fuck about its citizens getting sequestrated abroad.

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JohnPlayerSpecia1 t1_ivokhot wrote

she has no job and was probably offered a money reward to have her daughter brought in front of the grandparents.

This is a case of Islam custody battle where the ex-husband probably wants the daughter back and did not want to deal with the US system to get custody.

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[deleted] t1_ivqg5t8 wrote

Maybe we should send Trump over and he can take care of it like he did North Korea ?

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