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Damn that’s some “not without my daughter” type shit.

I remember watching that movie in school. It was the entirety of our coverage of Islam, good ol public school in a red state.

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And of course the US government won't put their foot down and demand her release because we have to keep the terrorists, er, the oil barons happy.

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I’m kind of amazed that women don’t know this already about traveling to the Middle East. This is not a surprise.

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Why the fuck would you travel there with your child knowing that women don't have rights there.

Your kid could have met her grandfather over video chat. How did she not realize this was a trap? Her mom tried to warn her.

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You can call it an indictment of Islam or just the shitty people that run the countries there, but it is a true story.

Would you go there with your child under these circumstances?

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And invest in residential solar and wind!

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She thought Americans had rights in SA.

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she has no job and was probably offered a money reward to have her daughter brought in front of the grandparents.

This is a case of Islam custody battle where the ex-husband probably wants the daughter back and did not want to deal with the US system to get custody.

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American tourists screaming about their "rights" whilst not on American soil never fails to make me laugh; I'm not sure why they think their laws apply everywhere, maybe that's how they're brought up?

I'll never forget the confused woman in a Japan travel group on FB back in 2019 who couldn't seem to wrap her head around the fact she'd need to exchange money and places don't just all take American dollars.

Unfortunately, a lot of American business logic is that you should just give problematic customers what they want and our civics courses either leave something to be desired or don't exist in a lot of schools.

This engenders complete fucking morons who think "free speech" means they can just say whatever the fuck they want and nobody's allowed to tell them to be quiet.

Yup amazing...

Hahah yeah people thinking they have rights, how hilarious… Glad you get a chuckle out of kidnapping :)

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Yea that's pretty much what we see from the outside looking in, I get it, but it's still quite funny to behold.

No no, it's funny that people think they have the rights of the country they're from... In a completely different country. Kidnap isn't funny, but then... I don't really know wtf she expected to happen.

"maybe that's how they're brought up?"

Yeah, that's basically it.

In my experience,most people are brought up with the knowledge that we all have basic inalienable human rights.

Sadly we are not well educated enough to understand that those rights are not enforced in every country.

We're taught that everyone is basically the same, because we are all human after all, and so we assume that other humans will treat us as humans, just as we would them in our country. This is a dangerous assumption but I'm not going to victim blame.

I am going to advocate for transparency and education so no one else has to go through this terrible ordeal.

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well America is a vassal state of Saudi Arabia so that kind of checks out...

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Can't disagree with anything you've said here... But the world is dangerous, and living in a little bubble and trying to take it with you wherever you go is a recipe for disaster.

I can't talk much I'm English, I'm sure im naieve in some respects too.

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She expected her autonomy as an adult woman who is free from her former husband would be respected, just as it would be in any western society. Try getting that through that skull of yours.

Back in the 1960s, in Germany, my mom told me she had a friend and an Arabic boyfriend of hers wanted to marry her. German authorities made it clear to her that if she married an Arab, and they visited his country, she would have no protections. This was explained to her when they went to get a marriage license.

My neighbor's daughter is flying there today, with her daughter, to visit the father's family. The neighbor tried to convince her to do otherwise, but the daughter basically accused her of racism.

I mean what’s gonna happen if we do that, the Saudis aren’t just gonna go “right away mister, we’re terribly sorry.” They’ll likely either say fuck off, or they’ll request some insane exchange, like asking us to release a known terrorist.

But she traveled to the Kingdom of Saud. I wouldn't go there as a visibly trans person. Women aren't exactly much higher on the chain so to speak. They are just saying, we don't all get a black hawk down for traveling.

Is there a happy ending for your mom’s friend?

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Tbh there's groups in the US that are deluded enough to think that the US is the worst country in the world for human rights... they really don't know how the world works.

Just because others are worse doesn't mean ours aren't terrible too. Glad you're ok with "good enough" but the rest of us don't have to be.

I saw vid yesterday from a vegan activist saying that the rights violations of cattle (yes cows) is worse than the holocaust. So I'm not surprised at all that some people are unaware that the US is still a bastion of freedom.

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>She expected her autonomy

Why would she do that knowing where she's travelling, that's stupid. Know the dangers of where you're going, what she did is like swimming with sharks whilst covered in blood.

>just as it would be in any western society.

Narator: it isn't a western society, see even you have the problem I just described above and said it was hilarious.. It really is.

>Try getting that through that skull of yours.

Are you... Mentally compromised?

Seems you assume a lot about my personal opinions. Have a good day.

I'm a white, straight male, but I'm an atheist... I wouldn't go there either so, I hope you take this in good spirit "neither of us pass there".

Plus I'm English, everyone hates us anyway lol. Here's life on hard mode, we both travel there, I'll wear some obnoxious atheist stuff on a tshirt, and you travel as my unmarried date.. Recon we could talk our way out of it?

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Happy endings are $50 bucks extra

I like to think there's an assumption of that lovely colonizer cash to the countries that host at least. Definitely notice a shift in dynamics in some places over others just the same. Also, hang in there, I dont envy your local ride either. Wild times.

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The difference is we say we're the best country in the world and flaunt our freedom yet go out of our way to make our country worse. We look at theocracies and think "I want some of that" and then go vote for candidates that would poll well in those countries too (obviously different religion same basic fundamentalist ideas though).

Marginalizing and controlling women

Bringing religion into government and schools

Persecuting and disenfranchising the LGBT+ community

Waging war on poor people and minorities

The list goes on. While we aren't yet at the extreme degree of Saudi Arabia or Iran. We can still be critical of our own country and people in hopes we don't look to these theocracies for inspiration.

Well, as you know, bad things only happen to bad people. She's not a bad person, so everything will work out A-OK.

See also: people who get too close to wild animals at the zoo.

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You shouldn't talk about people scared of theocrats in the US without talking about theocratics in the US. There are Americans that would love to gut the 1st amendment and bring the US to a Saudi level of human rights.

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They broke it off. So, yeah.

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There have been movies made about this happening... what was she thinking? I feel for her and her child

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It's a reddit comment not a doctoral thesis my guy. Nuance isn't exactly required

There is a damn fine reason I never want to travel overseas

But it is, explaining why people are so adamant in not sliding into theocracy Involves talking about people and politicians that do want/push a Christian ethno-state. It highlights why they're so energized not to regress and lose more rights.

But, but muh patriarchy. 🙄

Yes, I have a similar story. So, my mom and I lived on a 1950’s cruise ship that was in repairs, as a venture to bring technology to Third World countries and the Captain of the ship was from Iran. She was invited to travel to the Middle East by him back in 1989. Fortunately she knew better and made sure that he was clear she would be going nowhere near there! He tried to persuade my very gorgeous, leggy, blonde mom for months! Lol we know how that would have ended.

Truly makes me wonder how many women have been trapped over there as sex slaves by nefarious men? Makes my stomach turn.

As an aside, if anyone is interested, this is the ship we lived on. It was the first ship made out of Germany after the war and the ship featured in the James Bond movie, From Russia With Love. Jeraldine Saunders who wrote the book, The Love Boat was inspired by her time on the vessel. It is the last of its kind. The rest of these ships from this era have been turned into razor blades and scrap metal etc.

https://youtu.be/6cToDiPefJk

https://youtu.be/Nn5gPueQVQs

hope she isn't giving her daughter into slavery like the women in this article did.

It's not all one big monoturd out there.

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just limit yourself to 3 1/2 continents

I remember that movie. Scared the shit out of me. I was probably too young to watch it, but it was on lifetime. Sally Field was in it.

people are in a hurry to their destiny. dont worry too much about it. people sprinting to the end and nothing you can do

Maybe we should send Trump over and he can take care of it like he did North Korea ?

Peoples experiences in any country might vary greatly.

Did no one read the article?

> Carly Morris told relatives three years ago that she was planning to travel to Saudi Arabia for a brief period so that her eight-year-old daughter could meet her paternal grandfather. However, Morris then became locked in a years-long struggle to take her young daughter back out of the kingdom over the objections of her Saudi ex-husband.

Try reading the article next time instead of being a jackwagon

Better it was Biden than this guy:

https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/AP_17159386154465-1040.jpg?w=1040

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What exactly are you referring to. I don't see how this conflicts with what they commented?

san francisco and new york city being port cities are 3rd and 4th biggest hot spots in the world for human trafficking. a huge violation of human rights we tend to ignore

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Does that stat also include consensual prostitution? I've been noticing that people are getting charged with human trafficking for paying for sex with a prostitute.

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The US is the worst country in the world for human rights - amongst the countries that should know better and claim to be the land of the free, stand for equal opportunity, and justice.

It’s not that the US is the worst in the world. It’s the world’s worst hypocrite.

in the US. soliciting prostitution can get you charged for human trafficking yes. Because it's common for the more conventional human traffickers to bring in girls from Asia and Europe with legal visas with the promise of jobs and security but upon getting to the US have their passports and visas confiscated and the job is actually prostitution.

Roe was over turned, coaches pushing prayer and openly punishing players that don't pratisapate was green lit, the govern of Oklahoma just claimed he won the state for Jesus, Mike Pence is still lying about the separation of church and state. There's more but fuck that, you research Christian nationalists.

It does skew the stats though when you include all prostitution. It's like when politicians say there's a 100,000 child kidnappings every year when they are counting all the times a parent reports another parent of violating a custody agreement.

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Had an asshole ask about sources.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106290141/supreme-court-high-school-coach-right-to-pray

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/jul/02/us-supreme-court-religion-church-state-separation

https://www.salon.com/2022/10/27/mike-pence-says-americans-dont-have-a-right-to-freedom-from-religion_partner/

https://www.joemygod.com/2022/11/oklahoma-gov-claims-every-square-inch-of-the-state-in-jesus-name-to-battle-against-principalities-video/

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Must suck to come from a country that don't give a fuck about its citizens getting sequestrated abroad.

>She thought Americans had rights in SA.

When you say it this way that sound stupid.

>well America is a vassal state of Saudi Arabia so that kind of checks out...

Lawl. I'd rather say some US politicians are Saudi's bitches.

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Have you ever been out of Canada (Im not talking to a vacation resort, I mean lived elsewhere?)?

Because you sound first world as fuck, Toronto Girl (yup I assume you are from Toronto, with Vancou a close second)

You sound like someone who spends a lot of time on social media because he has no friends.

Projecting eh ? Of course I have more friends than you, Im in Montréal !

Ahahaha you are fun. And a bit pathetic, first world girl.