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mzivtins t1_jbwy2qe wrote

Comparing the atrocities of WWII against the Jews to an immigration bill was disgusting.

No one in the public sphere like celebrities should be allowed to trivialise the horror and suffering of people in order to make a political statement.

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Barmos t1_jbwzhhr wrote

He didn't, you tit.

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mzivtins t1_jbx0cs5 wrote

Ok, so saying something is Immeasurably cruel and saying its worded the same as policies in the 1930's Germany has nothing do to with the NAZI part and their policies around immigrants, the biggest group being Jews?

The guy is an idiot who is obsessed with being liked, just like all narcissistic celebrities (pretty much all of them)

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Barmos t1_jbx1kqc wrote

Mate, they're talking about sending people to camps in another country, that is slightly cruel, and has very unsavoury undertones. And to be honest he did say language rather than acts, very decisive rhetoric is being used to turn people against any sort of refugee or asylum seeker.

It's just your opinion if you think he's an idiot, I think your wrong, he has shown a great deal of understanding.

Final point, I don't think you know what narcissist means.

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Velvy71 t1_jbx8f39 wrote

I don’t think enough people have realised what is being proposed, your comment sums it up very succinctly

“they’re talking about sending people to camps in another country”

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Kientha t1_jbx2p2w wrote

The language used in 1930s Germany included the othering of vulnerable groups, scapegoating those groups, talks of an invasion and other similar rhetoric. The rhetoric used by the government includes the othering of vulnerable groups, scapegoating those groups, and talks of an invasion.

Lineker isn't even the first person to call this out. A Holocaust survivor wrote to Braverman in January asking her to tone down the rhetoric which she refused to apologise for and said would continue.

Now personally, I think comparisons to 1970s Italy would be far more apt, but the comparison isn't wrong just not the best fit.

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VonnegutGNU t1_jbx2805 wrote

They weren't immigrants, not anymore than the Turkish people in Turkey. Jews lived in Germany before Columbus ever set foot in the new world, and you don't call modern Caribbean people immigrants.

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Rogue_elefant t1_jbx09wk wrote

Your wilful misrepresentation of what was said is also kinda disgusting.

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Trips-Over-Tail t1_jbydcbd wrote

He wasn't trivialising it. He was boosting the words of Joan Salter, holocaust survivor, who has been saying this exact thing for weeks.

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RefanRes t1_jby13cf wrote

He didnt compare the atrocities of WW2 to the immigration bill. He mentioned the 1930s which was before the war began. He compared the language of the bill with that language that was used by the fascists in that time in order to start Germany toward their darkest path. The fact is that the Conservatives have been using the same mass manipulation tactics that helped Hitler climb to power. It doesn't mean that he thinks the Conservatives are as bad as Hitler but we should be concerned that they could manipulate their way into authoritarianism rather than democracy.

There are important lessons to learn from what happened in the 1930s in order to make sure that no country ever finds themselves even stepping close to that path. It didn't start with the Holocaust. It started with manipulative language, awful policies, gaslighting and villainising those who spoke against the Nazi party. This is exactly what the Tories have done since they came into power.

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soldforaspaceship t1_jbzc4yf wrote

You know what the victims of the Holocaust might have liked? Someone calling out dehumanizing language before the Holocaust happened. They would have liked it to never get that far. They wouldn't have liked people pretending everything is OK.

Do you know how I know this? Because an actual Holocaust survivor called out the exact same thing.

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Fordmister t1_jbzi2uk wrote

Mate the board of British Jews and the Auschwitz museum beat him to that comparison by over a month.... or are is the UK's biggest Jewish organisation and major holocaust memorial groups trivializing the holocaust now?

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