Submitted by Mamacrass t3_yep69w in nottheonion
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TellYouEverything t1_itz5byx wrote
That’s a limp-ass shotgun right there in their logo.
The whole place seems cursed.
TransformativeOne t1_itz68c2 wrote
There must be some strong stripping going on in there that results in two patrons dying.
Morepastor t1_itz85qi wrote
While I have empathy for his family the plaintiff was allegedly acting up, fighting in the bar and died as a result of being detained. I’m not sure bouncers or private security are expected to know these things. The bar sounds like a dive bar with boobs. There are plenty of higher end strip clubs in the area Colorado even has a strip club that is a “fine dinning” steak house.
As for the lawyer, if you ever find yourself in a card game with a stripper while being intoxicated you may loose a lot. Sounds like a complicated night.
What_its_full_of t1_itzeijf wrote
While I have no particular urge to shuffle off this mortal coil, I am now sorely tempted to see what's up at this club.
MyDudeNak t1_itzetiw wrote
Killing or hurting someone while detaining them very rarely absolves responsibility, it is why no one will stop you if you walk out of a big-box store without paying for example.
The bartender isn't going away for murder or anything, but it definitely seems valid to pursue a wrongful death settlement considering the circumstances (no bouncer at a dive bar? Tackling someone who is running? Chokeholds? These are rookie mistakes.)
bigbangbilly t1_itzi8jn wrote
I thought Shotgun Willie's was a gun store for the past few days.
Morepastor t1_itzjesz wrote
I don’t disagree but the ask isn’t likely the reality. I’m not an attorney but have been involved in cases like this where the intent wasn’t to harm but it happened. Usually the settlement they offer is close to what you may get in court after all things considered. Without intent or some sort of racism involved it’s not a $5m case. Even if he was a top retail executive how much was his lifetime earnings. That’s all I am saying, sad that he died. He made some poor choices that night and others did as well. I don’t think a bad heart is to blame. It’s likely that defense is being used as a precursor to get the outcome they want/can afford. If they prove he had a bad heart then the lifetime earnings would probably be less. Bottom line he should not be dead, the bartender should not be dealing with guilt and the family is likely getting told things by an attorney who thinks he has a George Floyd style case against this club. Basically going to be hurt one more time imho. Maybe strip clubs like that don’t have insurance. If your lawyer is playing cards with your strippers maybe they don’t.
My good friend was once hit by a taxi in NYC. Being head of his firm he decided he’d sue. The taxi company had seen it all and by the time the suit was filed the cab and it’s LLC had filed bankruptcy and moved the medallion. He got nothing but the trip to NY.
timojenbin t1_itzt7fo wrote
>I’m not sure bouncers or private security are expected to know these things.
Probably not relevant. And probably not the only angle for liability.
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IGotNoStringsOnMe t1_itzxm92 wrote
I know that I've probably just watched too many movies, but damn if that doesn't sound like they murdered that lawyer. O.O
IGotNoStringsOnMe t1_itzyv0j wrote
>it is why no one will stop you if you walk out of a big-box store without paying for example.
Meanwhile I've seen bouncers beat the shit out of people and literally throw them out of bars. IDK what the legal protections are if any for bartenders operating as their own bouncer, but actual bouncers seem to have a fair amount of confidence in working rowdy patrons over that's lead me to assume they have some amount of legal protection normal staff dont have.
Morepastor t1_iu00qr3 wrote
That’s why and who they suing per the article. I am sure there is more to it. The article did not go in depth. If you are on private property and breaking the law in Colorado they have the right to use force to remove the person. If the person is a threat to anyone else (he was) then they could use more force and the Castle Doctrine could even protect you if deadly force was used depending on the situation. Since they are in civil court and no charges seem to have been filed I think legally the force was considered justified? Involuntary manslaughter would be the criminal charge if not. I’m not a lawyer though.
IShouldBeWorking87 t1_iu04wbt wrote
Absolutely morbidly curious
generic_edgelord t1_iu05sg5 wrote
I mean there could be a veritable gun show in there depending on the clientelle
WoundedKnee82 t1_iu06avy wrote
Seems like a stupid question but why didn't they just call Long an Uber or Taxi?
>On the night Long [the lawyer representing the strip club] died, he shared drinks and played cards with a woman employed by Shotgun Willie’s as an entertainer, according to a local CBS affiliate.
>The entertainer reportedly perceived Long to be “extremely” intoxicated. Another employee began taking him home before bringing him back, to let him sleep in his car.
Because they killed him you say? Makes sense to me!
phunkydroid t1_iu083dq wrote
Their own lawyer?
chocobrobobo t1_iu0fz23 wrote
Seems to be a purposeful part of the design, as well as "Willies". Very phallic, which is fitting.
TricksterWolf t1_iu0hsz5 wrote
Willie should be more careful with that shotgun of his.
TricksterWolf t1_iu0hvu2 wrote
"fitting"
ICWYDT
acartillo78 t1_iu0noo3 wrote
I'm not familiar with key law. Is it anything like bird law?
sharrrper t1_iu0semm wrote
From what I gather the first guy died after getting into a fight and getting tackled by a bouncer. The lawyer died after just getting severely wasted.
Pending any additional evidence sounds like two completely unrelated incidents other than the unfortunate overlap in location.
nothansff t1_iu0wusm wrote
Knew too much about dem titties
blacknyourma t1_iu0xec1 wrote
they must have great cocaine
chocobrobobo t1_iu10e3s wrote
That's what she said
PHARA0Hbender t1_iu14hmo wrote
As a Denverite, this is the most on brand thing for Shotgun Willies imaginable to happen. The place, like most strip clubs here, especially the ones on Colfax are known for shootings and other nefarious deeds like drug dealing and other gang activity. The reason amongst others why they keep shutting down. Places get wild here.
sinisteraxillary t1_iu196zy wrote
Only one way to find out...
Postmortal_Pop t1_iu1fc1b wrote
I hear the act is to die for.
Reyemreden t1_iu1l34m wrote
It's not giving me any good vibes, it makes me think that I wont find the strippers very attractive.
chocobrobobo t1_iu1mpf3 wrote
What are you, an inner city boi? Out here you wag a tail at anything without a stick tween it's legs. Only thing is that shotgun already blew it's load.
lounge_l1zard t1_iu1mzmd wrote
nottheonion is on fire this afternoon. First I see the anti-helmet lawyer died on a motorcycle without a helmet. Now this!
There is something poetic here...
Elrigoo t1_iu1qz8q wrote
They both died of poor life choices at the same titty bar.
Dracotaz71 t1_iu1rbh3 wrote
Been there, Nice place actually. Not so great neighborhood. I was a bouncer at another club for a few years in the Denver area. Colorado law ensures all bouncers/bartenders take classes every 6 months on self defense and how to handle most situations including violent ones. We were all trained how to detain a person, mostly wrist-locks and arm holds, never choke holds. Always top concern for everyone's safety... including the drunk idiots looking to brawl.
GetlostMaps t1_iu1s0do wrote
Repost #47
No-Combination-1332 t1_iu1v8t6 wrote
Those lap dances must be to die for
M1K3jr t1_iu1xf86 wrote
A lifetime ago I was a private investigator, conducting surveillance on a stripper that worked at SW's... this was like early 2000's. It was surreal.
Her claim originated in a lower-rung establishment in Colorado Springs, where she resided. We didn't know where she worked/went during the daytime.
She'd drive to Denver like she was on her way to deprogram a nuclear device, and time was running out. We're talking close to 100mph thru the gap (slang for the sucky drive between Colorado Springs and Denver) It took a couple tries and multiple investigators in different vehicles on mobile surveillance to track her to SW's (working while collecting on workers compensation).
Then I had to go inside with covert surveillance cameras to document her physical abilities/activities.
I distinctly remember going to the men's room to check my cameras and etc. A normalish middle aged man walked in, walked towards the wall opposite the door. Stopped about a yard shy of the wall, puked on the wall, did a pretty decent 'about-face' and walked right back out. He remained in the club.
The whole thing was horrible and terrifying. I was certain I was going to be beaten to death by the bouncers.
No one made me. Got evidence, got the Frick Out.
LilSpermCould t1_iu1ytul wrote
This is the "good" strip club in Denver.
TricksterWolf t1_iu21ra9 wrote
I know, I literally just said it :V
UniverseInfinite t1_iu22rx2 wrote
What was the motive for hiring you?
big-bootyjewdy t1_iu25mfv wrote
Seems like insurance fraud on worker's comp
M1K3jr t1_iu261uz wrote
Suspected fraud against workers compensation
Fourbits t1_iu26yh2 wrote
Why would they kill their own lawyer?
Nokneemouse t1_iu2ixte wrote
> The deaths of Long, 70, and Wright have landed Shotgun Willie’s in the media spotlight about five years after it drew public ire for displaying a sign that read “Toxic Masculinity Welcome Here”.
Charming.
Blue_Trackhawk t1_iu2j8dn wrote
I don't wanna get blasted by a stripper's floppy shotgun...
Reyemreden t1_iu2jf7f wrote
I'd rather it be floppy than hardened.
pinecity21 t1_iu2kfto wrote
That's double barreled Peyronie's
Another_Rando_Lando t1_iu2o883 wrote
Ya gotta wonder if it was pro bono work
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billyMfQindamix t1_iu2wtqp wrote
I love Shotguns 🦍
Caveman108 t1_iu2yks9 wrote
Nah, they’re just usually violent assholes that get employed to do what they love. Known more than a few, mostly in the Chicago area. Couple I’ve met had done time for assault, one went away for homicide.
barry_thisbone t1_iu374xy wrote
Shotgun Willie's is wild. Every year on Valentine's Day they host a "fat girl twerk-off" if that gives you any idea what type of establishment this is
GOLDANDAPPELINC t1_iu3n1xy wrote
Thing about the Gun Club, is it's in the club, if you know what I mean. Starting trouble there's a bad idea. Four or five big guys with no necks will regulate the situation.
GOLDANDAPPELINC t1_iu3nf4g wrote
The Gun Club is... definitely that kind of place. Glendale is that kind of place. It's not a suburb, it's an enclave for... reasons.
DrGonzo138 t1_iu3vjk7 wrote
For a place that "welcomes toxic masculinity here", not surprised to hear of multiple deaths. What a shithole.
big_juice01 t1_iuaydpg wrote
“Justice delayed is not justice served.” — tell that to Ken Paxton who was indicted over 7 years ago and still doesn’t even have a trial date set.
24-Hour-Hate t1_iubpqqd wrote
Actually, there's another reason why they wouldn't. Over service. In many places, including Colorado, it is not legal to keep serving drinks to someone who is visibly intoxicated (and you don't go from appearing perfectly sober to "extremely intoxicated"). It puts a bar or other establishment at risk of serious fines, loss of license, etc. as well as liability for any injuries caused to third parties (and family members probably count). So they wouldn't have wanted anyone to see that he was that drunk because it would have been proof of illegality.
Mamacrass OP t1_itz4gqn wrote
This story is full of crazy nuggets:
> Listening to arguments for four hours, the presiding judge, Peter Michaelson, reportedly sighed, cradled his head in his hands and rubbed his face as he listened to a chain of events unlikely to have much precedent in American jurisprudence.
> Wright, a 48-year-old Kroger executive, was at Shotgun Willie’s in the Denver suburb of Glendale on 2 May 2019 when he fought with another man and got into a chase through the club, BusinessDen reported. Wright died shortly after being tackled by a bartender, Derek Hendricks.
> On the night Long [the lawyer representing the strip club] died, he shared drinks and played cards with a woman employed by Shotgun Willie’s as an entertainer, according to a local CBS affiliate.
> The entertainer reportedly perceived Long to be “extremely” intoxicated. Another employee began taking him home before bringing him back, to let him sleep in his car.
>Staff members checking on Long every few minutes noticed he wasn’t breathing and called 911, the CBS affiliate reported. Paramedics brought Long to hospital, where doctors pronounced him dead.
> The deaths of Long, 70, and Wright have landed Shotgun Willie’s in the media spotlight about five years after it drew public ire for displaying a sign that read “Toxic Masculinity Welcome Here”.