Submitted by FeedTheOx t3_yl7cq3 in nottheonion
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JustLikeAmmy t1_iuwydog wrote
Come on, man! Tell these people how totally okay it is these natural predators are friendly! Maybe they could use a banjo instead of paintballs? /s
weauxbreaux t1_iuwyvla wrote
Wow... obsessed with me much?
psychecaleb t1_iuwyxb0 wrote
Policy makers think: shoot tame wolves, they become wild wolves
Reality: shoot tame wolves, they become revenge wolves
attorneyatslaw t1_iuwz2tj wrote
This is as poorly thought out as the previous plan to shoot cheeseballs at them to make them more tame.
JustLikeAmmy t1_iuwzgva wrote
No but I definitely remembered how stupid you were lmao
weauxbreaux t1_iux2xp8 wrote
Likewise.
Then you mention me in a thread that proves the whole point I was making (that a predator can become unafraid of humans for reasons other than being directly fed by them or being rabid).
Get over yourself and get a life.
Ragtime-Rochelle t1_iux36ht wrote
Yeah let's shoot paintballs at this apex predator capable of biting through a moose femur to solve this terrible problem of it being too tame and friendly to me. Dumb.
ThymeNspace t1_iux3dwm wrote
And they're probably going to become really good at Capture the Flag.
Lackof_Creativity t1_iux4ugq wrote
everything you wrote before "Dumb" does not provide any support for your final conclusion...
are you saying shooting paintballs at these wolves will make them MORE tame??
Ragtime-Rochelle t1_iux577d wrote
No. I'm saying do not shoot the wolves unless they are attacking you. Being too tame is not a good reason. If you so this you deserve to get mauled both for your stupidity and being cruel to animals.
Chasman1965 t1_iux5dsc wrote
It's a pretty good idea. Associate humans with negative things, and they will avoid humans. This is the exact opposite of feeding them.
Amiiboid t1_iux9xw6 wrote
My state department of environmental protection recommends shooting bears in residential areas with paintballs for the same reason. It’s harmless but annoying, so they will go someplace less annoying.
MacaroniEast t1_iuxc3n7 wrote
In other news: Dutch wolves confused as to why their prey keeps managing to avoid them!
WantedMan61 t1_iuxe2d6 wrote
I'm just shocked to discover that there are wolves in The Netherlands.
Lackof_Creativity t1_iuxfguz wrote
you sound quite dismissive. perhaps you can look into the topic of conservation a little bit.like even for 2 minutes. both for animals and plants there are some measures that humans undertake that (maybe) at first seem slightly counter-intuitive yet are appropriate to save species and promote a healthy ecosystem.
so for example with your pleasant example of me being mauled, what do you think then happens? yes. then you have wolves going up on the priority list of things that wildlife keepers are meant to start killing. oh and then the number of wolves goes down. and so then you (with your intelligence) have contributed to the number of wolves decreasing in the wild. and oh wow. you managed to achieve the opposite of what you actually wanted.
does that sound particularly smart now? i hope you understand that paintballs may be better than actual bullets....
gandraw t1_iuxfp65 wrote
If wild animals get too tame, they start foraging near towns and will eventually attack either farm animals or people. You have to make them afraid of people so they stick to the forests and wild deer.
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GetlostMaps t1_iuxl81j wrote
Because this is quite a reasonable idea with solid science behind it.
GetlostMaps t1_iuxlhbd wrote
Perfectly reasonable, scientifically backed, not oniony at all.
CowFckerReloaded t1_iuxn589 wrote
Why would they want the wolves to be less tame?
SelectiveSanity t1_iuxn5s5 wrote
I believe that's the point.
the_clash_is_back t1_iuxpf6w wrote
Its like shining a spot light on the meth head that’s pooping in your lane way. Harmless, annoys them, they poop on the next street over
the_clash_is_back t1_iuxpmyl wrote
Because this is a good idea and often used for animal conservation.
The wolves associate humans with food right now, so you shoot them with paint balls ( painful but harmless) they now associate humans with getting a blue butt. They avoid humans.
semiomni t1_iuxsg5z wrote
And the end result of them becoming too comfortable around humans is them being put down, which makes a few paintballs seem a lot more merciful.
AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuxtimq wrote
Where the hell did you learn that? Jesus christ
iFeedOnSadness t1_iuxxy0x wrote
So that the wolves avoid getting close to people.
Josh-Baskin t1_iuy0coa wrote
Like with anything, you just have to find the right cheeseball/paintball balance.
golem501 t1_iuy0e2k wrote
It would have been nice to shoot the "nature loving photographers " who flocked to take pictures. I don't think anyone fed the wolves but they did show them but to be scared.
attorneyatslaw t1_iuy1b0b wrote
John Wick?
Mr_Paper t1_iuy1n7d wrote
The potential for an annual, televised game of CtF between a team of people and a team of wolves is making me think we're in the best possible timeline.
AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuy1qbn wrote
You've been watching "The Grey" too much.
Mr_Paper t1_iuy1tbv wrote
They blend in between the tulips in Spring, mostly
Queen_Cheetah t1_iuy98sv wrote
...I mean, I guess the colors will make them look less 'lame'- or was that not a typo?
Altruistic-Goose5114 t1_iuyate1 wrote
Somehow I feel like that's going to lead to a lot of bear maulings.
QuestionableAI t1_iuybalv wrote
If they think of humans as potentially dangerous, wild animals will usually skirt any potential contact.
Lubberworts t1_iuybzc2 wrote
>This is as poorly thought out as the previous plan to shoot cheeseballs at them edam to make them more tame.
Fixed it.
artaig t1_iuycasn wrote
That what I said we should do in Spain. Newer generations of wolves and bores are loosing their fear of humans. Spain has the biggest wolf to area ratio in the NW; they are attacking dogs and other animals next to the house while people are around. Either we scare them or soon they will start taking on kids and the elderly.
Pudding_Hero t1_iuycpc6 wrote
The article said there were only 20 adult wolves left in the Netherlands. That’s pretty fucking rude considering
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Severe-Cookie693 t1_iuye2wy wrote
That would be a novel turn of events.
Severe-Cookie693 t1_iuyeb3k wrote
Not everything oniony has to be bad.
mortalwombat- t1_iuyeg1m wrote
I live in an area with a bear problem. A wildlife vet I know makes a really strong case for hazing bears.
Severe-Cookie693 t1_iuyf5m3 wrote
This is pathetic. Why are you trying to start a fight with a stranger on the internet?
Honestly, and this is a question for you to ask yourself, not answer: why did you make this post?
standardtrickyness1 t1_iuyfg5y wrote
Stravven t1_iuyfh41 wrote
Between somewhere around 1880 and 2019 we didn't have wolves in the Netherlands at all. So their population is growing.
Stravven t1_iuyfnmi wrote
We don't have moose here.
The wolves are too tame, and at the moment associate people with being fed. If they use paintballs it will teach them to stay away from humans.
AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuygjh5 wrote
Well that's about tiger's, don't think it applies to wolves....but what would I know living and hunting the northern fortest of Saskatchewan, Canada.
CowFckerReloaded t1_iuygysh wrote
Paintballs hit hard enough to leave welts, not great to be hit by one unsuspectedly like these wolves.
mattstorm360 t1_iuyirf9 wrote
There is also that elephant. Not a wolf but yeah.
AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuyivgv wrote
And my mother in law
HeiharuRuelyte t1_iuyj4hc wrote
Underrated comment
sc_surveyor t1_iuyk151 wrote
When we were kids a buddy shot his granddaddy’s prized bull in the balls with an acorn. That bull became immediately and permanently un-tame.
Prinzka t1_iuyl6hu wrote
Yeah last I heard they'd gone extinct a while ago
Nkechinyerembi t1_iuym1s6 wrote
https://dogtime.com/trending/32731-stray-dogs-take-revenge-mans-car-kicked-friend Well, there was that pack of dogs that ripped up a guys car after he kicked at a pup
AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuym3tb wrote
AmeriToast t1_iuyqjpa wrote
Then it was a success?
dogsledonice t1_iuyqqrk wrote
Pretty sure my dad did this to me when I was a teen, same reason
Tiny-Being-538 t1_iuyt89j wrote
Call of the Wild agrees.
imnota4 t1_iuyz5sa wrote
Damn you talk about your mother in law like that?
AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuyz88k wrote
Don't judge until you've met her lol
imnota4 t1_iuz0h6d wrote
DebiMoonfae t1_iuz121v wrote
Motherfuckers
How about you just don’t t feed then and you shoo them away when they come close?
Paint balls fucking hurt, assholes.
CrawlerSiegfriend t1_iuz1ana wrote
This sounds like a family guy episode.
Healthy-Upstairs-286 t1_iuz1eda wrote
If you want to make them angry make them pay taxes.
TheVentingMachine11 t1_iuz3grx wrote
Don't know the specifics with Netherlands but for as long as they're wild they will depend on themselves for food and that means they'll hunt more which also means diversifying wildlife more.
TheVentingMachine11 t1_iuz3odf wrote
Dumbass
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Aderondak t1_iuz46ny wrote
Wolves do have a 100% chance to retaliate on hunt, so that makes sense. Just make sure there's some chunks in the way for partial cover.
Drusgar t1_iuz4rrx wrote
>they will just dislike humans
That's the idea.
FrozeItOff t1_iuz6fnk wrote
No, dislike as in, "Bite when see." not "Run away because I'm afraid of them."
HeWhoMakesBadComment t1_iuz7qa1 wrote
I bet I wouldn't have to dig too far into your post history to find you saying "trust the science"
MrValdemar t1_iuz9yhd wrote
A) How do you get the bears to drink that much tequila?
B) How do you convince the bear to put the pillow case on its head?
C) Who in the hell is going to get close enough to a shit faced bear wearing a pillowcase so they can smack it on the ass with the cricket paddle?
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bigbangbilly t1_iuzhwc7 wrote
Well the alternate timeline plan involving Rocky Mountain Oysters is going/got weird.
You know what, alternate presents tenses is kinda weird like how side voting compares to up and down votes
randybob275 t1_iuzi5rr wrote
About tiger's what?
AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuzjpgp wrote
Read the link that was posted, about man eating tigers.
Gyoza-shishou t1_iuzpiok wrote
Pretty sure wolves and tigers have about the same size brain? Shit domesticated cats have less object permanence than dogs iirc
Gyoza-shishou t1_iuzpvkw wrote
Wouldn't we just be redoing dogs anyway if we keep feeding them? I don't see the harm in that?
EarthenEyes t1_iuzshre wrote
Don't. Don't ever do that. You leave those wolves alone and let them be good boys
squashkbc t1_iuzzgh7 wrote
The point is to make them afraid of humans. These wolves are not really tame, they're unafraid of humans, which means that they are more likely to attack humans. This can be especially dangerous for children.
squashkbc t1_iuzzk6t wrote
From the article:
> According to a report published in June there are around 20 adult wolves living in the country.
nenzark t1_iv04bz4 wrote
There’s going to be a John Wick wolf among them, god help us all.
Vast_Back4746 t1_iv04iut wrote
"We have won, but at what cost?"
Robert_Denard t1_iv04sar wrote
Dutch paintballers
KittenKoder t1_iv053pp wrote
In this case it could mean the difference between their extinction or survival. People are stupid, very stupid, and empathy wins a lot against intellect.
If the wolves are all tamed, then other wildlife will over populate, really fast. Things like rats, that carry deadly diseases.
cool-beans-yeah t1_iv054uf wrote
halisme t1_iv05doa wrote
Yes, that is part of the idea.
Xaphhire t1_iv05lnz wrote
They've only come back a few years ago and are now considered settled again. But they're not afraid of humans and have been approaching them in the natural parks where the wolves live. This is how dogs happened, lol.
Ka-Shunky t1_iv07hg8 wrote
Bored-Viking t1_iv0atom wrote
Dutch entering the conversation.. Real reason here, we are getting sick of all the vague/long distance social media post of people claiming to have spotted a wolve (there were no wolves in the Netherlands for the last 300 years up until 4 years ago.)
So by tagging them with red/green/blue dots we finally know which ones are wolves and which ones are just big dogs
So yes Aunt Karen, stop sending us pictures from the neighbours chihuahua climing that you don't dare to go into the backyard because of the wolve
Mike_Honchos_Fluffer t1_iv0bbhu wrote
This plan is being enacted by the British government
newbikesong t1_iv0bcno wrote
Most animals would not understand that humans are the ones who throw paintballs.
Can wolves understand that?
Gamingenterprise t1_iv0chus wrote
for context the people in charge of the forest (de Veluwe) hate the wolves and tamed them on purpose so they would come to close to people (so they would bite someone) the same people have been lobying for years that they can shoot the wolves (with actual bullets) so imported sheep wont get eaten by the wolves
the wolves are so tame they have been seen coming as close as 3 meters away from people (not bothering or being aggressive but still to close for the safety of people who walk through de Veluwe)
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i hate that they have to take this option but i do understand
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but I'm more in favor of just putting the people in charge on trial and leaving the wolves alone and to stop those basters from feeding them
Snizl t1_iv0cxgh wrote
Usually pack animals are smarter than solitary ones, so id expect wolves to be smarter than tigers.
Snizl t1_iv0d403 wrote
Well there is a reason most civilized countries are pretty keen on not having stray dogs around.
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Gamingenterprise t1_iv0de55 wrote
jezus thats sad af
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evillman t1_iv0f47l wrote
Isn't disliking humans good for nature?
humanesadness t1_iv0j31f wrote
Since like 5 years. They used to be hunted down around the 1960’s i believe but they migrated back 5 years ago
Hetterter t1_iv0ki79 wrote
They can learn to associate humans with the pain yes
CatHammerz t1_iv0lovh wrote
You may be underestimating the intelligence of animals :P
If they wont learn about it, they will for sure connect seeing humans and pain.
newbikesong t1_iv0miyp wrote
Dogs fail mirror test though.
There was actually a very similar topic of discussion.
Dogs seem to fail it unless trained. Though I see no experimentation like mirror test.
CatHammerz t1_iv0of75 wrote
If they don't understand the concept of it, dogs are still able to associate humans with security and food. And I guess shooting paintballs can be considered as teaching, although it sounds brutal.
We still know very little about how brains work, and determining how intelligent an animal is can be a bit difficult.
And keep in mind, these results can vary wildly in the same group. A common example is crows and ravens. I think studies have even concluded that they are actually semi conscious, although we dont know to which extent. Some unfortunate people have even found themselves harassed by groups of them for years after hurting one of them.
Dont fuck with them, I guess.
Kinker_01 t1_iv0oo7f wrote
WallabyInTraining t1_iv0rxwo wrote
You want them to avoid humans.
Duracted t1_iv0vyja wrote
Wolves have a natural fear of humans leading them to avoid them. A few years ago, norwegian researchers published a study of all known wolf attacks over the past few decades, which found that after rabies habituated wolves (i.e. wolves used to humans/wolves fed by humans) are responsible for most of the attacks on humans. So deterring wolves is actually one of the best ways to prevent human-wolf conflict. Especially since rabies is virtually eradicated in the Netherlands.
TaischiCFM t1_iv19nxa wrote
I was kinda wondering this. I couldn't imagine there were wolves in the Netherlands.
Imagine headlines like: 'Zeeland in terror after a pack of Zaamslag wolves seen prowling reformed churches'
trivial_vista t1_iv1hlyr wrote
Exactly dogs also are much smarter as cats, no idea where the "Cats are smarter as dogs!" come's from
BrightLilyYT t1_iv236i5 wrote
Ah yes, because making wolves kill humans is a good idea /j
Severe-Cookie693 t1_iv2czud wrote
What does the mirror test actually test?
I've made eye contact with my pets in the mirror, they didn't get freaked out that there where 2 of me.
Dogs also don't go by vision as much as smell.
The test is also based on ego, which is not the same thing as intelligence.
newbikesong t1_iv2f1ft wrote
You put a paint or some other patch onto the animal's forehead and show them a mirror. If they realize themselves in the mirror, they will touch themselves in that spot.
Very few animals seem to notice themselves in mirrors. Great apes including humans, elephants, dolphins, some birds and very few fish.
Dogs never pass the test. We tend to humanize them but they are not really smart animals. They seem to have no capacity of conceptualization.
Helixranger t1_iv2fl48 wrote
To prevent wolves from being a danger to humans, we potentially provoke them to attack humans instead?
Idk about how effective that plan is.
CowFckerReloaded t1_iv35ote wrote
This really sheds more light on the root of the issue, I wouldn’t have guessed previously cordially human-interacting wolves were more likely to attack.
Venemao73 t1_iv3yws7 wrote
You know probably a lot more about wolves than us Dutchies, since we’ve got them back pretty recently. There must be around 100 wild wolves in the Netherlands and they keep attacking our sheep and other cattle. FYI: The Netherlands is the size of Vancouver Island but we are with 18 million.
semnotimos t1_ivbxchk wrote
As a general rule, if you can apply an emotional state to a human being, you can apply it to an animal.
semnotimos t1_ivbxwd4 wrote
Dogs are smarter than cats, but this is probably a consequence of cats' success as solitary hunters- they never had to reason more than "sneak up and pounce." You'd be hard-pressed to find an animal better at killing than a cat of a given size range.
trivial_vista t1_ivc2sco wrote
that is true, not in a good way as cat's here eat up pretty much anything that flies, would it only be rodents it's all good to me (they also grab them rest assure)
AltruisticTrade720 t1_ivc8oqq wrote
To a degree
JustLikeAmmy t1_ive4dq0 wrote
Who said anything about directly fed? I said fed, not directly fed. Getting food from humans even indirectly is STILL BEING FED BY HUMANS AND CAUSES WILD ANIMALS TO BECOME TAME. This is a fact and all the downvotes and banjos in the world aren't going to make that fact incorrect (keep em coming too i got the fake internet points to spare), and you know what? That's ok! It's ok to be mistaken bud, happens to the best of us.
JustLikeAmmy t1_ive4fkj wrote
It's sad i remembered something? Strange qualifier.
Guaire1 t1_ivecfmc wrote
Wolves are likier to kill humans if they are "tamed", since they get closer to them, this way they will keep their distance
weauxbreaux t1_ivey76k wrote
This person did: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/yftxzo/comment/iu56qh6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Which is what I was countering and arguing against, the whole time. That particular statement does imply that the people in the house are directly giving food to the fox.
I never argued against the concept that you are stating, in fact I stated the same thing (https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/yftxzo/comment/iu56qh6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) . So what are you going off about? Aren't we in agreement here? "Wild animals tend find extra food in places humans live in, and when the humans behave in a non threatening manner the wild animals become unafraid of humans." You will find no arguments from me there.
I'm not concerned about reddit karma but I am a bit concerned about your well being. Are you doing ok? You are chasing around a random stranger on the internet to start/continue an argument about semantics, weeks after our initial interaction. We are in basic agreement but you so desperately need to be "right" and need someone else to be "wrong" that you are doing this. Find some friends, find a hobby, find a therapist.
Wizecracker117 t1_iuww72u wrote
This isn't going to end well.