Submitted by TheDoctorOf1977 t3_10nphd9 in nottheonion
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BaconIsAVeg2 t1_j6buj5t wrote
Right? The amount of software engineers I've worked with who couldn't even manage to Google common errors is astounding.
I don't need you to know what MYSQL ERROR 53024 is, but for fucks sake at least Google it before you come to me saying "It doesn't work."
TunaOnWytNoCrust t1_j6c5ej0 wrote
I work in IT and this is the realest shit right here lol.
Question 1: Did you try anything at all? Like a single common sense troubleshooting step? Yeah I didn't think so š
polarassassin t1_j6c8v2c wrote
this is pretty much what chat gpt does for you and i hate that everyone is amazed
its like having someone that knows how to properly use a search engine find and summarize what you ask and it fails at that too
its given me wrong answers for things ive asked and when i tell it its wrong it just doubles down because it does not understand fact vs opinion it just gives you the most relevant data it has and says "that's the answer you want"
at least when i search for things myself i can omit results from certain websites and im lucky enough to know i need to check against multiple sources to validate what im reading
most of the people amazed and "abusing" chat gpt think its a futuristic and magical tool when really its pretty simple and incredibly dumb in its current state
it is not a calculator math is a very straight forward language where you have a right answer and many methods in your toolset to arrive at them and generally equations are structured in specific ways and so are the answers to them
other things like writing essays is a lot more nuanced and its very obvious when its "in your own words" or not especially to someone like a teacher who spends hours and hours out of the years analyzing your vocabulary and writing style
Marshall_Lawson t1_j6igyx8 wrote
> when i tell it its wrong it just doubles down because it does not understand fact vs opinion it just gives you the most relevant data it has and says "that's the answer you want"
In my experience, it apologizes for the mistake, and then when you ask to update (rewrite) the product incorporating the new information, it's even odds whether it will make the desired change, ignore it completely, or make a new different mistake.
Infernalism t1_j6a5nit wrote
Would be simpler to just cut back on essays/papers and just test students on the content, in class.
Nightcat666 t1_j6ait31 wrote
Just do what we did in my AP world class and do in class essays. You would be given the prompt at the beginning of class and would turn in the essay at the end of class.
tacoman333 t1_j6bqsms wrote
That sounds like absolute hell. How long were the essays?
Nightcat666 t1_j6bsu4o wrote
Couple pages. 5-6 I think was average but they weren't super strick on length as long as you answered the prompt properly. It was also all hand written as well.
tacoman333 t1_j6byi0h wrote
That's straight out of one of the school related nightmares I used to have as a kid.
Writing 5-6 pages by hand during a single class period. My god... The only time a student is supposed to be doing that is if they procrastinated until the day the essay was due.
Coffee_nomnom t1_j6cyx5t wrote
I mean the tech exists to allow them to type. Hand writing that much would miserable for hands not accustomed to it.
ironballs24-7 t1_j6e2arc wrote
Right there with you - AP history/English team taught class in HS. Block scheduling meant I had that course 90 minutes a day for an entire school year. At least 2x 60min essays per week, 2-4 pages hand written.
For all you kids out there just remember 5 things: Intro, social, economic, political reasons, and close it off with a nice quote in a closing paragraph.
Hated it at the time, but so glad I did it!
FlatSpinMan t1_j6coihe wrote
If youāre going to do essays or any kind of writing, I think this is the only way to do so, if you actually want to assess how well the kids write (Iām especially thinking in an ESL context).
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jlaw54 t1_j6e6s5n wrote
Or change the way we look at learning and educating.
zaphrous t1_j6bl5rc wrote
One argument is that chatgpt is the new calculator. Or computer. Being able to use it is a skill that could put you at competitive advantage. So there may be a balance. Beyond just using it is cheating.
yaroto98 t1_j6bnxxj wrote
Or new google/wikipedia. Quote it and state it as your source. It'd be even better if the AI would return its sources with its responses. I personally used it as a brainstorming tool with a self-evaluation at work recently. It's a useful new tool, banning it isn't the answer.
Bar_Sinister t1_j6btfdf wrote
And it's weird, because ChatGPT doesn't really help of the students don't understand what's it's handing them as answers. It's like using a calculator before you learn the basic principles of math. We all use calculators, but we understood addition and multiplication first.
Since ChatGPT is probably going to move to a paywall status (which means students with money will still use it but rest of the kids will actually have to learn) it won't be the scourge they think it will be, but the still are going to have to develop new teaching models. Education isn't just getting to the right answer, but if I remember the phrase correctly, "showing your work."
Burstar1 t1_j6cn362 wrote
>We all use calculators, but the education system made sure we understood addition and multiplication first.
FTFY
First year courses, where the critical goal of the class is to ensure the student understands the concepts (for example of how to write an essay), should not allow AI to write their assignments. Once these core skills have been learned and demonstrated I see no issue using ChatGPT and the like. If and when it fucks up you know better and can fix it and are responsible if you don't, just like in the real world.
chang-e_bunny t1_j6dbls4 wrote
Thanks. Even I remember thinking how stupid some kids were for complaining about learning how to multiply and divide the old fashioned way when it was much easier for them to just push a few buttons on a calculator. If you (and all of society) has no concept of the fundamentals, then you're just gonna be a dumb monkey getting the wrong answers out of a calculator just like ChatGPT is a dumb AI that needs a human to understand the fundamentals. There's so much human curation that goes into making AI look smart, and the humans need to be smart enough to do the damned curation.
klekaelly t1_j6bq1sn wrote
I think ChatGPT will soon go behind a paywall, just as Github Copilot did.
Also, just skim through Brainly.comās live questions popping up. Lots of students have no idea what is going on with their work. I wouldnāt be surprised if cheating isnāt already rampant
Mashdash10 t1_j6b1lp7 wrote
My university is saying to use it too, like helping my coding classes and less being stuck, and honestly it helped me
Kind_Bullfrog_4073 t1_j6b42fh wrote
Students have been cheating online since Sparknotes and likely before. ChatGPT's just more efficient cheating.
CaptainJackVernaise t1_j6bjy88 wrote
The cat is out of the bag, and it isn't going back in. My partner is taking an open approach to ChatGPT in an attempt to teach her students to effectively use it as another tool in their toolbox.
Guideon72 t1_j6btdvt wrote
āDefend your positionā. š
jlaw54 t1_j6e6l2i wrote
Why is this not the onion?
AI is here and it isnāt going anywhere. The ship has sailed and the box is open. There were people wailing about similar issues when it came to google and the early internet 20 years ago and we somehow survived.
Teachers need to be fluid and teach in the confines of reality and look where society is going.
AI is the future of humanity. Anyone claiming itās going to be the end of our species seems to be underestimating humankind and overlooking our resiliency. Every generation has people that decree x will be our downfall. Then people explain to them that x isnāt going to end us. Then the person wailing about x says, āyeah, but THIS time itāll be different.ā Are we so sure about that?
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FriendsOnAPowDay t1_j6dv8fx wrote
Simple solution would be a return to hand written and scantron forms
Crooked_Cock t1_j6fg3dq wrote
āAnd when Iām retired from teaching and Iāve had my fun, Iāll get the school to use ChatGPT in regular curriculum so that EVERYONE can be a cheater, and when everyoneās a cheater, no one will be.ā
tahlyn t1_j6fs99h wrote
Where does one access and use chatgpt by the way? I know nothing about it other than the buzz going on around the internet.
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S-Vagus t1_j6au7xi wrote
Everybody is everybody because nobody knows what to validate or how to be collaborative.
I'll just do it for everyone, shall I?
rdkilla t1_j6avsr9 wrote
he hass adopted open ChatGPT policy so people still pay for higher education
TunaOnWytNoCrust t1_j6bn7bz wrote
The ability to find and validate answers through research and inquisition is way more important than memorizing individual facts.