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bloomberg OP t1_jcyh13h wrote

From Bloomberg News reporter Fola Akinnibi:

The New York City Police Department has exceeded its overtime budget by almost $100 million and it is on pace to break a 10-year high for spending on extra hours for officers.

Before taking office, Mayor Eric Adams pledged to reduce the NYPD’s overtime spending by half in his first year by deploying officers more efficiently and reducing the number on duty at parades and other events.

Yet, the NYPD has spent $472 million on officer overtime through February, exceeding its budget by $98 million, according to a report from New York City Comptroller Brad Lander. The final tally will be much higher because the fiscal year ends June 30. Lander’s office said the department is on pace to spend $740 million, which would be the most in a decade.

“If New York City had unlimited cash, it would be lovely to allow teachers unlimited overtime to stay afterschool to help every kid learn to read, or social workers unlimited shifts to help counsel New Yorkers struggling with mental illness,” Lander said in a statement. “But other agencies aren’t allowed to show total disregard for their overtime budget, and we can’t afford for the NYPD to do so year after year.”

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BKEDDIE82 t1_jcyp7c5 wrote

Does anyone believe anything Adam's says?

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shant_jan t1_jcyrbox wrote

honestly at this point i'm surprised that the NYPD hasn't tried to spin this into a bragging right

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Rottimer t1_jcyrrok wrote

Performance theater to make people “feel” safe costs money.

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Grass8989 t1_jcyvwhh wrote

How much of this overtime is due to the NYPD facing unprecedented resignations and being 1000+ officers short of their budgeted headcount?

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pk10534 t1_jcz4py4 wrote

Replying to Grass8989 (#2,280,909)

I’d assume 100% of it lol. I don’t know when cities are going to realize that overtime is far more expensive than just hiring additional employees; maybe it’s just a political Will thing or something

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Cachesystem t1_jczcpm4 wrote

When are we going to realize that the candidates for mayor are fucking horrible. Who was the last guy? Mayor of Blasio? Now this schmuck is fucking things up and lying about it too. Fuck! Who is going to defend this guy for fucking us in the ass?

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pk10534 t1_jczd4ec wrote

Replying to HendrixChord12 (#2,281,988)

Well, I don’t know NYC’s exact figures, but let’s say we live in RandomCity and pay our officers $20/hour, which would be $30/hr for overtime. We have two choices: we can either hire a third officer, or ask our two officers to take 2 extra shifts a week. Let’s see the monthly costs for each:

Officer A

Base pay: $3200

Overtime: $1920,

Officer B

Base Pay: $3200

Overtime: $1920

Total monthly cost: $10,200

Total hours worked: 56 hours/week + 56 hours/week = 448

————————————

Officer A/B/C

Base Pay $3200 x 3

Total: $9600

Total hours worked: 480

Over the course of the month, by having officers take overtime rather than filling a position, we’re actually spending more money and getting fewer hours worked. Sure, there are other expenses related to personnel - health insurance, pensions, etc. But even on a tiny scale of 2-3 officers, we’re already seeing savings of almost $1000/month and an extra 40 hours of street patrols. Now multiply that to fit NYPD’s personnel numbers of over 30,000 and as you can imagine, those savings will probably grow insanely larger. Another issue is those missing hours add up - somebody has to patrol or do paperwork or respond to calls. So those officers might have to pick up 3 extra shifts a week now. And the disparity and savings grow and grow. Overall it just doesn’t make a lot of fiscal sense to keep shoveling overtime money out, because it typically results in less efficient work for more money

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Milkshake_revenge t1_jczhcrr wrote

Replying to Grass8989 (#2,281,169)

But don’t they still have like 36,000 uniformed officers? 36,000 cops in 300 square miles. I mean sure there’s gonna be some extra overtime if they’re understaffed by 1000 but I can’t figure how that amounts to $100,000,000 in overtime for 1 year.

Edit: I forgot I was in /r/nyc when I questioned something about the police. Next time they spend my tax money without explanation I’ll praise it.

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Meatmylife t1_jczheqp wrote

First They need to raise the salary with NYPD , Second they need to have better train , Third build are better relationships with community . It hard to attract people to join NYPD when your base salary is low and you have to work alot OT and risk your life and have bad relationships with the community.

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d0ggyd0g t1_jczho06 wrote

Everyone should know that 90% of cops are sick of the forced overtime.

In the NYPD, almost all overtime is forced. Ask any cop. I have 2 friends who left the job because of forced overtime, they did at least 75 hours of forced overtime a month and had no life because of it.

The real reason is upper brass and our governor and mayor don’t care about how your money is being used and don’t care about cops and don’t care about them not having a life. We have no accountability for where our money is spent in the NYPD and that is the major problem.

Just look at the forced overtime on cops standing in the subways. Ask them if they want to be there. You will get the answer of “fuck no” 99% of the time.

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pk10534 t1_jcziiwr wrote

Replying to MillennialNightmare (#2,282,491)

Again, I don’t know NYPD’s specific pension numbers or how specifically they budget, but like most pensions it’s not just a bank account, it’s invested. It’s not just a flat bank deposit that never grows. And not every officer is going to stay for 20-25 years. Some may stay for 10 and then move to Long Island, for instance.

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Alternative_Arm1926 t1_jczium9 wrote

“DeFuND tHe pOlICE” really just ended in officers quitting or moving and now we have an even worse situation than we started with 😂

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Silo-Joe t1_jczj8lq wrote

The NYPD could’ve used the money to fund Robocop

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d0ggyd0g t1_jczjs7z wrote

Serious question, part of the problem is how unattractive the job is salary wise, why doesn’t the government raise it?

For example, a city like Seattle police has a pay salary of $109k; while NYPD is at $85k, NYC definitely makes way more money than Seattle but can’t offer the same? Why is that? If the NYPD was hiring for $109k I can definitely see people applying, minus before forced for crazy amounts of overtime their entire career.

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BakedBread65 t1_jczkaci wrote

Didn’t they push more officers into the subway and create more overtime for them?

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GrapplerBJJ t1_jczkh9q wrote

Hope so, exhausted of working 12 hour tours every day....but it's a huge doubt. Transit Bureau can't cover all transit stations platforms and ride the carts....and we're always short. NYPD is the stepping stone for most aspiring officers, get the experience and jump ship...unless you know a chief to get into a specialized unit.

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Grass8989 t1_jczkhfw wrote

Replying to d0ggyd0g (#2,282,687)

That would make sense, but progressives would have a fit, so instead we force the current cops to work inhumane amounts of overtime and start them at $42k in the most expensive city in the country.

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oreosfly t1_jczljjb wrote

Replying to pk10534 (#2,282,212)

Like any other job, there’s also an unquantifiable morale cost when it comes to forced OT. If you are actively looking for OT then it must be great to get paid time and a half for all this extra time. If you don’t want to revolve your life around work so much, you may be inclined to quit, and it can cost quite a bit to hire and train new people.

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pk10534 t1_jczlwnp wrote

Replying to oreosfly (#2,282,839)

Excellent point. I don’t want tired, overworked people with guns on the street either. And especially if they have families or just value fee time (I know I sure do), that’s a deterrent

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omnomnomnium t1_jczmvwv wrote

Oh, great, the NYPD gets to exceed its overtime budget, and Adams cuts funding to parks, libraries, and school.

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Agitated_Jicama_2072 t1_jczqx4l wrote

I love how incredibly useless pigs are but teachers actually provide a true public service AND CANNOT GET OVERTIME.

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bittoxic00 t1_jczrbni wrote

Maybe, and correct me if I’m wrong, they could just back off policing. In 2017 they did it as a way to ‘punish’ the city but it had the opposite effect. We could police less, use the money for services, and enjoy a greater quality of life

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team_suba t1_jczrbxv wrote

Replying to d0ggyd0g (#2,282,687)

The problem really isn’t salary, well top salary at least. Any cop will tell you that once you reach top pay you are going to be well over 6 figures even with minimal overtime. All city agencies make their money in overtime, it’s no secret. So how much you make as a cop is entirely up to you. But even bare minimum will be over 100.

The problem is eating shit for 5 years until you get to top pay. And the raise increments are very back loaded so you really don’t start seeing anything meaningful until year 4. And there’s a huge percentage that don’t even make it that point for a bunch of different reasons. That’s why when you look at average salary it’s so low. But if you look at someone who’s been in nypd for let’s say 7-10 years (go ahead out there name in on seethroughny.com and test if you’d like) their salary will be over 125k guaranteed.

Regardless, salary is not the reason why the nypd is an unattractive job. Just look at how people treat and feel towards police. You can join any other city agency, make just as much, work less/ not as hard, and not be hated by your community.

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_neutral_person t1_jcztdhd wrote

Replying to Grass8989 (#2,282,753)

The low starting salaries were fought for by the union veterans at the expense of the younger POs. Maybe this was a gamble to slow recruitment, create a shortage, and then demand raises on the lower end while retaining salaries for higher ranked officers.

Maybe it's time to cut salaries at the top and give it to the officers at the bottom.

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markyymark13 t1_jcztlgk wrote

Replying to Grass8989 (#2,282,753)

A majority of cops here in Seattle are making well over $100K. The city has done everything from hiring bonuses to paying them crazy salaries to the point that many police officers here some of the highest paid public employees.

And despite all that, we're still really short of police officers. So maybe pay isn't the end-all-be-all solution many think it is. Have you considered the idea that people simply don't want to be a cop? At least not in its current form?

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_neutral_person t1_jczvp67 wrote

Replying to pk10534 (#2,283,398)

Exactly the issue. You are under estimating the cost of healthcare and pension.

Pension is paid into a fund per officer. Invested or not, it's a cost. With 20 years retirement and an excellent pension plan, it's going to be expensive. Then you have healthcare. Post covid essential services with good healthcare costs have risen almost 33 percent, once again per officer.

An officer doing OT saves the PD money. It also offers flexibility for when they don't need officers.

You can argue it's because of the shortage but the NYPD has been abusing OT for decades. This is not new.

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hortence1234 t1_jczyrdr wrote

They got cops in every train station, everyday on overtime. What do you expect?

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Jimmy_kong253 t1_jd05b3p wrote

You can have massive overtime but if nothing happens when these cases go to court or the defendant gets a slap on the wrist. You really are just wasting money

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Objective_Guard_4357 t1_jd074mv wrote

Replying to hortence1234 (#2,283,806)

Lived here my whole life, was in the neighborhood when pat Lynch and his retard kids kept flashing guns all over the place. Saw all the dumbfuck racists from my class sign up for the NYPD and make the same kind of posts you do. You wanna talk stupid, look at the NYPD and their force of undereducated thugs.

I’m sure minorities are cramming for cops like pat Lynch to police their neighborhoods.

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screenaholic t1_jd0i7ev wrote

Replying to bangbangthreehunna (#2,280,918)

I started the process of joining NYPD about a year ago, I thought with all I heard about them being so understaffed it would be a quick process to at least get into the academy.

About a year later, I still haven't even secured my seat in the academy. It took me less time to join the army, from first contacting the recruiter to finishing infantry school.

People have mentioned all the issues with mass quitting and not enough people wanting to replace them, but in don't think people realize how long and difficult the process is for those of us who do. The whole things a mess.

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chargeorge t1_jd0lil3 wrote

Legit, we have some of the highest police spending per capita in the country, and we have lots of efficiency since officers don’t need to spend a ton of time driving around, and we have relatively low crime. I don’t understand why we have such high overtime needs. My instinct is it’s officers prepping retirement but other comments indicate officers don’t like it either. We need something like the transit cost project for cops.

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TeamMisha t1_jd0qja8 wrote

You can't magically eliminate OT when you're short staffed and forcing officers to go on extra tours to police the subway instead of the MTA police doing it

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ITEACHSPECIALED t1_jd0txag wrote

Meanwhile teachers have to beg for one or two hours of OT each week to complete tasks that they cannot complete during the workday because we have so much other BS to deal with.

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sdotmills t1_jd17d72 wrote

Replying to Objective_Guard_4357 (#2,284,372)

> Saw all the dumbfuck racists from my class sign up for the NYPD and make the same kind of posts you do …I’m sure minorities are cramming for cops like pat Lynch to police their neighborhoods.

Live here your whole life and don’t understand the majority of the NYPD is made up of minorities. So much ignorance.

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sdotmills t1_jd17m9d wrote

Replying to Agitated_Jicama_2072 (#2,283,162)

Uhhhhhhhh teachers get summers and holidays off along with winter and spring breaks. You want OT for people that work 185 days a year? Our teachers are incredible people and deserve great pay but wtf are you talking about with OT?

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rvbcaboose1018 t1_jd19fdk wrote

Replying to Milkshake_revenge (#2,282,499)

36k officers but divide that by 3 8 hour shifts, meaning at any one time theres about 12k officers out on the streets.

Then you have to factor in special details like the subway one right now, special high profile events like sports, and then the fact that 12k at any one time is the max and that number goes down with officers on vacation, sick or just on a normal day off which they get 2 of per week. That means that at any point theres only about 9k officers working.

As for money, Overtime is 1.5x the hourly rate. For normal rank and file thats like $60 an hour. More for sergeants and supervisors. That kind of money adds up quickly.

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Agitated_Jicama_2072 t1_jd1bv8h wrote

Replying to sdotmills (#2,286,820)

🤣🤣🤣🥱🥱🥱 And most teachers work more than 40 hours a week, have second jobs, and work during the summer to afford to live in or near NYC.

Y’all always have the same stupid shit to say and don’t understand that this isn’t 1950 right? The wage of teachers has not risen with inflation nor with their level of education (master’s for most) and cost of living.

Pigs barely even need to have a fucking diploma or any advanced degree.

STFU.

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sdotmills t1_jd1ck1h wrote

Replying to Agitated_Jicama_2072 (#2,287,072)

Average person works 260 days a year assuming a 5-day work week, that’s 2,080 hours. So if teachers work 55 hours a week they still work less than the average person. OT for someone who gets off an average of 75 days (15* working weeks!) a year more than the average working person without even considering vacay days is a laughable proposition.

You’re not informed enough to have this discussion. 😂 😂 😂 🥱 🥱 🥱

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stewartm0205 t1_jd1gyl6 wrote

The denser a city is the cheaper it should be to patrol. Cops should be distributed based on crime rate and what is going on.

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allthecats t1_jd1iz7y wrote

Meanwhile this fucking administration wants to cut funding for our libraries. DEFUND the police!!!

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magnetic_yeti t1_jd1jy0g wrote

Replying to NetQuarterLatte (#2,284,347)

This just shows NY does more than the other cities, and has the revenue to match. Additionally, because we’re dense we can do more and have the tax base to match. We spend $1,300 per person on policing, just based on the budgeted amount of $10.9 Billion. That’s an absurd amount per resident.

LA spends $3.2 Billion, or $1,000 per person. And LA is sprawling so they don’t get the benefit of density and two officers covering a small territory. LA just does less so has a much smaller budget. I don’t think highways come out of LA’s budget at all, and that’s got to be a bigger share of transportation spending than in NY.

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Buddynorris t1_jd1lpwf wrote

Replying to testcyp76 (#2,287,365)

I think you lack reading comprehension no offense. This is a TOP 25 MOST DANGEROUS JOBS LIST, meaning any of these jobs are dangerous by nature. Also, like I said above, danger does not alone equal death. Everyone and their mom says the same regurgitated info, without even understanding it to begin with. fascinating stuff.

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fireblyxx t1_jd1vzsa wrote

Replying to Thinktank58 (#2,288,147)

Yes, given that there aren’t enough cops to be everywhere at once and the presence of the cops isn’t necessarily going to deter random acts of violence.

Plus cops end up posted by the turnstiles looking to ticket fare jumpers than be on the platforms doing fuck-all.

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fireblyxx t1_jd1w8yl wrote

Replying to TeamMisha (#2,285,643)

For all the complaining the MTA and the state do, you’d think we’d get new turnstiles that were harder to fare beat, but that costs money so let’s have cops at the station forever spending a shitload of money to keep them posted there.

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aja09 t1_jd27nov wrote

Adams isnt the brightest lightbulb … we all know that.

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testcyp76 t1_jd2d0ku wrote

Replying to Buddynorris (#2,287,658)

"That's actually not true. The part about it being one of the least dangerous jobs."

I think my reading comprehension is fine. The opposite of least, is most. This list (and many others like it), show policing is not nearly as dangerous as police unions would have you believe. It's true, danger doesn't necessarily correlate directly with death, but it's a large part of it. Firefighters have an inherently dangerous job because of the high rate of injuries and things like smoke inhalation.

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Crimsonwolf1445 t1_jd2na7r wrote

Replying to Grass8989 (#2,282,786)

I would assume it still counts towards the budget as that has been the only consistent long term overtime since october.

At the rate they have been ordering the transit overtime i doubt the allotted funds could cover it all for this long

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Objective_Guard_4357 t1_jd2o4ge wrote

Replying to sdotmills (#2,286,794)

And? This is a widely known fact. The department still has terrible community relations in minority neighborhoods. How are you gunna have a force made up of minorities and STILL have the public image the department has.

Like when Pat Lynches son pulled a gun on his Latino neighbors and proceeded to Accuse them of being Trinitarios.

Grew up around cops my whole life, I can keep namedropping shitheads who get protected by their brothers in blue.

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SinisterWink t1_jd2vhal wrote

Meanwhile, the mayor's office seems to be cutting overtime for the other city agencies

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Brgvnti t1_jd2x39c wrote

Replying to chargeorge (#2,285,330)

I’m on the job and don’t like overtime. Sometimes it’s nice and most of the time it sucks. The overtime money is nice, but I value my time off and rather spend my time with my wife, family, friends etc. then doing overtime. Nobody on this job likes to get voluntold to do overtime when we have families and life outside of work. I believe the majority of this overtime is from transit overtime they make us do.

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scream4cheese t1_jd31hwn wrote

Replying to Evening_Presence_927 (#2,284,851)

Yeah because it makes so much sense about what you said. The largest police dept in the country in the biggest city in the US has the lowest number of police involved shootings compare to other departments. But wait, that’s none of your business, right?

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ArcherXIII t1_jd35ssp wrote

He lied to everyone who voted for him but no one cars because “I need mah police and safety!”

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Crimsonwolf1445 t1_jd3dzr9 wrote

Replying to sdotmills (#2,291,019)

They realized early on they fucked up by mis reading but its waaaaaaaay too late to back down on an argument they have been foolishly making for years most likely. Now they are just gonna double and triple down or ignore replies

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Buddynorris t1_jd3oqs7 wrote

Replying to testcyp76 (#2,289,058)

You still don't get it. OUT OF ALL JOBS, IT RANKS 22 ON THE TOP 25 MOST DANGEROUS, just because a logger is more dangerous doesn't make policing not dangerous. Very easy to understand.

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_jd4btjg wrote

Replying to sdotmills (#2,286,760)

Says the guy regurgitating fascist talking points. The only reason you’re upvoted is because subs like this are filled with conservative brigaders

Please show me proof that minority police officers lower the rates of police misconduct.

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sdotmills t1_jd4c3o2 wrote

Replying to Evening_Presence_927 (#2,294,207)

Let me check off getting called a fascist on my daily Reddit bingo card. I’ve been in this sub over a decade bro, not everyone who disagrees with you is a brigader. They’re upvotes, don’t take them so seriously it’s bizarre.

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sdotmills t1_jd4f6ym wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,294,416)

Been here 10 years longer than you and I’m brigading? Should learn to live with differing viewpoints, you sound like a child calling everyone you disagree with a fascist. Based on your post history you live in a WILD echo chamber.

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scream4cheese t1_jd6o0rn wrote

Replying to Evening_Presence_927 (#2,294,159)

It’s public information. Every time there’s a police involved shooting, the media is all over it. Each and every day, all you hear is people getting shot or stabbed. People killing each other. Where’s the protest the against the violence in the community? Kids can’t get out of school without getting shot at or stabbed. People can’t go out to the corner store without getting shot by before a nearby gang shooting because of some silly grudge. People can’t go to work on the train without seeing fights in the train car.

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