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SoulfulYam t1_it1wzhl wrote
People have been acting like children throwing temper tantrums ever since COVID. I've lost all my patience for people exhibiting this behavior.
v_for__vegeta t1_it369i2 wrote
And that’s just COVID, not to undermine or reduce its severity. But could you imagine the fucking all out chaos in case something truly lethal hits.
SoulfulYam t1_it3aymh wrote
That would literally be a historically disaster. I don't think it's any hyperbole to say that people's mental health right now is quite possibly the worst it has ever been, especially for young people (myself included). I'm really scared what the future will hold when so many of our brains are just straight fucked.
CaptAshley t1_it0r2ps wrote
Sadly these awful occurrences have always been a part of NYC.
carolyn_mae t1_it0ru5n wrote
Idk man. Prior to Covid, it took 25 years to reach the number of people killed in the subway. We hit a new record in just 2 and a half
CaptAshley t1_it0sv8y wrote
Oh agreed. I’m not debating the numbers and know majority of the fault lie with the NYPD engaging in a ”soft strike” since the George Floyd protests. Followed by the loss and lack of support systems for people forced out of the economic rat race.
I was just lamenting how crime has always been with us. Folks haven’t lost their minds, law enforcement and politicians have stopped doing their jobs.
HamWatcher t1_it71pyg wrote
NYPD arrests are up across the board month over month across most precincts in the city.
Rebel90x t1_it16d9h wrote
ah yes, blame it on the NYPD. dont even stop to think about how leftist democrats created and support the current system that lets criminals back on the street.
crunchybaguette t1_it176nh wrote
Let’s be real. This is a result of compromises by both parties. The idea of defunding the police was supposed to lead to increasing mental health, rehab, and housing projects. Instead we’re left with demoralized police and people that need help that are left to rot on the street. Not saying that there isn’t anything done for them but the homeless are being used as political puppets on a national stage. Fuck the politicians on both sides of the aisle and fuck Adams.
snowdrone t1_it180jw wrote
Putting together a thoughtful plan for mental health, rehab and housing projects will take awhile, if ever. It was easier to appease the "defund the police" crowd in the short term, and anyone who opposed that was deemed a horrible person, so here we are.
mybloodyballentine t1_it1bytf wrote
But the NYPD’s budget grew. It’s bigger than ever. That’s the opposite of “defunding”.
snowdrone t1_it1czeh wrote
Well, in practice, their political support shrank.
mchavvy t1_it233k6 wrote
So your reply is basically. “In theory I was right. In practice I’m wrong because you provided concrete evidence that shows I talk out my ass.”🙄
snowdrone t1_it2xj3q wrote
I didn't think of this discussion as a contentious debate. I didn't know that their budget grew. Would you agree that the police have been doing less w/ regard to street/subway crime in the past year? If their budget grew, it seems like less value for money.
mchavvy t1_it3ii9g wrote
Which is just another reason to defund their budget. Yet you pointed out that’s just an action for appeasement.
You would be served well by putting down the Post and reading some good investigative journalism.
snowdrone t1_it3j5h3 wrote
I don't read the post. At the same time, I don't think DeBlasio was good for nyc. I am unclear on if you think that the NYPD is better or worse after his term.
HamWatcher t1_it72vw8 wrote
Their budget didn't grow - it was reduced by over a billion dollars in 2020. It was increased this year, which is what he is probably talking about, but not back up to pre-2020 levels. Additionally, they lost qualified immunity and can be personally sued for arresting people, even legitimate arrests. Furthermore, new rules were put into effect to make it much harder to arrest a resisting criminal. For instance, if they both fall to the ground and the officer lands on top, he is breaking the rules and a lawsuit against him may be successful.
Despite all that, and contrary to the original premise of this comment chain, arrests are still up month over month across the city. The cops aren't on soft strike and are making arrests.
The guy you are talking to is either lying on purpose or an idiot. Hard to tell.
crunchybaguette t1_it4gohp wrote
If you don’t know then what are you arguing?
snowdrone t1_it4n9b2 wrote
My comment literally said "I didn't think of this discussion as a contentious debate". People can just talk about things, you know?
Grass8989 t1_it1aw4c wrote
Bingo.
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Rottimer t1_it1dcyy wrote
Where are you getting that statistic?
the_baumer t1_it3cyj1 wrote
In the article linked to this post
Rottimer t1_it3rgun wrote
It’s nowhere in the article linked to this post, which only speaks to this specific incident.
QuickRelease10 t1_it2x11q wrote
2020 definitely broke us as a society. It’s definitely noticeable even in day to day interactions with people.
Between the election, COVID, protests, etc. It just seems like we’ve lost our collective minds.
carolyn_mae t1_it2x8w0 wrote
Yes and just to be clear, I am referring to the USA as a whole, not just nyc. You really need to move to rural Vermont to escape it.
root086 t1_it0jwkn wrote
Yes. We all have lost our minds to some extent. COVID had more of an effect on mental health compared to physical health
nonlawyer t1_it0kmmn wrote
> COVID had more of an effect on mental health compared to physical health
Over a million people died in the US alone wtf is this nonsense lmao
bammerburn t1_it0kycr wrote
Republicans pretending 1 million deaths didn’t happen, and everybody else just losing their minds.
SakanaToDoubutsu t1_it2m3hg wrote
Say the average person who died from COVID-19 was 50 years old and lost about 25 years of life, that 25 million years of lost potential. By comparison the US population is about 360 million, and effectively lost a year of our lives from 2020 through 2021, thats 360 million years of lost potential. Which was worse in the grand scheme of things?
NashvilleHot t1_it2vay6 wrote
False equivalence if I ever saw one
tuberosum t1_it2uzk6 wrote
Still the dead, because they'll never get to experience anything ever again.
You spent a year doing indoor things, baking bread and hanging out with friends on zoom instead of at a bar...
williamwchuang t1_it3fg8p wrote
Why are you comparing the two numbers? You're acting like everything would be normal despite a global pandemic if only the government did not do anything.
ctindel t1_it175uc wrote
Yes but realistically high tens if not hundreds of millions suffered mental health consequences.
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quakefist t1_it1hlp1 wrote
Not enough people died. Nature tried to get more.
DoNotWeepAtMyGrave t1_it1ltnl wrote
It’s not over yet….
lupuscapabilis t1_it2fy7q wrote
The whole time we’ve had people screaming about how it’s affecting mental health, only to be met with “shut up and fall in line.” It’s not like everyone wasn’t warned.
ShoeRunner314 t1_it17kae wrote
Probably a psychological talking point that I’m not confident on, but I’m sure someone more knowledgeable can elaborate on this.
Learning someone pushed a person infront of a train would encourage the thought of others to copy. Similar to how school shootings have grained into the American society in the recent years; guns have always been accessible, but the thought of shooting up a school 30 years ago was unheard of.
QuickRelease10 t1_it2xwkg wrote
Also inaction, both by society and political institutions, essentially makes it an acceptable outcome.
School shootings and random attacks on public transportation should never be tolerated in a civilized society.
TeamMisha t1_it2taun wrote
I would say worse than children. Covid made many people detached, psychopathic, and lose the little respect for human life they had. Look no further than the massive uptick in reckless driving we've seen.
damnatio_memoriae t1_it6604x wrote
dont know if data backs it up but it definitely feels like covid made things worse -- but it also felt like it started a few years before that.
Nostromeow t1_itbwhaq wrote
One thing that I wonder about, is why these attacks seem so common in NYC ? It’s probably amplified by the media but it seems that I read about a new attack every week. I live in Paris and the subway isn’t the safest place but attacks like this are extremely rare in comparison, or so it seems. I mean you will definitely get yelled at for no reason by a weird crackhead, it’s a rite of passage… But I wonder why violent attacks seem to have surged in NYC subway post pandemic. Is it lack of security personnel ? Lack of mental health services/support in general for marginalized people ? Both ?.. I’m genuinely asking because I really don’t understand, why now, what’s going on ?
Unique_Bunch t1_itd6r8s wrote
Look in to the actual numbers behind it. It's true that it's not as safe as it was in recent years, but the rate at which the attacks have increased is not even close to the rate at which mass media is publishing news about it.
Nostromeow t1_itgqpqo wrote
Yeah that’s what I figured, that the media was focusing so much on it that it seemed to happen much more than it actually does
Aggravating_One4823 t1_it442p1 wrote
Observationally, the person being rushed around interprets it as disrespectful or as aggression. I think what happens is people spend time in the can and know fights typically start with someone bum rushing them. Then we disperse them into a congested city that never sleeps. I think it is more likely to be a pervasive byproduct of a horrible criminal justice system than it is to be caused by COVID. You never hear of people who were normal pre-COVID doing these things. We’re predisposed as humans to blame COVID because that enables us to think these issues will solve themselves on their own when they keep getting worse. If you notice, people only ever blame COVID for non-medical issues they don’t want to resolve.
Desterado t1_it0soud wrote
Yeah nobody got in fights before 2020…..
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Hummus_ForAll t1_it0d03y wrote
I hate this city so much sometimes because of stories like this. I know, I know “it can happen anywhere” but these random, unprovoked subway attacks are just so cruel and tragic day after day.
ER301 t1_it3fncl wrote
How was this unprovoked? Were they not fighting over a cellphone?
Nostromeow t1_itbw1mf wrote
One thing that I wonder about, is why are these attacks so common in NYC ? It’s probably amplified by the media but it seems that I read about a new attack every week. I live in Paris and the subway isn’t the safest place but attacks like this are extremely rare in comparison, or so it seems. I mean you will definitely get yelled at for no reason by a weird crackhead, it’s a rite of passage… But I wonder why violent attacks seem to have surged in NYC subway post pandemic. Is it lack of security personnel ? Lack of mental health services/support in general for marginalized people ?.. Both ?..
PBM1337 t1_it3kclq wrote
You’ve been triggered by the nypost, eject and go outside for some fresh air.
Some guy trips and falls into the tracks and pulls himself back up, dusts himself off smokes a cigerrete and leaves.
NYPost: NYC MTA platform brutally trips innocent passenger falling 50 ft on the tracks with f train going 100mph almost severes his head with minor injuries and scuffs.
Gdott t1_it4vzuu wrote
So we’re not supposed to be upset about someone being pushed on the tracks (for the 1000th time) because it’s the NYPost’s fault!
yiannistheman t1_it0ijv2 wrote
Yeah, random and unprovoked aren't unique to this city in any way. Inserting the word "subway" into your post doesn't change that.
Just ask the asshole who live streamed his shooting spree in Memphis.
stoptakingmylogins t1_it0m7fs wrote
Yes, but New York has a very high percentage of citizens who use the public transit system. Expecting safety measures on the subway is a VERY valid request. Random and unprovoked attacks can and do happen anywhere, but over the last two years the Northeast US has experienced the highest percentage rise.
People get stabbed, robbed, and assaulted multiple times a day in NYC. Memphis doesn't have shooters driving by every day. I grew up in Nashville and Memphis is notorious for being dangerous - frequently cited as one of the most dangerous in the country.
The issue in New York is that, moreso than any other city, you're frequently forced to take the risk. I have to use the subway to get to work, and almost daily someone clearly deranged will be on the train. Statistically, I'm probably safe, but every day I have to be on edge and careful because the mentally ill are passed through the shitty legal system and released over and over again. I'm a 6"5 guy, I imagine that is a huge reason I've managed to avoid conflict, but I've certainly come across people half my size that try to instigate me.
There are different issues at play here, but it's perfectly valid to mention the Subway as particularly unsafe. I'm sure if the man had the option, he would have driven his wife.
ikneverknew t1_it0oyga wrote
I get what you’re saying but the implication seems to be that there aren’t parallels elsewhere. Road rage incidents come to mind, as there are so many crazy motherfuckers on various interstates and highways whose egos and willingness to do stupid dangerous shit using their vehicle to randos who happen into their way. The subway may be unique in some regard relevant to this discussion, but I wager it’s not so much as we may think.
Rottimer t1_it1d8pn wrote
I've got to ask - what do you think is riskier in regards to death, taking the subway to work in NYC or driving to work in Memphis? Even if you count total subway deaths in 2022 it's far, far exceeded by total car deaths in NYC year to date.
stoptakingmylogins t1_it1ea2n wrote
That's fair, but we're talking safety from some form of assault. I wouldn't argue that driving a car would statistically improve risk of death on a day to day basis, but if we were to talk about someone committing a crime against you, I'd say the subway is far more dangerous. Some numbers to compare would be total deaths from assault in the subway system vs total deaths from road rage or something of the like. There's more nuance, surely, but that's just an example.
To respond to the other guys point as well, I think we can agree that, despite the statistically higher risk of death in a car, you feel much more safe and secure in one than you do crammed into a train cart with dozens of strangers - let alone mentally deranged and violent ones. The perception of safety, in my opinion, is just as valuable as the safety itself. People need to feel safe in their local communities and on public transit.
When I moved to NYC 6 years ago, I felt safe. I feel significantly less safe now, 50 pounds heavier. Just earlier today on the M train at flushing Avenue, a homeless man just stood facing perpendicular to me as I sat. He just spits on the ground, sticks a hand in his jacket and glares around. I don't know if he had a knife or gun, but not much could compel me to find out. I think the nature of the problem is rooted in a city with so many people that are on the edge. I need to work to survive, but I miss the days where that meant a nice commute where I could take a nap between stops instead of making sure I'm always aware of who's around me.
Rottimer t1_it2l38t wrote
That’s the thing about humans, our feeling don’t often align with probabilities. People are often too distracted when they should be fearful and too fearful when they don’t have much to worry about. I don’t deny that there are scary people on the subway and others that will make you feel uncomfortable. But we’ve also had 199 traffic fatalities this year through last week.
If the NY Post covered every traffic fatality the way they cover crime and micro mobility advocates posted on this sub like the conservatives post, you’d see people expressing the same fear about cars on the road and how drivers are a menace.
virtual_adam t1_it29c6m wrote
You’re basically advocating for every New Yorker to have a private security guard walking around with them. In order to prevent a crime that’s about 1 in a million or even rarer
At that logic you can also make private cars illegal. Much higher risk for a random person to cause you injury with them
Also same logic as locking down the city forever due to Covid. If even 1 New Yorkers in a million dies from covid, we need to shut down all restaurants
stoptakingmylogins t1_it2bm6e wrote
That's not at all what I'm advocating. You're assuming an extreme. There is middle ground - I've got the math in my post history, but the MTA could easily afford multiple security guards and live, monitored cameras in every station for the cost of cutting just a couple percent on their overtime costs. Expecting the primary provider of public transport to invest my fares into security versus mismanaging funds is a fair ask.
You're much less likely to have a random driver make an attempt on your life versus violent, mentally unhinged people with prior assaults on their record on the train.
virtual_adam t1_it2cm98 wrote
How would security cameras stop a 3 second push? It’s not like these people are never arrested. I don’t know of a subway pusher that’s still on the loose because cops can’t find them
You seem to be advocating for some 3 strikes rule towards the end of your comment. Which is very different than making sure 1 person isn’t pushed to the tracks every ~30 million rides by physically guarding every inch of subway at every moment of the day
stoptakingmylogins t1_it2e8gg wrote
That's exactly the point. It isn't like these people are arrested. That is the main issue, and cameras would allow a more rigid and enforceable accountability measure. Will ot definitely work like that? Who's to say - the DA is unreliable.
Security works as a deterrent, that's not much of a secret. Even if it prevents a handful of deaths a year, it's worth it. The only money on the line is money that the MTA is already spending, just very poorly.
Subway pushers get arrested and released the same week. That's very problematic. I'm not sure why this is an issue - would you not rather see the MTA manage their finances in such a way as to improve service, reliability, and safety for riders? It's not like I'm proposing massive overhaul or a drastic increase in budget.
yiannistheman t1_it0ssad wrote
A lot of words to say basically nothing. There are a lot of people using the subways and as such you'd expect a higher number of incidents there.
Top five states in terms of murders per 100k population have routinely been Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi and South Carolina. They're usually in the double digits. NYC's rate was 5.5 last year.
The spike in crime is cause for concern, but let's not pretend there's been some precipitous decline in safety.
whowantscake t1_it2cg7g wrote
Did anyone read the article? This isn’t a random or unprovoked incident. Someone died as a result and regardless of cause that’s terrible news. There was a man standing by the platform edge when he was bumped by Quintana. Because this man was bumped by Quintana, that man’s cell phone fell and ended up in the subway tracks. This man obviously pissed told Quintana to go retrieve it. Quintana refused understandably. Because of this they both engaged in an altercation leading to physical violence. It was reported that Quintana was pushed into the tracks at first, with other witnesses saying he wasn’t pushed, but fell into the tracks due to the scuffle. Now I’ve seen people bump into others without regard. I think it can be frustrating when someone doesn’t give a shit. That’s life. In this case if Quintana bumped into a man and that man loses his phone, then I can see how it would cause an argument followed by a hands on fight. It isn’t worth it though. They both lose. This isn’t a crazy person randomly pushing people into the subway tracks though.
WickhamAkimbo t1_it2b4u0 wrote
> Yeah, random and unprovoked aren't unique to this city in any way.
It's so much worse in American cities right now. It's insane. I honestly think that the majority of people who think otherwise simply haven't traveled internationally at all.
yiannistheman t1_it2bfut wrote
No it's not, that's just fear mongering at its finest. Crime is certainly up but nowhere near historical levels.
Meanwhile, crime is up outside of cities too.
WickhamAkimbo t1_it51woe wrote
I've traveled internationally pretty extensively and never run into the widespread menacing that you find in New York. It's not fearmongering, it's experience. I don't really give a shit that your political views demand that you ignore crime happening around you or ignore other people's experiences.
yiannistheman t1_it549lv wrote
Listen Bucky, Canada doesn't qualify as having traveled extensively.
Go back to hiding under your bed now, you can still hear the angry talk radio from there, no worries.
WickhamAkimbo t1_it5avl9 wrote
It's sad that you're so ignorant of the world and can't process nuance better. I'm not a conservative, I'm not talking about Canada, and you are really out of your depth in this conversation.
yiannistheman t1_it5bj8q wrote
Yeah, the sad part is you trying to pretend that a random altercation between two people who run into each other can't turn into a freak accident anywhere else.
Try to peddle your bullshit elsewhere fucknuts, right down to lying about your political leanings as if your post history doesn't exist for all to see.
WickhamAkimbo t1_it9x6k9 wrote
It wouldn't even be an altercation in places like Seoul. You're simply ignorant of how a huge chunk of the world works and just how safe large cities can be. You don't even fully understand what cities can be at their best.
> right down to lying about your political leanings as if your post history doesn't exist for all to see.
Like the comment that got me banned from conservative months ago?: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/vmvunz/-/ie3n5wc/
My post history shows pretty reasonable opinions. I'll continue to push them here and elsewhere and argue against inexperienced children such as yourself. I will work with other like-minded New Yorkers to put people like you in your place and keep your idiotic opinions from making life worse here for everyone.
yiannistheman t1_iu9w23f wrote
Yeah - turns out in Seoul a hundred people die because it's Halloween.
Not to beat up on Seoul, but here's proof shit happens everywhere. Sorry to burst your bubble.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/29/itaewon-seoul-halloween-stampede/
WickhamAkimbo t1_iubowf6 wrote
Holy shit how pathetic your life must be to pull this shit 8 days later. Holy fucking shit.
And to pounce on a tragedy and try to compare it to crime in the city. What the fuck is wrong with you?
yiannistheman t1_iuc5llz wrote
They're both fucking tragedies you loser. Random tragedies that could happen anywhere. You can haul your racist bullshit elsewhere.
Stleaveland1 t1_it8mibb wrote
Damn called the fuck out by yiannistheman over there with your tail between your legs 😂
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Stleaveland1 t1_ita6yci wrote
🤣 seething over Reddit comments from strangers! How much does your life suck? I'm sorry your feel feels got hurt. I'll make sure I give you a trigger warning next time.
I travel outside the city, but unlike you, I'm not scared of darker skin people. Not a lot of places you can go when you quake even thinking of ethnics right?
WickhamAkimbo t1_itbsf87 wrote
I'm pretty confident that my life is vastly better than yours. I have the money and resources to insulate myself from the problems that are caused by people like yourself that are ignorant of the world and of good public policy.
You're much more likely to be a victim of crime now than I am, despite the fact that you try to minimize it. Maybe it would teach you some empathy.
> I'm not scared of darker skin people
Such a lazy troll. Sincerity is harder, and I am sincerely dedicated to making the lives of anti-social people such as yourself miserable in this city until you either figure out how to cooperate or you leave.
JE163 t1_it01jnm wrote
Heartbreaking
AddendumUnlikely5812 t1_it02pdn wrote
So fucked up. Link to the family’s Gofund me:(https://www.gofundme.com/f/heriberto-quintana)
JustChabli t1_it1rzq5 wrote
Thank you for posting this
Aaco0638 t1_it0f98u wrote
The comment section in that article is disgusting, arguing over their immigration status tax payer money or politics fuckin pathetic gross people.
yiannistheman t1_it0moka wrote
They're New York Post readers. Pathetic gross people are their target demographic.
TrueAd3615 t1_it0yhix wrote
Aka most of this sub
aWildDeveloperAppear t1_it1hasl wrote
For real. Look at OP’s post history.
filthysize t1_it0zguk wrote
If NY Post articles continually get posted here, receive hundreds of upvotes, and generate discussions, then folks here don't have grounds to make fun of their demographic. It's the same at this point.
TrueAd3615 t1_it107i4 wrote
One actually lives here and the other moved to the suburbs but still posts here to shit on the city they couldn't make it in
user_joined_just_now t1_it1fwg4 wrote
> the city they couldn't make it in
What does that even mean? Do you think you're a badass for living here?
yiannistheman t1_it2bk7i wrote
He's referring to the fact that this sub is overrun by people who have never stepped foot here.
Gdott t1_it4w9wm wrote
How many of you were actually born here?
geo423 t1_it1zhba wrote
They do lol
CaptAshley t1_it0rc83 wrote
That’s your typical shitty NY Post readers. They’re a small red annoying boil on the ass of a great city. Wish we could lance them all and be done with the trash once and for all.
101ina45 t1_it125rd wrote
Honestly I don't understand conservatives who complain about nyc but stay/continually talk about it.
Like, I don't obsess over conservative states/cities because they don't line up with my values. Just weird.
CaptAshley t1_it13968 wrote
It’s because Conservatives are always looking for a scapegoat to distract from the fact that they have nothing of substance to offer their constituents but manufactured outrage. So they cycle through their list of boogeymen and exist solely to grift and point elsewhere.
crunchybaguette t1_it17h18 wrote
Conservative grandstanding. Christian virtue signaling to promote their platform.
Point out another’s issues to minimize their own.
user_joined_just_now t1_it1gf8m wrote
> I don't obsess over conservative states/cities because they don't line up with my values. Just weird.
Yeah, I guess it's incredibly weird to be concerned about other states restricting abortion rights. Why would anyone care? So weird.
symbiat0 t1_it2ny06 wrote
No, the poster is right, generally we don't obsess over conservative places the way conservatives are always harping on about Chicago and News York. Crime in Chicago is not even in the top 20 worst places (many places in Red states fill out the top 20 or 30), but for sure Fox News and NYP (same org as far as I'm concerned, both Murdoch-owned) will only report on Chicago and NYC to push their crazy skewed view.
And yes while we are concerned about abortion rights, and we'll talk about them, the focus now is on getting this issue on to ballots in various states and trying to focus on keeping the House and maybe grabbing a couple of Senate seats because without those nothing can be done at the federal level.
aWildDeveloperAppear t1_it1h98q wrote
Yeah & OP is one of them. Their post history is mainly NY Post crime articles on this sub. Then some other BS on r/conservative.
This sub is full of accounts like this.
MrRaspberryJam1 t1_it11ta6 wrote
One guy said “bring 3rd worlds people you get 3rd world problems”
iv2892 t1_it178in wrote
That’s what the average NY post reader says . They love to talk shit about nyc , yes the city has its problems. But I’m sure is much better than any random conservative town where it takes 1 hour to go to the supermarket
Caribbean_Ed718 t1_it2b6a5 wrote
Tell him to go back to Europe. I’m assuming his ancestors came in America illegally. I’m sure that the natives didn’t invite him.
bolettebo t1_it0gtqp wrote
My heart breaks for him and his family :(
Fit-Conversation1978 t1_it0zuzn wrote
Over a phone. A damn phone...it's unreal what this world has come to.
MasterInterface t1_it25x79 wrote
That's why a lot of people in NYC don't go around acting tough nor step into danger when they see a fight.
People kill for less here. Most people know this.
kokchain t1_it04uq0 wrote
Sad. Don’t know what the fight could have been about. But just let it go and keep it moving.
Quirky_Movie t1_it07r95 wrote
The deceased knocked another man's phone out of his hand on accident. Phone landed on the tracks. Dude demanded the guy climb down and get it. Deceased refused. He pushed him onto the tracks during a scuffle.
carolyn_mae t1_it0duot wrote
Small correction… The article states that he wasn’t pushed on the tracks, he was punched in the face which caused him to lose balance and subsequently fall on the tracks. Still atrocious, but I’m wondering if that’s why he was charged with manslaughter instead of second degree murder. Maybe manslaughter is just easier to prove.
IvanIsOnReddit t1_it0epux wrote
Exactly. Murder you would have to prove intent, and since this was a punch in the face and not a push, it’s hard to prove the puncher had the intention making him lose balance.
thisismyreddit11358 t1_it0h5qe wrote
If I start to fight you near the subway tracks, it doesn’t matter your intent. Subways are dangerous, and starting a fight there just ain’t the same as on the street.
This guy should be tried for murder and then get electrocuted.
Snoo-27930 t1_it1v90e wrote
Thats not how murder works, but i understand you dont care about facts
OutrageousGarbage743 t1_it0ozyp wrote
Hell yeah, bring back the death penalty!
Quirky_Movie t1_it2mqkx wrote
I tend to agree with you.
It's a natural consequence of starting a fight on a subway platform. It's ALWAYS a risk. They might make a case for something like negligent homicide after they gather the facts.
Quirky_Movie t1_it2n5hg wrote
It's the easiest charge to charge him immediately with based on the obvious facts.
They may end up with more charges to present to a jury to consider.
MillennialNightmare t1_it07fxg wrote
Apparently the person pushed in front of the train bumped someone, that person dropped their phone on the tracks, and it escalated from there. Not even close to worth a life.
ApplesauceLover123 t1_it0yzxd wrote
Imagine losing your life over $500-$900, fucking depressing world we live in.
RyuNoKami t1_it1mh4q wrote
its worse than that...he could have just went to the MTA guys and ask them to do it. its vanity. its the need to "correct disrespect."
Headbutt_Family_Band t1_it0vwc0 wrote
Just being out and about and walking around the streets these days, a lot of the time I can't help notice a really aggressive vibe in the air that was not there a few years ago. Seems like everyone is just generally pissed off and looking for a reason to start some shit. It's pretty sucky and it becomes contagious.
ChornWork2 t1_it3lslr wrote
Major felonies have absolutely spiked in 2022, a clear departure from the trend in prior years.
booboolurker t1_it0hy7r wrote
This is so sad
mrchumblie t1_it0r0up wrote
This is so fucking sad and infuriating. God damn. Rest in peace. Please may cooler heads prevail.
UncomfyNoises t1_it0jjpq wrote
Damn that’s sad :/ poor guy
ineededanameagain t1_it0yf4d wrote
Heartbreaking stuff. Over a fucking phone. Hope the killer rots in jail
SnooWoofers5193 t1_it167k8 wrote
My heart breaks for them man, that's so tragic, what can they even do now??? A struggle in life in hopes of a better life only to struggle more, I hate it
JuliaMac65 t1_it1ruqp wrote
A million ppl died, and many millions more suffered mental health issues. It’s serious.
Sudden_Welcome8412 t1_it4jnxz wrote
covid has spiked the blood pressure of lot of people and its undetected, causing this type of uncalled voilence.
JuliaMac65 t1_itgnuxf wrote
I think the violence is from being cooped up for 2 years, so many ppl lost their jobs. This has caused many ppl to have a shorter fuse than usual.
MrRaspberryJam1 t1_it11iub wrote
Damn it I should have known better then to read the comments on a New York post article. Of course they make this a race thing.
ballwasher89 t1_it1xckh wrote
No mention of the shitbag that did this?
How about we push him on the tracks?
NoYoureTheBestest t1_it2e9od wrote
He is mentioned in the article.
No_Book1465 t1_it3td5y wrote
No offense but the “shitbag” is minding his own business wasn’t he? Lol
Honestly, if someone bumped me on a platform I’d be extremely concerned with his carelessness of that shitbag… 🧐
ballwasher89 t1_it3z1ot wrote
Damn son
No_Book1465 t1_it40qsg wrote
I’m waiting for you to reply accidents do happen..
ballwasher89 t1_it423k2 wrote
Oh.
Hah.
Welp.
No_Book1465 t1_it42gpc wrote
You could always bump a cop standing near the edge of a platform…tell me how it goes… don’t forget to sincerely apologize because your in rush. Lol
No_Book1465 t1_it3zxpb wrote
With your reaction.. I wouldn’t be surprised if you ended up in the same situation.
Wtf why you bump me lol
ballwasher89 t1_it426ke wrote
Haha dude. Alright. You're right
No_Book1465 t1_it40hz0 wrote
If this dude wasn’t in a rush the post wouldnt exist.
Imagine357 t1_it2mhu4 wrote
Who is stupid enough to fight near trains?
sphinxx117 t1_it1hqc4 wrote
This is so sad bro
iwantcookies2020 t1_it3jiuv wrote
She has 3 sons. Oldest is 30. They should take care of their mom.
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mightglu t1_it2tnzg wrote
This breaks my heart, such an unnecessary death. Over a cellphone?? It’s sickening
SumyungNam t1_it3b9ah wrote
Man so sad and senseless...over a bump and a cellphone?
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PBM1337 t1_it3jkve wrote
NYPost doing a fantastic job triggering folks and painting NyC like chiraq, and Philly. We ain’t in Haiti either. The next broken politician should defitinely work with the NYPost for some storytelling during their campaign
jaymmm t1_it3xhgo wrote
You can be punched in the face on the street fall backwards hit your head and be DOA
Aggravating_One4823 t1_it43ee1 wrote
People misinterpret rushing for aggression. You see it all the time. Like how insecure do you have to be to take offense to a stranger rushing to get around you? Who cares?
No_Book1465 t1_it44csz wrote
You shouldn’t be bumping into people on a platform or waiting at a crosswalk because what you need to do is more important. Plain and simple. This is the reason school buses have stop signs. Slow down and Move over laws.
Reality check.
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LouVee616 t1_it7gxbu wrote
I had pretty much this exact same scenario happen to me.
I got bumped and my phone fell in the track.
I was quite unhappy. Instead of killing someone, I went to the booth and got my phone about 20 minutes later
winstonpartell t1_it7wgxk wrote
Keep in mind we don't know how it escated to that point - did the victim try to de-escalate and tell the perp to calm down and he is to call for station personnel about the retrival.
73420 t1_it1ed30 wrote
wow that is horrible. She can't work or function most of the time because of dialysis, her son has Downs and now the sole provider is dead over some BS. Oh, and they're illegal. Jeez just gets worse and worse.
Best_Program_3365 t1_it2y94j wrote
Undocumented **. No matter what the term is by law, from a moral standpoint the existence of any human being should never be referred to as “illegal”. It’s easy to use that word after years of social conditioning, but as a society generally advocating for positive change, we should make an effort not to dehumanize others by such terms.
iwantcookies2020 t1_it3j4zm wrote
She has 3 sons. Oldest is 30. She will be taken care of.
carolyn_mae t1_it0div4 wrote
Has everyone collectively lost their minds since COVID? I never remember hearing about these fights that lead to killings when there were millions of more people on the train (and therefore more people to run into and annoy).