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215illmatic t1_j8mg7bw wrote

Why are successful brands expanding? Is that the question?

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8Draw t1_j8n6lvm wrote

I'm seeing La Colombe is in airports everywhere now, how could Krasner do this to us.

Mignucci of Di Bruno's point about the city going to bat for small businesses stands but this headline? It's neither "flocking" nor is it to the main line.

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215illmatic t1_j8nbu5y wrote

Such a weird headline and article. It’s not like they’re leaving the city to open in the suburbs — they’re just expanding. I guess we’re not supposed to want Philly small businesses to succeed outside the confines of the city limits? Again, super weird gatekeeping.

And you’re absolutely right, I see La Colombe all across the country.

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MarketStEl t1_j8nuq04 wrote

I write the headlines for:

• articles I write that appear only online • the print versions of articles that appear in print and online, subject to revision by the editors above me

I have no say in the headlines for the online versions of print articles.

I agree that one could draw the wrong impression from this headline. And as I noted, this is really nothing new.

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215illmatic t1_j8nxjz5 wrote

What? Who are you and what are you talking about?

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wallythegoose t1_j906j17 wrote

Usually brands have the highest quality when they are hyper local in the city though, and then it starts to drop proportionately with how far they expand.

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MarketStEl t1_j8nv1p0 wrote

“How could Krasner do this to us” 😂

Great sendup of an all-too-common knee-jerk response to stories like this

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LFKhael t1_j8nvjmn wrote

Half this reddit probably yells "Krasner!" when they stub their toes.

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FMG1978 t1_j8mlkwh wrote

I'm gonna guess money

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zoicyte t1_j8npulf wrote

Same reason the millennials are now flocking to the suburbs. They’re tired of being in a crime ridden city and now they’re all thinking about having kids, they need to get out.

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Mr_Fraunces t1_j8nsdqt wrote

>Same reason the millennials are now flocking to the suburbs

Because they don't want their children in Philadelphia Public Schools?

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zoicyte t1_j8o8nuc wrote

That’s a-bingo!

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frankdiddit t1_j8o9xqr wrote

That’s why my boomer parents moved out there. Things don’t change

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zoicyte t1_j8okl23 wrote

I mean I was saying this in 2012. Philly looked up and coming and very trendy then, especially neighborhoods like fish town and NL, but none of those young professionals were gonna plant real roots bc as soon as they start to want having kids they’d take one look at the school situation and fuck the hell off back to the suburbs.

That’s what me and my wife did at the time, and she lived there for like 10 years. I worked at the navy yard then, and would have loved to live in the city, but not with a kid going to school in 5 years

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Astrostuffman t1_j8pesf8 wrote

NL had already jumped the shark by 2012. Anyway, I digress. We moved out of NL, where we had tons of friends, in 2013 because it was unsafe. We looked at houses on the Main Line, but I grew up in Philly, so we moved to the “suburbs” without moving to the suburbs. Care to guess where?

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SeeMyThumb t1_j8ucqu8 wrote

I’m gonna guess that if you’re looking at buying in the main line, and Mt Airy is close, you wound up in Chestnut Hill.

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Mr_Fraunces t1_j8rpdbl wrote

Far Northeast. I grew up in a free standing house on 1/2 an acre with off street parking in the Far Northeast. I could walk to Bucks county or Montgomery County from my neighborhood.

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SammieCat50 t1_j8tu67o wrote

Got to say … my kids went to school in phila.. my youngest just graduated from univ of Penn - both have great jobs - nothing bad ever happened to them & they’re not on drugs..my relatives who moved out of city to utilize other school districts, their kids weren’t so lucky

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zoicyte t1_j8u4p05 wrote

That’s great. And I’m sure excellent students come from every district. But the overall quality and safety of the school system isn’t up for debate.

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benfranklinsmustache t1_j8nrq3l wrote

Also the older gen z crowd. They oldest are mid-to-late 20s now.

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marxistbot t1_j8ofmt6 wrote

Doubt. Average age of first child is like 28 now in the US. People are waiting way later if they’re having any at all. I’m cusp years (26-27) and my friends aren’t fleeing for kids. They’re just tired of dealing with city bullshit. Some do have dogs and having a yard is nice.

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BigDickolasNicholas t1_j8pm4if wrote

They're actually just tired of you

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marxistbot t1_j8srwgt wrote

I don’t live in the city. I don’t even live in PA anymore ya rizzless sagging nutsack.

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BigDickolasNicholas t1_j96vhc1 wrote

Look at that, suburban scumbags out here killing city cops. Please never move back

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marxistbot t1_j98i6gz wrote

Tf? You hit the blinkerton or you just literally insane with jealousy for the child free? It’s okay if you fuck up your life having a kid before you were financially ready but don’t make it my problem

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BigDickolasNicholas t1_j967i5n wrote

Of course you don't lmao. Every single one of you weirdos only flick here for negativity. Talking shit bc that's the only way to convince yourself that living in Bumfuck, USA isn't miserable.

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marxistbot t1_j98lxug wrote

I don’t live in “bumfuck.” I live in a suburb 10 minutes drive from a downtown east coast metro area with 1mill+ people. I’ve got city access but a big backyard away from the noise. I just couldn’t do sharing walls and city parking anymore. People acting like I fucked your mom and never called her back. I still love Philly, but cities aren’t for everyone at every time in life and kids aren’t the only one of those times. Public transit and traffic and noise is wearing after awhile, especially if you’ve got a dog or like gardening, which I do. Like die mad I guess ffs

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zoicyte t1_j8p35jr wrote

You can doubt but it doesn’t make it not so. Also why not both

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marxistbot t1_j8ssuis wrote

I really don’t understand why people are so mad about this. I didn’t say that no one is leaving cause the suburbs are better for kids. I just doubt that many Gen z are driving that trend given statistical reality that even the oldest zoomer is still well below the median age for first child. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2022/07/26/median-age-for-new-moms-rises-to-30-in-u-s-

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zoicyte t1_j8sykdk wrote

This is probably true. The oldest zoomers I know are 25. I didn’t have my kid until I was 33

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marxistbot t1_j8xj706 wrote

The cutoff is 1996 so the oldest are now 27. i have several 26-27 year old zoomer friends but otherwise same. My parents and most of their friends all had their first kids at 29-35. I know there are cultural difference driving this, but I just don’t know anyone personally under 28 intentionally trying to have kids right now lol

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zoicyte t1_j8zuu47 wrote

In the northeast US I would say yeah, most folks I know put off first kid till 28-32 but I know a couple of younger parents as I have a 7 year old and a few of her friends have parents in their late 20s or early 30s. But they’re also not as well off. There’s definitely still a socioeconomic aspect to it.

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marxistbot t1_j909jvt wrote

I live in south eastern city now and it’s the same. Definitely agree it’s income but also function of level of education (which is generally higher in cities than rural areas, and ofc they’re correlated anyway)

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GooFoYouPal t1_j8mke9k wrote

now Philadelphia Magazine expanding to Philadelphia would be way more interesting.

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MarketStEl t1_j8mmgqm wrote

Author here.

In my online channel, I do my best to span the region (though I do give NJ short shrift).

And ever since I joined the staff in 2015, I’ve noticed that our website has more city content than the print mag.

But as one other Redditor said in response to this piece: The serious money’s in the ‘burbs. And we live off advertising. Guess who our advertisers want to reach?

Even the article ended up being skewed towards one particular slice of the ‘burbs. I couldn’t find a well-known city retailer or restaurant that opened a branch in, say, Jenkintown, Montgomeryville, Doylestown or Media. But I’ll bet there’s one out there.

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GooFoYouPal t1_j8mngzn wrote

Appreciate the comment. And I’m just being a smartass about Philly Mag itself, which my dad gets me a subscription too every year for like the last 20 years. I did actually read the article and enjoyed it. It was interesting.

I think we severely underestimate, especially on this sub, the amount of people that are rapidly pulling away from not wanting to come into the city for anything. There’s always been a large contingent of that, but I am increasingly hearing from friends, family and coworkers how they have zero desire to come in to the city for anything. I think the comments from Mignucci are touching on that, although he’s trying to be still somewhat diplomatic.

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MarketStEl t1_j8mo4az wrote

I got a couple of emails from readers who insisted that crime was the reason, including one who clearly didn't read the article, for that reader insisted that the businesses mentioned in it were actually planning to leave the city altogether when none of them are — and two of them expressly said they remained committed to their city stores. (The toniest of those two is run by a guy who lives on the western Main Line and was surprised to learn how many of his neighbors live entirely in the 'burbs with no contact with the city whatsoever).

But I'd also say that convenience rather than crime explains more of this. That same business owner said that when his store opened in Wayne, it got customers from Malvern who said that their pop-up in *Ardmore* was too far away.

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GooFoYouPal t1_j8mokyj wrote

Yeah, my initial thought is the majority of the people that will frequent these new suburban outposts are simply people that these companies wouldn’t have had anyway. And well, I do hear a lot about people increasingly not wanting to come into the city, I wonder if the influx of new residents and all the new developments are enough to compensate for that “loss.” I think people in general are probably just getting more localized in their shopping, dining choices, etc..

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ColdJay64 t1_j8mxgx3 wrote

If their only source of information on the city is this subreddit and the evening news, can you blame them? It’s perfectly safe to visit for a day of shopping, but you’d never know it if you spend all your time reading this stuff and none actually in the city.

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GooFoYouPal t1_j8myg03 wrote

Bro, with all due respect, you’re just as bad, just on the opposite end of the spectrum. You’re on here constantly invalidating and minimizing peoples concerns about the current safety conditions of this city. And I don’t think your CC Living experience is relatable to a vast majority of Philadelphia’s residents.

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ColdJay64 t1_j8n2ufr wrote

I share my perspective only on areas I traverse and experiences I've had. For example, when people are discussing the decline of the lower Northeast... I don't comment at all. Why? Because I wouldn't know, and because it seems like they are right.

If people choose to take my perspective as "invalidating" their experiences, there's not much I can do - though it's not my intention at all. I do contest broad statements that I disagree with such as "it's not safe to walk around CC" or "CC is entirely vacant" if that's what you mean. I likely spend more time there than almost anyone commenting, and have for the last few years.

Agreed that my experience of living in Center City and now Point Breeze is not the same as someone living in another area.

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RowdySuperBigGulp t1_j8nwdfc wrote

My experience with the lower NE is it’s more quiet than it’s ever been . I can sit out all night and not hear a pin drop or walk my dog and the neighbors all wave and say hi but I come on here and find out I’m living in a hellhole .

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ColdJay64 t1_j8o0n3j wrote

A perfect example of what I was talking about above with regards to people's perception of Center City/shopping there. I can speak to its conditions at great length being there daily. Meanwhile my own perception of your area is that it's not good, based on Reddit and the news but little actual experience. The only difference is, I'm open to being educated on what I don't know instead of doubling down on it and labeling you.

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LFKhael t1_j8mz43v wrote

>you’re just as bad,

Fucking wooooow.

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JBizznass t1_j8nmg5i wrote

I’ll add my personal anecdote here: I lived in Fishtown and worked downtown. Moved to the western burbs during covid and mostly work from home, but go to various parts of the city for work about 3 times a week. But I don’t really shop or eat in the city anymore since it’s more expensive (various taxes) and less convenient form me. I do however go to the suburban outposts of many of the places I used to go in the city like la Colombe, white dog, etc. If they didn’t exist in the burbs I would just be a lost customer since it it wouldn’t be worth it go into the city for them since there are other great local options. And I know lots of other folks who once were city dwellers / workers who now work from in the burbs and feel the same. It’s smart of these companies to follow their customers.

I will say that one of the big motivators for us moving to the burbs was the overall declining quality of life in the city (including, but not limited to crime), but that’s not why I wouldn’t go to a store or restaurant in the city. Now that I’m here it’s a matter of convenience. Especially since I’m the mainline area there are lots of great shopping and dining options closer to home.

Are there some whackos who won’t cross the city line for fear of being immediately murdered? Sure. But that is really a very small part of the suburban population and most of us suburbanites also think those people are crazy.

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carolineecouture t1_j8oazsq wrote

I'm just not in town as much. I would do things in town because I was at the office, and it was an easier "flow" to go shopping at lunch or after work. Now I'm at home so I do more stuff around here or shop online. Going to center city or west Philly just seems a heavier lift now.

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singalong37 t1_j8nasxw wrote

I don’t quite get the idea in people’s minds of decamping to suburbs because of Covid. You’re healthier living in the city where you walk everywhere and therefore more likely to fend off the infection with only mild symptoms. In 2020 when everything was shut ok. By now I’d think people who left would be more than ready to return. Anyway, good to see the reference to suburban branches from 70 - 90 years ago; there’s nothing really new about this or about suburban badmouthing of the city.

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JBizznass t1_j8nnooj wrote

For us it wasn’t a matter of health, it was a matter of space. We now both work from home which meant that our 900 sq ft row home wasn’t big enough to accommodate our life. We also wanted more outdoor space and a parking spot since my work requires me to drive and come home much later than normal rush hour and there was no place for me to park at those times. Not to mention when working from home in the burbs my partner could avoid all wage taxes and I could avoid some BIRT and NPT taxes. So it’s basically a wash cost of living wise for a bigger place.

Also during the pandemic nothing that makes cities fun and enjoyable we’re still there. Concerts, bars, museums, etc. I know personally I realized that access to these things were not as important to our lives as pre pandemic I would have thought they were.

In general people’s lives and priorities shifted in many fundamental ways that are not shifting back any time soon.

Edit: wanted to add that if you want there are lots of opportunities to walk around in many suburban areas. Do I walk to the grocery store? No. Did I do that when I lived in Fishtown? Also no. Do I know just take regular pleasure walks by myself? Yes. Did I do that in Fishtown? No. So it really depends again on your lifestyle and priorities.

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8Draw t1_j8n80kg wrote

>I couldn’t find a well-known city retailer or restaurant that opened a branch in, say, Jenkintown, Montgomeryville, Doylestown or Media. But I’ll bet there’s one out there.

Do you think picking a place and seeking businesses is a little backward? This article clearly picked its lane and then found examples fitting that narrative.

Mignucci's comments are evidence you've tapped into something real to an extent here so don't take this as me discounting your work entirely. Just the conclusion presented and definitely the headline.

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mortgagepants t1_j8nq65k wrote

"Until this past September, when the company opened an incredible simulation in Wayne."

did you mean "simulacrum" or did i just misunderstand the concept?

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MarketStEl t1_j8o7rr1 wrote

Thanks for building my vocabulary! That was indeed what I meant

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SuspiciousOnion2137 t1_j8pjbcf wrote

We moved to the Main Line from out of state expecting to go into Philadelphia regularly, but it turned out to be a very occasional thing. For us it was because we often end up waiting forever for the Paoli/Thorndale trains to show up, finding parking in certain parts of Philadelphia can be really difficult, and Uber can get expensive fast. We are thrilled to have more city businesses opening here because it doesn’t seem as if the train schedule is going to change anytime soon. We would love for it to be easier to go in more often though.

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Linzabee t1_j8ns94t wrote

Founding Fathers sports bar just opened a second location in Bensalem, but I don’t know if that would qualify as “well-known” enough.

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SirLaxer t1_j8murd9 wrote

As a filthy suburbanite who works facing city hall 5x/week, I like it. Money’s clearly the answer. And if I can keep enjoying DiBruno Bros and other spots out here in the ‘burbs without needing to come into Center City on my non-work day, that’s nice.

Wouldn’t mind a Dig out here, though, I prefer it over Honeygrow/SweetGreen/HipCity/etc. I’m obviously biased, but I’d rather have loved/respected stores make the business decision to set up shop on the outskirts of the city than have them go out of business completely staying exclusively within the city.

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wovenloafzap t1_j8mt08m wrote

I expected this article to be about businesses actually relocating.... but it was about businesses opening an additional location out in the suburbs. All the businesses featured still have their location in the city.

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frankoceansheadband t1_j8nn291 wrote

Why such a misleading title? It makes it sound like these businesses are leaving Philly (as evidenced by idiots claiming they “left” because Philly is dangerous)

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NonIdentifiableUser t1_j8nst33 wrote

It’s a magazine written for the suburbs that, despite that fact, uses the name “Philadelphia.” No I’m not kidding.

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LFKhael t1_j8nqmri wrote

>Why such a misleading title?

Because anti-urban clickbait is this tabloid's MO.

This is the same place that published a headline saying Philly was going to hire people who couldn't swim to be lifeguards.

This is not a newspaper.

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MarketStEl t1_j8o7l3u wrote

It’s not a tabloid either, even if some tabloid-y stuff has appeared under its banner (and I would argue that most of what appears under its banner isn’t tabloid-y at all).

As you said, “This is not a newspaper.” A tabloid is also a newspaper, one whose page size is half that of a broadsheet. It was designed for reading on the bus or subway.

We are a magazine. Magazine journalism does differ from newspaper journalism.

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no483828 t1_j8mm3a5 wrote

A+ reporting:

"An earlier version of this article said Plymouth Meeting Mall had “shuttered.” The mall remains open in its original format."

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CasomorphinAddict t1_j8o4iyk wrote

Weirdly both the statement that Plymouth Meeting Mall has "shuttered" and that it "remains open in its original format" are wrong.

It's clearly shifted away from a traditional retail mall to a mixed-use center, with a gym, dining and other non-traditional goods retail taking substantial space (Dave and Buster's, Whole Foods).

Although I guess the Church on the Mall is still there, so maybe that's what makes it the "original format," since that's pretty original.

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MarketStEl t1_j8o6uua wrote

Maybe I should have used “floor plan” or “configuration” in the correction.

Unlike the other two malls, which got de-malled as well as repurposed, Plymouth Meeting remains a two-level enclosed mall.

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pcomet235 t1_j8mm3qt wrote

Hip City Veg was open in Suburban Square pre-pandemic..

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Alright_Smartphone t1_j8py5gs wrote

Nicole Marquis is a trash human being who treats her entire org like shit and I hope her brands eventually over-leverages itself into non-existence.

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infantgambino t1_j8of8xd wrote

how dare krasner expand small businesses to the suburbs!

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porkchameleon t1_j8n0vs0 wrote

To mainline that paper, of course!

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TokiWart00th88 t1_j8nv1gk wrote

Have store in City and worry about getting stabbed in the face, or move to burbs and charge premium to people who are thankful to not have to go into the city, hmmm

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No_Rope4561 t1_j8v3x2f wrote

“attentive but not intrusive salespeople” are you allowed to sue Philadelphia magazine for libel? Because this is a bold face lie. Also, the old man once criticized my ex-wife for wearing a crucifix and told her that someone who is not Jewish should not sell clothing. So here’s a fact for you. He’s a piece of shit, his kids are pieces of shit, and this business is a fucking piece of shit. Print that motherfuckers.

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vasquca1 t1_j8rnhbo wrote

Shit even Macungie looking attractive to Philly folks wanting out.

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Five2one521 t1_j8nv9m0 wrote

Cause Philly is turning to shit?

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LBITruckee t1_j8obrp4 wrote

Cause this city has become seriously gross. Trash in the streets, garbage everywhere…hoping it change but 100% regret buying here.

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BoomTownRat71 t1_j8ndbwq wrote

Because it’s too dangerous to stay in Philly.

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Electronic_Chard_270 t1_j8nr7ri wrote

Did you read the actual article? Or do you just post this in every thread about Philly?

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sha1ashaska22 t1_j8npdik wrote

Read the article, that’s not what is happening. But that wouldn’t fit your agenda.

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IPA_lot_ t1_j8nhtmq wrote

Because they don’t want their shit stolen is my guess

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BigDickolasNicholas t1_j8pndi3 wrote

True, there has literally never been any crime outside of a city. Sounds crazy, I know, but if you look it up, 104% of all crime happens in cities. Now you're probably going to ask, "Why do people/businesses stay in cities if 104% of crime happens there?" Which is a good question, and the answer happens to be "Because it's still better than living in the incredibly shitty suburbs." More news at 11.

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