Fattom23 t1_ixk472d wrote
No excuses, the parking pass for multiple cars registered to the same address need to cost waaaayyyyyyy more (and the third and fourth more expensive still).. Four per household is unsustainable.
TheAdamist t1_ixk536a wrote
Ive heard it gets weird though for the year when you move in a place and theres several cars already registered and they're like suck it up and register your first at #5.
Would extra suck if that's a grand or more.
Fattom23 t1_ixk72kt wrote
I know this is tough for the PPA, but they could possibly use discretion and allow you to demonstrate that you just purchased the home/rented the apartment and invalidate the old pass. Probably there's a better solution I haven't thought of.
ntr89 t1_ixkmco5 wrote
The PPA is not out for solutions, it's out for that cash. They're giving out 2-hour limit violations left and right in unmarked zones, dispute portal is broken, you either have to print out the photo evidence and mail it or go in person while you should be at work
Edit: I mean they'll just default to the 5th car for everything and you cant easily dispute it, profit line go up
justaphage42 t1_ixlu6fw wrote
When we moved in there was already a pass on our apartment but they were able to invalidate it. I think it was down to them needing to hear back from the previous pass owner though?
Fattom23 t1_ixlucfv wrote
My house was the same way. I actually forgot that they could get an ok from the previous owners. I think it's a bad system to rely on the previous owner, since they have very low incentive to help. An executed lease or settlement paperwork for the house should be sufficient. Of course, it barely matters right now because the passes are priced below cost, anyhow.
NonIdentifiableUser t1_ixlolr7 wrote
Had this happen to me. Was annoying and clearly a solvable problem on the other end but just said fuck it because ultimately it’s still cheap as hell.
Darius_Banner t1_ixmnpcj wrote
Yeah that happened to me. If PPA were functional it would be easy turn off the old car in the computer
ScottishCalvin t1_ixkaqid wrote
I'm very pro small government and low tax but even I would be 100% up for a punitive tax on 2nd and especially 3rd+ vehicles. Four vehicles is insane.
Ng3me t1_ixkjhhq wrote
Typical conservative. “I’m very pro small government except for the things I don’t like.”
Even though I agree that parking permits should cost hundreds or thousands per car, your small government claim is laughable.
probablyourdad t1_ixlq5l1 wrote
Pro small gov lol, 5.6B budget for the city, our police force literally has more funding than most countries entire military.
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Peggy_Ice t1_ixmuqcv wrote
I don’t see how small vs large government has anything to do with this. Parking space is public land, core role of government is to solve tragedy of the commons whether you’re a big government or small government guy.
Im generally small government and think that public parking is insanely underpriced and I don’t think there’s any contradiction there.
TechSquidTV t1_ixo30h0 wrote
Exactly. Republicans are just anti-taxes for things they specifically hate but are extremely pro tax when it suits them. But then hey, they don't have to attack your goals for the money, they can just pretend they give a crap about saving you money.
ScottishCalvin t1_ixlutk1 wrote
No, just that this is an issue where I doubt there's anyone who would oppose it, such is the unifying unpopularity of jackasses parking 3 or 4 vehicles outside their apartment
'except' implying I'm pro-government when it comes to stuff I *do* like? Nope, I'd disband most of the government with the exception of schools and even then I'd scrap all the federal level stuff.
Eddie_Savitz_Pizza t1_ixm3xhy wrote
lol
Ng3me t1_ixmf2zx wrote
Sure, “or the things I like” works, whichever way you want to word it, it means the same thing. Conservatives are for small gov except things they don’t like such as abortion, gay rights, black people being allowed to vote… Conservative are for small gov excet things they like such as, in your case, parking enforcement but typically police, mass incarceration…
barchueetadonai t1_ixqkosl wrote
But like, you wouldn’t actually do that, so…
IntoTheMirror t1_ixkn2mo wrote
Start the increase at the third vehicle. As a suburban born dirtball, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for two adults in one address to each own a daily driver.
Fattom23 t1_ixlr289 wrote
It may be reasonable to have two cars, but facts is facts: two cars are wider than a row house. If everyone had two and only parked in front of their own house, we'd run out of room. We have the space we have.
throwawaitnine t1_ixm76xc wrote
And yet, people get all up and arms when it's suggested that new housing that increases population density should be required to have parking.
Fattom23 t1_ixmbqss wrote
The answer's not fewer people. It's fewer cars. We need homes for more than we need places to store our empty cars.
BUrower t1_ixmcumb wrote
Fewer cars and better transit options, frequency and reliability
throwawaitnine t1_ixmcnm0 wrote
Do you have a car?
Fattom23 t1_ixmjro1 wrote
My family of four does own one car. If my wife felt safer biking on 29th St and Girard Ave, I'd sell it and buy a cargo bike. The last time I had a car of my own was in 2014.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmk84j wrote
Ok if we make it really hard for you to park and you have to decide between spending time every night looking for a space in a really competitive environment or your wife feeling unsafe commuting via bicycle, how would you feel about being pushed into that choice?
Fattom23 t1_ixmnpnr wrote
That's the nature of living in a city; there's not always room to store your private property on public space. Whether I like it or not, there's limited space. I own only a small piece of it; It's unreasonable for me to expect that I'll be able to use other pieces of it for free. I have a car, and I would be in favor of the parking permit price going up by at least 20 times. Fuck cars; our city would be better without them.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmq6dg wrote
Yea but that's not what I asked, I asked, How would you feel about it? What you are giving is the justification you are making in your head when what I want is for you to have empathy for stakeholders.
You say this,
>... I would be in favor of the parking permit price going up by at least 20 times.
What if they raised the price of a parking permit so you couldn't afford it, but some of your neighbors could and then you have to sell your car and your wife has to commute via bicycle or bus and she feels unsafe, how does that make you feel?
It's like you have people here, paying taxes, they've been here and they've been incentivized to live like they're living with two cars or three cars or whatever. There's a social contract here and what you want is to break that social contract.
Fattom23 t1_ixmr85o wrote
I would (and do) feel fine. Again: I'm actively advocating for the parking fees to be so high that a significant number of people decide it's not worth it and get rid of their cars. My wife and I and my kids can take a bus just fine like people do in urban areas all over the world.
I don't know about you (or anyone else who apparently just has to do whatever they're told), but I've been told since grade school that we can't keep driving the way we do because of climate change. Now we're seeing the effects of that in real-time but people keep making excuses for why they just won't try to cut back on driving.
If people were incentived to do this, they can be incentived to do differently. I'm not special; if I can figure out how to do without a car, everyone else can, too.
And one more time for the kids in the back: I hope they do raise the parking price so high I can't afford it. If a candidate comes up for office promising that, I'll vote for them. I support making driving harder and more expensive and transit cheaper, easier and better in literally every single circumstance.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmrpjc wrote
What I'm telling you is that this is changing the city by picking winners and losers and you are saying you don't care about the losers and you don't even care if you're a loser and I don't think that you're being honest, but I hope you have a great Thanksgiving.
igotthatbunny t1_ixmeqw5 wrote
You need to incentivize people to get rid of their cars, that’s the whole point. Making parking a bitch while also increasing public transportation options that are safe and reliable and finally Philly could progress into a city where you don’t need a car.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmh8ix wrote
So what I hear is, let's lower people's standard of living so we can lower people's standard of living. Am I wrong?
huebomont t1_ixn5xcr wrote
no one needs more than one car. why are we even giving out permits for multiple cars per person? if you want more cars, find a private place to store them
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