Submitted by Emergency-Ad-4671 t3_zxrqjr in pittsburgh

Both of my parents are boomer yinzers. I am also a recovering from my yinzer accent. I’ve lived in this city my whole life, but really began to realize how I talked when I became a teacher although all my little yinzer students never notice.

My mom was born and raised in Carrick. I’ve successfully taught her how to pronounce words correctly over the years, but I CANNOT get her to say ruin correctly. Like, she genuinely thinks you say “roin-ning” like coin with an ‘R’. I’ve always said “roo-in”. She also thinks “of” is pronounced “ov”. Anyone else have similar problems? Is my mom weird? Is Carrick weird? (yes) Why does this bother me so much?

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chefmarksamson t1_j22b5lf wrote

Both of those pronunciations are pretty common throughout Appalachia, and aren’t “wrong” so much as they are different. I’d imagine that it bothers you so much because you’ve internalized messaging that tells you that broad Mid-Atlantic and Midwestern accents are “correct,” and deviation from that is somewhere between nonstandard (northern working class accents like stereotypical Boston and New York accents) and ignorant (southern working class accents like Appalachian, Southern, and African American accents).

I’m from Southern West Virginia, and grew up ashamed of my accent. I thought it made me and everyone I knew sound like a dumbfuck hillbilly, so I managed to successfully shed it. Now I really like the regional variation everyone brings to their speech. I legit love hearing people from different parts of the country talk. Makes me wish I still had my accent.

Stop shaming your mom. There’s not going to be a test later or anything, and, honestly, if somebody wants to judge you for being working class, they’ll find a way to do it no matter how you speak.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j22cit5 wrote

She’s 65 and keeping the accent forever. Just genuinely wondering as I’ve never heard another pittsburgher say it that way. I’ll unlock my mom from the basement now and allow her to speak

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untamed_m t1_j222zex wrote

How does one say "of" without its sounding like "ov"?

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B0bb3r7 t1_j229lk4 wrote

>Is my mom weird? Is Carrick weird? (yes)

Love it.

To be fair, I've come to embrace Pittsburghese. I tried to push it away when I was younger. I went through a phase where I thought I was superior. Now I'm in a phase where I appreciate its authenticity. It's delightfully distinct. There are times when I'm glad that I can tone it down, particularly when engaging with non-native Pittsburghers. Lately though, I find myself wishing that I could also lay it on think like some of my family.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j22av4c wrote

Agree 100%. I embrace it more as I get older. I also get more yinzered as I drink and/or socialize with my fellow Pittsburghers :) I’ve struggled professionally with certain words and still do!

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Ok_Elephant2777 t1_j229mi3 wrote

In the South, you hear “ru-int”, as “This machine don’t work no more. It’s ruint.” Not sure if that’s better or worse.

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pparhplar t1_j24dnom wrote

You went to college. That's when it all became clear to me.

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Wide-Concert-7820 t1_j2498l3 wrote

Its immersion. As an area before the internet, your contact and conversation came from locals with the same dialect. It was almost impossible to escape falling into that pronounciation/dialect.

I think what is happening to the Yinzer dialect is also happening to many other regional dialects. Morphing into a central dialect.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j256jp8 wrote

I agree. I do hope it never ever goes away. But, that’s why we keep carrick around…

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tesla3by3 t1_j21ydru wrote

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j21yrak wrote

Amazing. I’ve seen this before how did I not think of this

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tesla3by3 t1_j228cci wrote

Is there a “w” sound? As in “roo-win”? I hear that often.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j22af97 wrote

Seriously she says “roining”. Ex) the quick brown fox was roin-ning the lazy dog’s nap. I wish it were roowin and I could let it slide…

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Karma4Clunkerz t1_j2570ge wrote

You can take the baby out of the burgh but can’t take the burgh out of the baby

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SparklesLuvsScotch t1_j269x3q wrote

When I first moved to Pittsburgh and heard (what I now know is) a Yinzer accent, I didn't know what it was. I thought it was more of a hillbilly accent and that the person was from West Virginia (not sure why, because I've never met anyone from West Virginia).

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WoodpeckerFar9804 t1_j26wssu wrote

My dad went to Germany once and even they knew he was from Pittsburgh because of his unique accent!

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Formal_Development_4 t1_j22inmk wrote

Ha! My chorus teacher in high school always complained about how people said giant eagle they would say it like Gian iggle.

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cgummo454 t1_j263wpy wrote

I just read this whole comment to myself in Pitsburghese and my friend you made my day.

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kitsandkats123 t1_j24mcb1 wrote

i’d cringe every time i heard “ruining” being pronounced like “coin” but with a “r,” so i can’t blame you for being bothered by that. my uncle has a heavy pittsburgh accent, to the point where i can’t decipher what he says at times, but he doesn’t pronounce it like that.

the way she pronounces “of” seems normal to me. however, i saw that you said it is more of an “awv” sound and now i can’t stop think thinking it is pronounced with a british accent.

anyways, i do think it is weird to be bothered by a lot of this. i went to pitt main, and not many people who go to pitt are born and raised in the inner city, with family who never left the historic neighborhoods (aka heavy accents), and when they would make a point over how i spoke or what i said, i would feel embarrassed. then, i’d get pissed off thinking about how they aren’t even locals and telling a local how to speak (this is petty and i’m aware). if you understand what i’m saying, why does it matter if i pronounce the way i was taught? unless she’s asking you to help her pronounce it another way or the way she does is blatantly wrong, why bother trying to change it?

i don’t think this is pittsburgh related, but i pronounce pattern like “pat-ter-in.” it is supposed to be pronounced like “pat-tern,” yet no one tries to correct me because who cares?

i’m also curious as to why you are trying to “recover” from your accent? i’m assuming you teach in the city or one of the suburbs, so what is the point of “recovering?” i’m genuinely curious and not trying to be snarky here.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j24p001 wrote

Just a joke and not trying to actually recover. To be honest, I was just trying to speak correctly to teach my students correctly. I actually noticed this because I was reading an excerpt to them and the sentence said, “Are our children…”. I’m standing in front of them going “AHR AHR children” like a damn pirate. Started to realize I say many things incorrectly such as: pull, pool, and pole. I say them all as “pull”. I honestly only watch how I speak when teaching; otherwise, I wouldn’t notice these things.

People took this so literally like I hate my mother for her accent. Clearly I have it, too! Guess this was more of a question of how to pronounce ruin and now I am ashamed I am working class and have an accent because Reddit came for me (from people who don’t have true yinzer families).

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kitsandkats123 t1_j26quqa wrote

i’m definitely one of the people who took everything you said literally, and i apologize about that! i’d like to believe most pittsburghers aren’t classist considering this city is famous for its working class history. most natives i know come from working class and still are, i personally just interpreted your original post incorrectly.

also, i refuse to believe there is a difference in “pole” vs “pool” vs “pull,” as well as “are” and “our.” everyone else in this country is wrong; they are all pronounced the same. no one can convince me otherwise.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j26rlvo wrote

No need to apologize. You explained yourself and even said you weren’t being snarky! I totally agree that there is no difference in those words. I can’t stop won’t stop. Told my students one time how we all say it the same. It was hysterical the whole class is going “pull…puuulllll…pul”. “Our” and “are” are seriously the hardest for me. So is “tile”. I said “floor tahl” in college and my roommate was from Harrisburg. Genuinely she was concerned for me. Didn’t even notice

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WoodpeckerFar9804 t1_j26wld7 wrote

I notice a lot of people say ‘roon’ or even ‘run’ for ruin. ‘Yinz better take dem shoes off atda door or yoool run the floor I just red up’

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KentuckYSnow t1_j24pxiz wrote

Not all locals talk with the accent, especially if they didn't grow up in a blue collar neighborhood with millworkers as family members. The accent is pretty rare in higher income families.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j24rpbz wrote

You are right. My parents are both very blue collar and from a long line of immigrant/steel mill workers. I’m proud of it! Can’t deny that in our day in age that WE (millennials/Gen Z/Gen X) cannot walk into a professional situation and start saying THE STOCKS ARE DAHN, DEM RAIZES ARNET COMMIN, OPEN UP YER COMPUTER. BE CAREFUL, THE FLOOR IS SLIPPY. I NEED TO GUMBAND THESE FINANCE REPORTS”.

Like, yes, you can say those things and fck em if they make fun of you, but in reality, we can’t full on yinzer in every situation.

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dawndzwv t1_j2axcoj wrote

How do you say “rural” and “crayon”. We moved from east of Monroeville to Southern New Jersey as I was starting 6th grade. Talk about a culture shock! For college and through my 30’s lived in MD near Frederick. Learned more regional differences. Now I’m back in WV near Pittsburgh. Full circle. Needless to say my family says I have a unique way of saying words!

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321fishing123 t1_j24odue wrote

People have different dialects in different places. Theres no right or wrong way to say things. Your approach towards your mother is somewhat bigoted.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j24q0mr wrote

Are you even from Pittsburgh? It’s funny to talk about the accent if you’re from here. You don’t get it. My mom actually told me people at her work make fun of her heavy Pittsburgh accent and she tries to correct it. There is 10000% a correct way to say things. Are you kidding? This an a light hearted discussion about OUR accent. Don’t call be bigoted. It’s my mf mom?

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321fishing123 t1_j24winw wrote

Born and raised kid. Anyone whos ashamed of the yinzer accent isnt a true yinzer. Terrible post.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j2568bp wrote

You’re a car salesmen in Pittsburgh it looks like. I WANT to buy a car from a true yinzer. I do not want my children learning the wrong way to say things in school. i.e. why I even care about pronunciation. Not a terrible post, you just don’t agree.

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RavenXII13 t1_j22bj31 wrote

From what it seems like, Pittsburghese isn't as popular anymore. Almost dead even. So, just let it happen. Seems pretty charming.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j22cssw wrote

That’s true - it is charming as I’ve never really thought about it going away. Every generation of my fam has it but not the kids. Hopefully the gems get passed down. I’m not perfect and can hear the accent still. Gotta let my mom live 😂

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chippersonofYork t1_j22deoe wrote

Because you are embarrassed of your parents. And ungrateful.

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Emergency-Ad-4671 OP t1_j22ee6p wrote

You spelled Pittsburgh wrong in your bio. Don’t hate on me bc you wish you were from here

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