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BurkeyTurger t1_iydsz0n wrote
Awful, hopefully someone will recognize them and do the right thing.
I know you can't carry on VCU property but can you at least have pepper spray? Or do they completely leave their staff to the wolves?
lunar_unit t1_iydtg61 wrote
It's hard for me to fathom the desperate mind of a person(s) who gets into an accident, flees, and then carjacks someone.
Maybe they were already driving a stolen vehicle or had contraband in the car or are wanted by LE already, but damn, what a stressful life.
Nothing2SeeHere4U t1_iydu14q wrote
> The victim told police that he had parked his car in the deck and was walking towards an elevator when he heard two people calling for help. When he stopped to check on them, they assaulted him before taking his car keys and other belongings and drove away in a green 2015 Lexus ES 350 with Virginia tags UHG-4188.
Maybe I'm just quibbling over nothing, but it seems particularly fucked up to call out for help in order to find a target you can mug. Fuck these people, I hope the victim is okay
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Suicidal_pr1est t1_iydvfqj wrote
That parking garage has had multiple cars stolen in the past as well. Not exactly a safe place to come to work.
10000Didgeridoos OP t1_iydvhsg wrote
It's nuts that VCU has metal detectors at the emergency room entrance, but not for any other MCV building entrance, as if the people coming in to the emergency room and the people coming in to the other departments are somehow totally different.
BurkeyTurger t1_iydvm08 wrote
Well yeah concealed means concealed.
That's still a little harder, and with more repercussions if caught, for a staffer to pull off than someone visiting or walking through.
10000Didgeridoos OP t1_iydvnvj wrote
Oh you can be 100 percent sure the crashed car was stolen and/or they had warrants out for themselves already. That's the only reason you'd be desperate enough to go full 3 star wanted level over a minor traffic accident.
It's amazing how the asswipes who steal cars always are such terrible drivers that they crash them. You'd think your goal in a stolen car would be to not draw more attention to yourselves.
10000Didgeridoos OP t1_iydwai3 wrote
TBH I wouldn't risk trying to pepper spray two men who for all you know might have guns. You're not going to win that fight by yourself even if they don't. Just let them have what they want and hope that's it. If they already got the jump on you there isn't much you're going to be able to do. Pepper spray needs to be pretty accurate since it's a liquid designed to not mist into the user's own eyes. The odds of you taking down two grown ass dudes with accurate pepper spray shots are not great. The second you pull that out of a pocket to point at one, you're getting beaten down by the other one.
Unless you're John Wick.
10000Didgeridoos OP t1_iydwh8l wrote
Yep. Doublefuck these turds for that extra bit of scumminess.
WhalerBum t1_iydwh9g wrote
I don’t believe that anyone thinks you are quibbling over nothing….
WhalerBum t1_iydwk3t wrote
Of course the car was stolen.
WhalerBum t1_iydwqbv wrote
I illegally carried my entire time at VCU. Wasn’t taking that risk.
BurkeyTurger t1_iydwzwu wrote
To each their own, it is still better to have the option to have it if you want to try to spray and run. Not just in this case, but just in general.
Never been a fan of the "just bend over and take it mentality".
Edit: They do sell both gel, foam, and mist types. The latter you're likely to get some blowback but you get a bigger cloud.
10000Didgeridoos OP t1_iydx9ng wrote
Yep. And there is zero security presence in those things. You're on your own. And you have to pay VCU a monthly fee for this privilege!
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turtle_stank t1_iydy531 wrote
It wouldn't be unusual if they are
BurkeyTurger t1_iydye2k wrote
Thank you, the weapons policy page I got from googling didn't mention pepper spray either way so I wasn't sure.
HatefulDan t1_iydypj2 wrote
Look like kids to me. Still, old enough to know better. But they still look like kids
KazahanaPikachu t1_iydzdt7 wrote
That ship has long sailed when that guy rolled a tank through the city a few years back
RedPandemik t1_iydzjo4 wrote
What happened?
Diet_Coke t1_iydzqip wrote
>You'd think your goal in a stolen car would be to not draw more attention to yourselves.
That's like 2 or 3 levels of thinking beyond what they're doing. The goal of stealing a car is either to use it in a crime so it can't be traced back to you, or to drive like an insane idiot for TikToks
Suicidal_pr1est t1_iye1ncf wrote
Don’t forget it rains in the stairwells when it’s raining!
kilofoxtrotfour t1_iye2aqk wrote
I've worked in the prison system, this isn't an uncommon mentality. It's despicable for them to yell for "Help", play the victim & then carjack/rob them. The take-away lesson: "Have a plan to kill anyone you try to help". I work in EMS & try to take a constant role as a Good Samaritan, but at the end of the day, you should always have an escape plan & the means to defend yourself with a blade or bullets.
onewayover t1_iye2hw2 wrote
Recalling the time me and another dude realized we both had the good ol’ pocket-rocket in the MCalc bathroom. Worst case scenario for students is expulsion, you can’t be arrested for violating a “policy”.
10000Didgeridoos OP t1_iye2o7s wrote
Wild how many internet tough guys up voting this comment think they have the fighting prowess to take down two men who had the jump on them already...and with pepper spray? How do you plan on taking down two guys with a pepper spray vial? Please detail how you'd do that for us. Again, you're not John Wick.
I only meant in this particular instance it wouldn't have helped, not that carrying it was pointless in all cases. You aren't pepper spraying your way out of a robbery when it's you vs two guys your size or bigger. So you're saying if you were this victim who was suddenly assaulted by two dudes without warning because you thought they needed help, you'd be able to pull pepper spray out of a pocket and hit both quickly enough and accurately enough to get away without them beating you to death? Good luck with that, sorry. If you're already outmanned and don't have time to react like this, trying to fight them is a good way to go from simply being robbed to being killed.
It's not "bending over and letting them have it." Spare us the assrape metaphor, please.
It's the correct decision to maximize your chance of getting out alive and without severe injury because you decided you, a hospital employee caught by surprise, were capable of subduing two male attackers inside a parking garage despite the fact you have zero hand to hand combat training or experience. Again, good luck with that. This isn't a movie. You'd get your head slammed into the concrete, or if they have guns, get shot and killed over your car keys when simply giving them up was an option. No self defense expert anywhere advocates trying to fight back as a first option.
But real talk I don't see what the point of pepper spray is in a state with concealed carry. If you're that afraid of being attacked, you'd be much better off with a CC gun than trying to flail pepper spray into someone's eyes, and someone attacking you is much more likely to run and leave when seeing a gun pulled than a pepper spray device. Why would you carry pepper spray instead of a handgun if you want a self defense weapon? That makes no sense.
idoescompooters t1_iye31fn wrote
Carry your pepper spray folks.
Dead_Hours t1_iye35bw wrote
BurkeyTurger t1_iye4lbt wrote
None of us know the exact details how it went down, what floor, how close to an exit, etc. but don't pretend that spray and run is never a viable strategy, especially in a relatively well trafficked part of town in broad daylight.
Who is talking about fighting them? Pepper spray isn't for subduing it is literally just to disorient to give you a chance to get away.
Obviously a gun is better but the point of pepper spray is if you are forced by your employer/state to otherwise disarm yourself it is better than nothing.
flowrpowr00 t1_iye5x8e wrote
Ugh this makes me depressed, but you’re prob right ☹️
reebokhightops t1_iye6b2x wrote
Going by your logic, you would really have to hope that all they want are your possessions.
It’s important to assess each situation and make the best decision you can with what little time you have, but you can bet your ass that my wife, who parks on D deck every day, is carrying pepper spray going forward. If you want to give the benefit of the doubt to potentially violent criminals, then I wish you the best of luck with that.
reebokhightops t1_iye78yc wrote
Well said.
It’s another tool in your tool belt, plain and simple. Better to have it and not need it, and all that.
Tylerjb4 t1_iye7gee wrote
Stay strapped
Tylerjb4 t1_iye7l0j wrote
I believe it’s also a crime. Let me look real quick.
Tylerjb4 t1_iye7yd5 wrote
You should get her a Glock instead
rabbiferret t1_iye89pw wrote
JrWhopper09 t1_iye8raa wrote
I do it daily on GTA 5. It's not so bad, really 😏
WhalerBum t1_iye8xz7 wrote
I’m pretty sure they can escort you off campus and hit you with a trespassing charge. As the say, I’d rather be judged by 12 for a trespassing charge than carried by 6 lol
reebokhightops t1_iye8z9j wrote
We have numerous handguns, but you can’t carry on VCU properly and she’s not going to jeopardize her career to do so.
tristyntrine t1_iyea8il wrote
I can't get over how VCU makes their staff pay for parking, even nursing home/rehab facilities in dc have free gated parking at times lmao.
FalloutRip t1_iyeaip2 wrote
To be fair it was a tracked personnel carrier, not a tank. Not even really armored.
And truthfully the Army was more impressed that it made it to Richmond from Blackstone without breaking down. Those M577s are notoriously unreliable turds.
Asterion7 t1_iyebzhp wrote
That's a pretty typical crime tactic.
7th-cup-of-coffee t1_iyec6dr wrote
I feel terrible sometimes because when a random stranger asks for help, my first response is to be suspicious and stay away. Situations like this make me feel somewhat justified?
FalloutRip t1_iyechpe wrote
Concealed is concealed, after all. Part of the reason I left ODU was because carry on campus was banned, and yet Norfolk PD was going jack shit about muggings, assaults, etc. and I had a few night classes in buildings without close parking.
choicebutts t1_iyedd5r wrote
In addition, some pepper sprays are UV marking so the attacker can be identified later. Even if you don't score a direct hit to the face, the attacker is marked and won't know it until the cops shine a black light on them.
Economy-Maybe-6714 t1_iyefnmx wrote
Whoah, so you are saying a self defense instructor would advise not to defend if being assulted?
123takeapissonme t1_iyefxjn wrote
Ya know I really don’t believe in the whole “age=intelligence” thing.
I’ve known 40+ year olds who are still absolutely stupid
Lsufaninva t1_iyeizy1 wrote
My Springfield armory 9mm identifies as a pocket protector,I should be safe
SyntheticManMilk t1_iyek7mq wrote
Yeah… I’m starting my CC permit class next week.
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chairmanbrando t1_iyel8sc wrote
Most crimes like this are committed by the youths.
onewayover t1_iyelk4e wrote
They can ask you to leave campus because you are breaking policy. If you refuse that’s why & when you get trespassed.
Tylerjb4 t1_iyelwpj wrote
Good luck. Remember the golden rules.
Tylerjb4 t1_iyem16n wrote
I mean, I agree. I just also think there’s legislation
Glen_YngkinDid_9-11 t1_iyem85a wrote
AHAHAHAHA SO FUNNY HAHAHA
Glen_YngkinDid_9-11 t1_iyemejb wrote
Good luck in court lol
Abject_Ad_7661 t1_iyeny47 wrote
And sometimes by the utes
lostspyder t1_iyeo75m wrote
The existence of stupid adults doesn’t preclude the fact that our brains literally don’t finish developing until our mid/late 20s.
taygoods t1_iyeomee wrote
And yet its the most coveted parking deck to park in by employees
Suicidal_pr1est t1_iyep9gp wrote
Tells you how shitty the other choices are
WhalerBum t1_iyeu79u wrote
No fuckin way do two yelling running kids need any help from me. I’ll get safe and away as fast as possible and call 911 if the situation seems to call for it.
momthom427 t1_iyeunbx wrote
I worked for ten years for another hospital system, and though we obviously had arguments in the ER, we had almost as many incidents on the Mother Baby/Delivery floor. Ridiculous stuff. Three times when I was on duty, we had a baby daddy with two different baby mamas in the hospital at the same time. And the baby mama families would fight each other over the piece of crap baby daddy. I never understood why the two families didn’t join the same team and fight the daddy instead. It’s a crazy world.
Henhouse808 t1_iyevjdo wrote
Just a Robust Campus Experience
kob59 t1_iyewi5j wrote
Intelligence is positively correlated with moral reasoning in adolescents. In the moment, blood pumping with adrenaline, they’re able to effectively problem solve — find temporary cover, and reduce the time needed to find a drivable car in a big parking deck by calling out or help. I would argue that they’re likely intelligent, capable of moral reasoning, and chose not to use it. My heart breaks for kids that do stuff like this, and the people they do it to.
Otter_Than_That t1_iyf2n0x wrote
Which version of GTA though?
lolicraft t1_iyf5t4w wrote
Well if all else fails, maybe this is why people tell other to yell FIRE instead when they’re in trouble
MiserableAd9470 t1_iyf6oqj wrote
They will definitely get caught , those pictures are clear as day
flippingflapper t1_iyf6qmc wrote
I park in this parking garage all the time for work. This is unsettling to say the least.
sirensinger17 t1_iyf74uc wrote
It's cause it's connected to the hospital. The VCU lot I have to use is a 10 minute walk, completely uphill, and lots of cars there have had their catalytic converters stolen
DeannaZone t1_iyf868p wrote
I had a neighbor who always joked around with his roommate well I never knew him, he stayed in mostly, he actually left the house, and was sneaking up on the roommate who was a female, I saw this with my son and had my phone on 911, but thankfully she called out that it was alright, because I do not take it lightly as someone who has been abused, I always got my eyes on my surroundings and if someone calls out for help I call 911 first, always have someone on the phone with you, because of this exact situation where someone will take advantage of you.
_ponds t1_iyf86q6 wrote
Ahh the memories, I literally moved into my old apartment that day and was chilling on my couch when I heard all these police cars go by after what sounded to me like a heavy loaded truck go by. Swear the guy passed my place lol. That was my “welcome to Richmond” haha
kilofoxtrotfour t1_iyf8ryg wrote
anyone worth shooting once is worth shooting twice ? :)
Diet_Coke t1_iydsvie wrote
RVA becoming GTA