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Cannabis smoke and hempseed cake are two very, very different things.

So a pot publication reported on stoned goats tasting better?

How would they know?

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Here's the study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0309174023000207

Hemp isn't psychoactive.

Bruh they’re talking about feeding hemp plants to goats not inviting them to the smoke circle

I've always aspired to have shelf-stable meat. Starting a hemp diet today!

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Is the goat meat halal?

Goats are sapient beings who feel pain and fear death.

They are also delicious and nutritious.

So are plant foods

hemp protein is very very good for humans too. its more effective than any other protein in the treatment of tuberculosis.

> The two main proteins in hempseed are edestin and albumin. Both of these high-quality storage proteins are easily digested and contain nutritionally significant amounts of all essential amino acids. In addition, hempseed has exceptionally high levels of the amino acid arginine. Hempseed has been used to treat various disorders for thousands of years in traditional oriental medicine.

They certainly aren’t as delicious as goats but if it helps you to feel morally superior then I’m glad you enjoy it.

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Causing harm for no reason but your own pleasure is the definition of immoral behavior.

I'm not a vegetarian, but it's kinda hard to argue they aren't morally superior

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Yes, because there’s no human or animal suffering associated with commercial vegetable farming.

Who said there wasn't?

By that logic we should abandon our cities and go back to living in huts with nothing given how destructive modern society is to many organisms.

Or is pleasure only a problem when it comes to food?

If there’s human and animal suffering in vegetable farming it makes your argument that eating vegetables is morally superior appear pretty superficial, if not completely detached from the reality of food production.

This comment shows how clueless you are

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>The Quran does not expressly prohibit cannabis

I got told it's ok as long as you aren't a mess or if it's medication but like all religions there are people who disagree.

here are the groups limiting it and even though trumps terrible he still passed the legislation to get hemp flower legalized so people with epilepsy have a nonnarcotic option.

Abandoning cities and returning to living in huts would obviously cause considerable harm combined with how impracticable it would be.

Not eating animals is very easy and also greatly reduces unnecessary suffering.

Also i love how suggesting to not stab innocent animals in the throat is somehow comparable to abandoning modern living. Touch some grass.

Arguing that eating plants causes comparable deaths or suffering to eating animals demonstrates how detached you are from the reality of 'food' production.

It's not comparable. One choice minimizes suffering, the other maximizes harm.

> Abandoning cities and returning to living in huts would obviously cause considerable harm combined with how impracticable it would be.

It would cause far less harm than the amount of damage wrought upon ecosystems every day by modern living. Your concern was over morality, not practicality.

> Not eating animals is very easy and also greatly reduces unnecessary suffering.

So do many societal pleasures, if not most. Are we giving those up too?

> Also i love how suggesting to not stab innocent animals in the throat is somehow comparable to abandoning modern living. Touch some grass.

You claimed it was immoral to cause harm for your own pleasure. Humans cause tremendous harm every day in pursuit of their various pleasures. Don’t make a blanket statement if you can’t defend it.

People shouldn't be eating goats... it's evil.

Uh no it would cause millions if not billions of people to die from exposure and hunger.

If you're getting pleasure from some activity that requires stabbing someone else in the throat then yes, obviously, you should also stop.

Yes, it is immoral to cause unnecessary intentional and easily avoidable harm. This should be obvious.

Dwight will be pleased to hear this.

Ah yes, the venerable Marijuana Herald proffering another rigorous scientific study from the University of Pretoria in the legendary publication, 'Meat Science.'

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They are sentient. Not sapient. There is a difference

> Uh no it would cause millions if not billions of people to die from exposure and hunger.

And it would save trillions of innocent organisms.

> If you're getting pleasure from some activity that requires stabbing someone else in the throat then yes, obviously, you should also stop.

You understand in order to provide the real estate, electricity, infrastructure, etc needed for modern society kills far far more organisms than we consume for food right?

Every watt of electricity you consume contributes to innocent suffering in someway. It should be easy to give up most entertainment then. No one needs television, video games, etc to survive.

> Yes, it is immoral to cause unnecessary intentional and easily avoidable harm. This should be obvious.

Ok I’m glad you’re onboard with giving up most societal luxuries.

sentient

Go tell that to the lions and wolves, see how they respond to that

They aren't morally superior

If humans are a problem, is eradicating them ethical?

You’re scared and wrong. Go vegan

Non narcotic? There are non benzo and non barbituate anti seizure meds already.

There are cases of epilepsy that are treatment resistent that hemp / medical cannabis does help.

But don't pretend it is the only non narcotic option out there.

https://www.epilepsy.com/advocacy/priorities/medical-cannabis-cbd

This response is key.

We are a virus, therefore eradicating us is OK

How's that for an ethical argument?

When it comes down to it, both ethics and morals are just made up by humans anyway... and broken every day by just about everyone

And if you (anyone) think you're superior, morally or otherwise, because you don't eat meat... then you need to educate yourself further.

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While I don't agree with people who have a chip on their shoulder and feeingl morally superior(while simultaneously admiring them for having principles they stand by and a passion they believe in)... you know that the level of deaths brought on by combines is smaller than the harm of caused by the food industry.

From needless animal suffering, to the environmental impacts, such as the Amazon rainforest being burned down for cattle ranching, there are tons of problems that come from using animals as a food source, especially in a modern society

the protein im talking about is in hempseed. hempseed is already legal almost everywhere.

Can you understand the difference between causing incidental harm by existing in modern society, and stabbing someone in the throat for taste pleasure?

How is that any different than consuming unnecessary resources that contribute to suffering?

Why is eating an animal worse than playing a video game that causes the death of an animal or another organism? Neither is necessary for survival.

Because you don't have to stab an animal to play a video game? At this point I don't think you're taking this seriously. And if you are ... if you had to stab an animal to play a video game then you shouldn't play that game.

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Yeah but not one that matters. Both sentient and sapient beings feel pain and don't want to die.

The Qur'an prohibits intoxicants.

Read that as “ghosts”. I was super intrigued and confused

Goat is horrid I don’t think it can be made better

Hemp hemp hooray!

So you don't have a rebuttal to anything they said, gotcha.

Meat Science has an impact score of 6.79 which isn't bad.. https://www.resurchify.com/impact/details/21219

Nicotine too?

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Stop abusing animals please

In your opinion

There will always be suffering. Raising animals for meat, milk and cheese doesn’t automatically equate to animal suffering or cruelty. Just as farming and plant based diets are not inherently ethical. There is a great deal of human and animal suffering and cruelty inherent in the labor required for large scale food production and distribution. Your privileged esthetic choice to eat plants is not in any way morally superior to the alternative, despite your assertion to the contrary.

You do know they are burning the Amazon to create arable farmland to feed their families right?

How about the fact that significantly more arable farmland will be required if we want everyone to make the “morally correct” choice to switch to a plant based diet than if we continue using animals as a food source.

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Doesn't the middle east produce the most opium in the world?

Would imagine the goats are easier to catch too.

Killing animals for taste pleasure is morally equal to not killing animals for taste pleasure.

It is a privilege to not eat dead bodies for taste pleasure.

Suffering will always exist so it's okay to kill animals for taste pleasure.

Farming potatoes isn't inherently ethical so its morally equal to stabbing baby goats in the throat because their dead bodies taste nice..

That's a fantastic set of arguments you've collected. In my opinion.

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Imagine how tasty stoners are. Oh, you wouldn't?

I'm not here to defend the Qur'an or opium growers, if that's what you were thinking.

You're missing his point.

The generation of that energy causes death. Birds killed by windmills. Habitat destruction to extract lithium, cobalt, oil, gas, coal, manganese, etc. Pollution to process that raw material into usable fuels or equipment to generate and distribute that energy. Massive amounts of destruction and death for the animals in that wake.

Notice, even so called green sources are in this category.

That's not to mention the toxic pollution generated to make the semiconductors in that video game, not the toxins that will leach out if and when it is improperly disposed of.

Cannabis is illegal because the government doesn't want to let us taste ghost meat.

Probably does the same thing to humans. Trials unnecessary.

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That...is just not remotely true

(The second part)

That's a ridiculous argument to make in the 21st century

Again. Causing incidental harm by existing in modern society is unavoidable. Just because birds might die to a windmill doesn't mean using electricity is equivalent to choosing to breed, raise and slaughter birds for taste pleasure.

You're arguing that because toxins might leak from some computer component, you may as well stab puppies in the neck for the yum yums.

Around 80 billion animals are murdered every year, participation of which is perfectly avoidable by not buying their dead bodies. That's not even counting the billions more killed from habitat loss. Animal agriculture is by far the largest driver of species extinction. 80% of Amazon deforestation is from cattle farming. That's true "Massive amounts of destruction and death for the animals in that wake".

"While it is true that some birds die every year by flying into turbine towers or blades, the actual numbers are negligible." https://us.orsted.com/renewable-energy-solutions/offshore-wind/seven-facts-about-offshore-wind/birds

Also, I don't see why we can't work to reduce such incidental harms where we are able.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug

Paper made from hemp is less damaging to the environment but the paper industry keep working to block it becoming a thing

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>You do know they are burning the Amazon to create arable farmland to feed their families right?

Beef is an expensive commodity, and grass-fed beef is especially so. In our globalized food production network, beef raised in one place can be sold anywhere around world. The best places to raise cattle for grass-fed beef have high rainfall for faster grass growth; you can have more cattle on the same amount of land and/or can supplement their diets with less grain.

The Amazon is not being burned to make room for family farms so the people can grow food to eat; it's being burned to make way for cattle ranches, because it's a highly profitable use for that land by the capitalist class of Brazil. Brazil is the largest exporter of beef in the world.

A matter of taste I suppose. I personally love stewed or curried goat.

That's actually pretty impressive for a food science journal, it looks like it's one of the best. I've seen a lot of scam journals and that's exactly what they'd name one. The joke was more about how the comments on this sub immediately go off the rails when anything cannabis related is posted.

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I know when I smoke a joint with my goat and drink it's milk it always taste a little better but yeah not too sure if it's because I'm stoned it taste good or because the goat is stoned

To Serve Man

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Or.... A few more Hannibal Lecters hanging around the stoners.

We should stop telling people to go watch animals get decapitated, they don't deserve it.

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Maybe we should eat the hemp ourselves then.

I can’t afford decent hemp protein. Gotta ask these goats how they do it.

You can be blissful all you want but it’s still happening

Tbf, pretty much all r/science threads these days get sanitized because 85% of the top level comments are either dumb jokes, personal anecdotes, or sarcastic "oh wow, we really needed to study THIS?!?" comments.

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My flesh must be as shelf stable as twinkies at this point

I’m gonna connect a few dots here and say the the US states are legalizing marijuana so that cannibalistic deep state regime gets better tasting and longer lasting human meat. Or, it just makes sense because it’s safer and healthier than tobacco and alcohol. Whichev.

I've heard that hemp fiber-based clothing is more sustainable too, but the cotton industry doesn't like that.

We don't eat animals because they "deserve it". We eat animals because we can farm them and meat is an amazing source of nutrients.

So since we can, we should decapitate goats?

I remember like 10 years ago Joe Rocket (motorcycle gear company) came out with a hemp fibre riding jacket. I saw it in person and it felt extremely durable, like a heavier-duty canvas. Would be great for work pants and stuff too.

You should also stop eating bananas, quinoa, and a fairly large list of other agricultural products that are loaded with human rights abuses, human slavery, and child exploitation because they don't deserve that either.

I'm going to guess though that you're one of those people who doesn't give a good god damn about human suffering because of how obsessed you are over animal suffering. One day we will actually see people getting screamed at in public for eating a banana just like they do for meat products, but it'll probably be a while before the woke community decides humans are worth protecting.

Yes we should stand up against human exploitation. There are 20,000 edible plants. You don’t have to eat bananas, quinoa, avocados, almonds, etc.

So because there is human exploitation does that justify decapitating goats?

I'm not an expert in the field, buy we should use whichever method is optimal for putting down the animal while trying to avoid needless suffering.

Would you consider the act of putting down the animal needless?

If I intend to consume an animal's meat, then putting it down is necessary. There are methods of extracting certain organs from animals while they still live (like duck livers (foie gras), for example); I am against these practices since they generate needless suffering.

So consuming animals is not necessary for survival, it was only for taste pleasure. We can make very tasty food without killing. Does your thirst for meat justify decapitating goats?

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we need to also stop eating basically all produce grown commercially and sold at grocery stores because of the human rights abuse TFW's receive. I bet /u/corpjuk shops at the farmers market "because its local "organic" produce. (hint: it isn't)

eat humans? no I'm not a cannibal, I'm a omnivore.

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I shop at the same stores has everyone else, I just stopped eating animals. It’s not perfect, but it’s a huge and easy change.

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Decapitating goats is wrong.

I love eating plants, let’s end animal abuse

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How do you think the goat feels getting it’s head cut off?

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It's not just for taste pleasure. It's a great source of protein, for example, much better than any vegetable. It's a very convenient and dense source of nutrients overall. I don't see any impediments to animal slaughter as long as it's for consumption; I consider it justified.

There is plenty of protein in plants such as seitan, tofu, beans, legumes. There is no need to eat meat for survival. Mass breeding and killing is wrong.

And yet you seem wholly unable to actually rebut the argument.

Less pain than if it was being eaten alive by a pack of wolves. Nature is a harsh mistress and nobody makes it out of here alive.

So what’s your solution? Given that beef is one of Brazil’s biggest exports and the money that is generated by this production and exportation improves the lives of countless Brazilian people. Should they simply suffer and die in poverty? Morality is simple when you don’t have to actually suffer the consequences firsthand. When you can simply sit on your high horse and say “meat bad” when you drive to your local market and enjoy the privilege of being able to purchase any number of globally sourced out of season fruits and vegetables with no thought to the suffering involved in their production.

"goat should be butchering ready at about 8-10 months of age"

Do you think goats in the wild cannot survive longer than that?

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Do you think they all make it that long in the wild?

Nature isn’t this magical place where all the animals frolic happily through green fields and die of old age.

Except there’s no place has 20,000 plants, maybe big cities and you have to visit multiple supermarkets or buy from internet.

In most places far from cities, they have only dozens edibles plants and 3 or 4 kind of animals, which feed their society for thousand years without fail except bad weathers.

Actually yes.

“Kids are weaned after 6 months. Female goats reach sexual maturity at 1½–2½ years, males at 3½–4 years. The lifespan of a goat can be from 12 to 22 years.”

Animals do survive and have populations. We need to rewild the Earth.

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