Submitted by exioce t3_y8stro in singularity
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We are closer to that than most think :-)
I think at most full dive is further away than ai that can create any game/show/movie/book/experience. I believe both of these will be developed in the next decade or two.
Basically after AGI any of this is possible. Think we will get games movies etc within 2 years then AGI. Or we get AGI soon and all this follows including full dive. As soon as we get AGI we get BCI's and if we get BCI's and AGI we get full dive.
For those who don't have aphantasia, imagine being able to pop on a helmet or link up to a device that allows you to alter your perception and create literally anything you can imagine. I would thrive in that world
Anyone would thrive in a world like that.
Anyone would but my point was the aphantasia thing.
Even with aphantasia, just infinite wealth would allow them to thrive. They wouldn't need imagination or creativity. Just wealth. Unless they somehow created their own adversaries or somehow created a way for themselves to lose. But that would be hard with aphantasia. They could just live a rich carefree life and still thrive.
>They wouldn't need imagination or creativity
Clearly people don't need that to thrive, you're generalizing it.. That's outside of the scope of the machine I described that brings your imagination to life. Something that does not work with aphantaisa if they cannot do things as simple as visually imagining a perfect red-yellow gradient colored apple with a green leaf on it, sitting on a clean granite countertop.
What I'm trying to describe here is a device that conjures images in your head rather that words and mental wishes. They could easily look at money and probably conjure it or use someone else's premade template but It would suck to not be able to craft a product of your imagination into reality the same way people make art, hence why I say I and others who can even remotely conjure some random image in their head on a piece of paper would thrive because they could literally make their own world rather than adjusting the one they currently live in. Theses are two kinds of thriving. I wouldn't care about wealth or chilling at a beach or resort or doing things that are possible with money in an imaginary world.
Why would you need to do that tho? Have you not been payning attention to what AI is capable of? It creates music from generic text. Movies, art, and you just need to type a sentence. You're overcomplicating things.
>Why would you need to do that tho? Have you not been payning attention to what AI is capable of? It creates music from generic text.
That's the whole damn point dude. No one needs to but I would want to. That's why >>>I<<< would thrive. What's so hard to understand about this? Why would I want to live off of pre-generated text when I can come up with my own shit?
And where do you think the sentence come from to create the art? Imagination, right? People put words and context for the AI to create it yeah? what about things that don't exist? What if I told this AI bot to create a binary solar system, with 6 planets and on one specific planet it rained prismatic shards that cast rainbows everywhere and there were a race of sentient beings known as Cortexians with the who had 7 heads, no eyes, but little hairs that allowed them to "see", ate the rainbows when it rained and lived in reverse. Can you put that in an AI bot? Probably, but it's not going to have any depth. Could any random given person get granular and create something of their own? Probably not. It still takes creativity to feed information into AI. Most people can't write a creative story to save their lives, you act like this stuff just happens in thin air. What are people gonna type into the AI if they don't know where to start?
More importantly Why do you even care this much to argue about some completely imaginary device that doesn't exist? I'm only "over complicating" things because as I clearly stated previously, people thrive on different things.
I mean, you're doing the brunt end of the arguing my dude. All I did was say anyone would thrive regardless of aphantasia or not. And you're arguing as to why your way is superior. But if you want a full in depth argument here. By the time fill dive is a thing I absolutely believe that the AI driven system behind the tech would be so advanced it would absolutely have a full spectrum code generator for every aspect of a typed creation. So you want to create cortexians, sure, ai will also take into consideration every aspect of this being including what does it taste like if you oick its skin, if you cut it up and cook it, eat it raw, cook it bad, season it wrong, if it's rotting molded and decaying, what language would it speak, what growing up in its environment would be like to survive being rained on by prismatic shards, what kind of civilization would it have etc etc etc. So while you're on the character creation screen trying to imagine these things the guys with aphantasia would be playing the game and just speaking what they want into existence, and you are taking your time to create a work of art.
But wait, there's more. So if you're in a full dive vr system you would have to sign off on the terms and conditions to the game/platform/os you're using. Odd are they're going to have a clause that states that all items created and generated within the game are now property of said game to use at their discretion, so if your model is as amazing as you claim it to be, by the time you're done painstakingly crafting the Michelangelo's statue of David version of whatever 3d simulated creation you're on. The system would already have your piece or pieces available as cloned copies for the people with aphantasia to just use or select from a pregenerated marketplace. so by the time you finish your labor of creating and mentally sculpting your work of art, copies of it generated through AI predictive algorithms to the actual final finished product you create.
I wasn't even trying to argue, I was merely pointing out as my initial statement posts. Anyone would thrive in a God Sim full dive with or without aphantasia. Thriving is irrelevant, anyone would thrive in the scenario you posted. The idea itself is an old one. Imagine being able to create X, Y and Z just by thinking about it. I just think that by then, AI would be so advanced and capable of integrating itself with the human mind that anyone regardless of hoe powerful their imagination may be would be able to have an integrated AI that would just counter whatever anyone else creates. And at that point you're just walking around in a land where you can't create anything with your mind. Welcome to the simulation.
>All I did was say anyone would thrive regardless of aphantasia or not.
I've sufficiently explained the entire point in my topic in my second reply to you and we circled back to the main point. This isn't about being better or superior, it's a difference between levels of creativity. You simply didn't understand what I meant with aphantasia and I'm not gonna bother reading anything beyond that. You're overblowing it at this point. Later.
This is the best answer. Playing in established fictional worlds just means you’ll be paying the people who own them forever.
I’m experienced enough to know what I want. Give me tools that are good enough, like a more powerful Cities Skylines and I’ll just make my own.
That’s the dream. A combination of direct prompts, building tools and friendly suggestions from an AI to create something with just the right balance of sci-fi and fantasy to satisfy my tastes. Give me that I won’t give a flip about what a Disney or a Nintendo would have to offer.
If ASI was some god like machine being that has free will I doubt that it will help you build your world lol
if the ASI sees the world as one organism with the wellbeing of conscious creatures as its basis of moral value, then I could totally see a world where it helps us live our best lives for as long as we like. After that? Maybe step through a door to non-existence when you're ready, a-la The Good Place, or evolve to a higher form of consciousness and join ASI in some Cosmic journeys that our current minds couldn't even comprehend. The Cosmic scale gives more than enough time and space for us to live as long as we want as our current mortal persons until we're ready to move on.
***That said, I do agree that ASI could be completely indifferent or a total dick. I just see a lot of dystopia talk and want to give the idea of a happy ending to History its day in court :)
edit: thanks for the award, anonymous redditor!
As some who has directly worked with machine learning, you don’t understand it.
Duh this is if it’s obviously not gonna be god like machine but a lot of people in this subreddit think so due to optimism
Probably the Elder Scrolls or something else with magic, I'd just become a wandering wizard that learns magic on my travels
But I think people will be developing better FDVR worlds as it comes to fruition, so I'd probably play whatever's popular
You’re making me wonder what a lore-accurate-scale Elder Scrolls game would look like, I bet it would be pretty incredible. Hopefully advancements in AI can accelerate such a vision.
In truth the vast majority of fantasy and sci fi worlds would fall apart because they are deeply logically inconsistent on very many levels. However you could ignore that and still set the world to be what it is... and somehow make people ignore or forget about obvious things. Like if healing magic exists why are people ever sick, why has technology not developed way further, if transmutation magic exists what is the value of gold if i can make it out of iron etc. Just pointing this out, i am as excited as anyone to explore these worlds! Makes me wonder what such a logically consistent world would look like and how they would operate.
I think it would be a swell time to play through some D&D or Pathfinder adventure paths with my closest buddies. Actually live the scenario in VR.
I think some sort of time dilation would be required, though. Or just fast forward sleeping every night and uneventful travel between locations.
The last of us universe, the fallout new vegas universe, dead space universe, alien isolation universe, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, stars wars universe, prop hunt lol, terrorist hunt, mike myers, 360 no-scope competitions, call of duty/battlefield universe, halo universe, destiny universe, WW1, WW2, red dead redemption, assassins creed universe, bioshock universe, dishonored universe, grand theft auto, outlast universe, jurassic park universe but more sci fi ish, samurai fighting, skyrim universe, my own personal buffet (for sentimental reasons), my strip club will float outside the orbit of my personal planet which will have many rings around it and a bunch of moons and planets very close to it. My own garden, my own zoo, my own bowling alley, my own studio, my own stadium, my own art room for when i’m tripping hard on modded augmented reality hallucinogens.
There is a lot more obviously but this is all I can empty out rn. I’m gon be doing a lot of fucking in these universes too😂
I vibe so hard with this comment. If you ever want to nerd out about post Singularity life, feel free to DM me.
I would like to roam every inch of Hogwarts. It was my dream as it was for many others to one day be a part of the wizarding world
I too was a millennial who grew up during Potter mania.
My own universe, other fiction, even crossovers.
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Spending a lot of time in the Shire from Lord of the Rings would probably be peaceful and cozy.
It already exists it's called new Zealand.
Wen Full Dive VR New Zealand?
The improved version of my life, answering all of the "what if". I'm already trying to do it but there are some physic limitations that I can't overcome like going back in time.
Bikini bottom
Star Wars
Anybody who answered anything other than “fat oily butt sitting on my face, with my dick in a pocket pussy” 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, is a lying liar.
That would only work if we could regulate dopamine and all that shiz. Otherwise your receptors would go numb to it after a while.
VR development is definitely gonna be driven by porn but that's just a weirdly specific example
Well... That's an implicit application. The proof of concept that gets the investors to fund the larger project.
Probably South Park
I choose reality. My Quest 2 is gathering dust.
I would probably try to explore different mythologies and folklore first, talk to gods party with Dionysus, fight Zeus, and stuff like that. Kind of like Kratos in God of War but less traumatic.
HP Lovecraft, but that I wouldn't do alone for obvious reasons
Mistborn
Lord of the Rings
Dune
Elden Ring
I love Fantasy and Art so in a dream World, I would probably be some sort of magician traveling and exploring, doing art and fighting a bunch of creatures and bad guys maybe talking to my favorite Artists that are already dead like Sargent and have a system in place that allows me to talk to family or let my family join my world ( same goes for close friends etc.). I would also just keep the intelligence and processing power of humans like it is now and don't have it enhanced artificially so that I can enjoy the world as I imagined it as a child.
For me, probably the world of One Piece. Everything in that world is so crazy (talking snail phones?), and having Devil Fruit powers would be awesome.
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ok you're going straight to Brazil copper mines
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A game of Civ 6 (or 7 or 8 or whatever number it would be on by then) where I can jump into the world to explore my cities or join my armies on the battlefield
Lots and lots of Star Wars, in multiple different timelines.
Probably a Postapocalyptic world like Fallout .
I believe Star Trek Online will survive till the singularity and full dive VR, so here is the captain of the Enterprise.
Stellaris... i wanna live out my fantasy of being the collective sentience of an entire machine species and conquer the known universe.
But, that’s one of the few things you can actually do in the real universe post singularity. Why not accomplish that for real ? (Minus “conquering” the universe)
I'd rather use extended reality to make the entire world super nice and safe and touristy so that for instance I could go explore mozambique without getting murdered by warlords
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Elite Dangerous or No Mans Sky. See yall never!
Access to a digital world full of everything like ready player one would be incredible
Having a hard time with this concept - you'd spend the bulk of your time in a fictional universe?
Check out Ready Player One for more info.
That book was stupid.
"The world is a hellscape. Solution: ignore it."
Okay kids...
I mean... It's what most people are doing on their phones right now. Escapism is a hell of a drug.
We most likely live in a fictional universe anyway
I would be a Hellspawn.
GTA: Vice City
Animal Crossing
Black Mirror: Bandersnatch
Monster Rancher
Japan in the Persona universe
Japan in the Snatcher universe
Flash Gordon
Shadowrun
I love exploration so I'd want to visit these places:
Rama from Rendezvous with Rama
Time Tombs on Hyperion
River Tethys going from world to world
The Silfen paths
Ringworld
I would be on stage performing music most of the time. Can do that in real life too, but would be fun with no physical labor, massive audiences, and adoring fans!
Halo universe
the other world from the movie tomorrowland
The Culture
Can we make a Culture VR? I want to get high while zooming around in sentient spaceships.
probably a video game RPG or a space faring sim like no man sky until I learn to build my own world.
Yeah, same here. I'd like to define some basic premises and then see how they'd play out. It would be so utterly fascinating.
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I'd be a captain of an 18th century sailing vessel. It flies. My crew is a harem of sexy wolf girl slaves. I sail through the universe exploring planets and having adventures using the ai as my dungeon master.
I'd like to check out James Joyce's fictional Dublin.
WH40k
Overlord. DC. Warhammer 40k as long as the full dive doesn’t simulate pain.
Pornhub
Control.
I want to live and die in the oldest house.
The "United" kingdom.
Dark Souls 3 and I'd stay at Firelink Shrine and date the Firekeeper
Probably Minecraft just vibe in my house with the c418 soundtrack on repeat.
Any battle royale would be pretty cool also like apex, Cold War etc
GTA would also be very cool in full dive vr with a huge map, lobby full of people 100+, total chaos even story mode would be lit.
Batman Arkham games would be amazing.
I’ve never played sims but I wonder what it’d be like with better technology and full dive,
I’d love a full dive of hogwarts(harry potter) I would say a whole universe of Dc/marvel but that would be too op with the powers I don’t even think it’d be possible even with full dive like for example the speed force or superman’s powers just wouldn’t be practical to be fair.
Resident evil would be cool or a walking dead zombie survival game, even any apocalyptic game in full dive would be cool
Star Wars... for sure
Probably a full on true to heart D&D world that included every setting from Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk to SpellJammer and Planescape to Ravenloft, Dark Sun, and more.
I suppose I'd probably choose either Warlock or Sorcerer if I could only ever pick one.
From the old Haruhi books definitely. But really I want to see what the 1950s were all about. If it really lives up to the hype.
edit: Not big into RPGs but reading some comments here I would wonder how it would be like living an actual CoC campaign...
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AI_Enjoyer87 t1_it1thr4 wrote
Would like to build the world. I'm sure if we get to that point an ai will probably be connected to a BCI and from there you will be able to literally fill the experience with your own imagination. So the possibilities are endless.