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Virgence t1_j6b9px6 wrote

Reply to comment by Jenkinswarlock in I’m ready by CassidyHouse

Even if that were to happen, you could be resurrected in virtual reality.

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Jenkinswarlock t1_j6b9ulc wrote

I’m not sure if I would constitute that as “myself” unless I were to upload in a way prior

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RichardKingg t1_j6bowb9 wrote

And even if, how can you even know if that version of "you" would be really "you" ?

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WashiBurr t1_j6bq30m wrote

How can you even know that the current version of you is "you"? For all we know, the consciousness you're experiencing at this very moment is just a state of being your brain accepts as itself, regardless of whether it actually is or not.

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4444444vr t1_j6bu249 wrote

Well this is definitely me, maybe not the other guy that they thought they booted up, but me being me is the only thing I can know.

Maybe…

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Kaining t1_j6cden6 wrote

You're putting the carriage before the horse here.

Consciousness first, body then. Consciousness is consciousness regardless of whatever body it is. It's molded by the body but is is what it is. New brain, new memories, new nervous system, new feeling, ect... That's kind of how the reincarnation thingy explains why you don't get to keep memories from previous life in buddhism btw and it kind of make sences. And is a bit fallacious and dodgy too as it kind of nullify the appeal of reincarnation when you first learn of the concept. It ain't a restart button at all. More of a "things stay the same in a constantly changing world" impermanence trick.

So you could rez a completely different consciousness into a VR game and it would still act the same as the being you resurected as long as you "built" it right. The problem here is not knowing if its "you" but if there is a "you" inside that VR avatar. That's an aspect of the "brain in a vat" thingy. How can you be sure that others are real when all of reality is merely a projection of your brain. How can you be sure you are even here is another nasty issue.

Ego Death is a thing afterall.

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Artanthos t1_j6dos6w wrote

It’s self perception.

It’s just a slightly different version of I think, therefore I am.

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winkerback t1_j6bud2b wrote

This sort of gets into weird territory. If you discovered that every night when you are deep asleep in a split second your entire body is vaporized and then an exact copy was rebuilt into the same state that it was before, would you consider the person who wakes up to be you?

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phoenixmusicman t1_j6bvg65 wrote

I would not, which is the problem I have with Star Trek teleporters. They're technically killing you every time.

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OutOfBananaException t1_j6caq3v wrote

Your uploaded self will get terrible anxiety when moving between networks. I wonder if there will be uploads that refuse to move from the substrate they were uploaded to..

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malcolmrey t1_j6cwr5w wrote

i also believe they are being killed and an exact copy is made

it is overall interesting concept

I wonder if people who died for a short time and then they came back - could they be treated similarly? :)

I know they have the same body, but they were technically rebooted. They went off for a moment.

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Nanaki_TV t1_j6cyhvw wrote

You’re not being killed. If you have your arm cut off and reattached it’s still “your” arm right? Those teleportation devices and taking you apart by every molecule and then putting you back together. Theseus Ship comes into mind too. It’s why Riker had a clone of himself too. The device made a copy of them. I don’t remember which one was considered the copy anymore.

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phoenixmusicman t1_j6e9izm wrote

The arm isn't being cut off though. The arm is heing removed, burned to ashes, then had the ashes sort through and rebuilt.

The clone thing supports my argument.

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Jenkinswarlock t1_j6bx50p wrote

The physical would be the same but it would be intrinsically different

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MacacoNu t1_j6btc6n wrote

why only in virtual reality? If an ASI really likes humans, and/or we humans follow the development of an ASI closely, I believe that many humans would REALLY try to bring people back, in ways we can't even predict

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LightVelox t1_j6dapl4 wrote

That if someone has a copy of his mind to resurrect, has the money to do that and is willing to

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