Have you ever thought about what it sounds on jupiter

Submitted by Western_Home6746 t3_10j18x5 in space

Can you imagine what it would sound like when millions of storms going on at the same time? On top of that the atmosphere is very thick and relatively dry. Thick atmosphere means the sounds waves propagate more than it would here on Earth.

On the moon you don't really hear anything because there's no atmosphere. But Jupiter though... I bet it sounds millions of times scarier than the scariest sound you've heard before.

Those YouTube videos by Nasa that says "this is how Jupiter sounds like". That's not really what you would hear when you're inside Jupiter. That's just the magnetosphere transcribed to audible frequency. I wish one day we can actually here what goes on inside the planets.

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daniil___ t1_j5hz5cb wrote

I'm curious if it would blow your ear drums out or not. Surely?

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collegefurtrader t1_j5hza58 wrote

We have lots of audio from Mars and I think some from Venus

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TLRsBurnerAccount t1_j5i3n6v wrote

Well, considering the planet itself is in essence one preposterously large storm, I imagine it'd sound very windy

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No_Manufacturer4427 t1_j5i6qxs wrote

Replying to daniil___ (#1,445,774)

i think so. human evolution has only adapted so much to natural sounds, where we could only take about ~130dB, where thunder is around ~180dB. I think it would destroy our ears, but thankfully we would only feel it for a split second before the storms rip us to shreds :)

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Contadini t1_j5icroc wrote

It would probably be loud enough to deafen you instantly., not as loud as the sun though. The sun would sound like you are in the middle of a nuclear bomb explosion.

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Comfortable_Mango_11 t1_j5id48s wrote

Replying to daniil___ (#1,445,774)

The good news is you wouldn't notice the discomfort of your eardrums going pop (permanently) because the radiation, atmospheric pressure, massively subzero temperatures and the inhospitable gasses themselves would have killed you well in advance!

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Comfortable_Mango_11 t1_j5id83g wrote

It's the one place in the solar system where all farts, no matter how loud and whiffy, go undetected.

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Gmn8piTmn t1_j5il0rw wrote

What does an explosion sounds like when it happens five feet away from you?

Well it doesn’t because the shockwave kills you way before the nerve signals have a chance to reach your brain and your brain to form the comprehension of sounds. So probably that.

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Roland_Moorweed t1_j5iqncr wrote

This is, in a small facet, a part of cosmic horror. Jupiter's atmosphere is so powerful that our teensy and weak human body and senses would be utterly destroyed upon contact.

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chzygorditacrnch t1_j5iuz4a wrote

I don't think you should think about Jupiter. It probably sounds very scary, and we probably shouldn't think about it

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Pickledleprechaun t1_j5j0lad wrote

Space is not a friendly place. I occasionally do these type of thought experiments and am also left feeling small and squishy.

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Hustler-1 t1_j5j13ti wrote

I wouldn't be surprised if it sounded like a perpetual rocket engine.

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SIurple t1_j5j1juu wrote

Replying to Pickledleprechaun (#1,448,800)

It’s okay technological advancement will eventually render our weaknesses obsolete for the most part id wager, give it a few hundred more years and we’ll probably have equipment that can survive ridiculously harsh conditions.

We’re definitely super squishy but we’re also pretty smart (for the most part) so we can probably become less squishy.

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whateverforever84 t1_j5j1q1c wrote

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Probably something like that.

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MrGoober91 t1_j5j5w0v wrote

It would be a constant windy storm and not very pleasant when the eye moves toward you

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Maxievelli t1_j5j6oku wrote

I think even if you made your body invincible and dropped into the atmosphere, you would probably end up falling at wind speed so you wouldn’t hear as much wind because you’d be traveling at the same speed as the rest of the air around you.

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LLuerker t1_j5jfefr wrote

Replying to Contadini (#1,447,010)

The sun is loud AF. If there was atmosphere to propagate the sound from 93 million miles away, the sun would be around 100 decibels loud on earths surface. As loud as a concert or jackhammer just outside your window

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LLuerker t1_j5jfzqb wrote

Replying to MrGoober91 (#1,449,190)

Imagine being in an indestructible iron man suit just being whisked around by jupiters windy storms.. then you approach the eye, the shift of winds has you now falling deeper into the hole. Things get very tall and very dark..

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JayMonster65 t1_j5jhzvb wrote

It is a gas giant. No place to "land" it is constantly swirling with storms thicker and higher than our atmosphere. Forget our squishy bodies, we don't have spacecraft that can withstand the radiation or survive the pressure. There is a reason we can't hear more. We don't have equipment that could survive it, and even if we did, it would be limited by what the equipment could reproduce in the way of sounds in an atmosphere that is not equivalent. So at best it would be a simulation based on and limited by our technology.

And forget hundreds of years, even over millenniums, why would our bodies "adapt" to be able to handle environments we never will come in contact with? We live on a planet that is 3/4 covered in water and we haven't "adapted" enough to be able to live in water. Heck, we can't even survive in some land environments without the help of clothing or shelter.

It is an interesting thought game to wonder, but one that we will never actually know the answer to.

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xpietoe42 t1_j5jifkb wrote

Is sound affected by gravity? How would propagation of sound alter?

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_rake t1_j5jk7hr wrote

Replying to accomplishedidea957 (#1,449,693)

There are plenty of layers that are far denser than you, all the way down to the theorized metallic hydrogen, but you'd be squished thinner than a sheet of paper long before you got to worrying about where to stand.

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NoooAccuracy t1_j5jp72o wrote

There is an amazing YouTube channel called melodysheep, I highly recommend you check it out. There is even an episode called the sounds of space that goes into what you would hear on different planets, I think they cover Jupiter as well. My favorite is, time lapse of the future. This series literally is better than anything I've ever seen on TV, incredible animations and graphics. Check it out if you're bored.

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danielravennest t1_j5jwr3d wrote

"The Galileo atmospheric entry probe was based on the design of the large probe of the Pioneer Venus multi-probe.

It was released July 13, 1995, when the main Galileo spacecraft was still about 50 million miles (80 million kilometers) from Jupiter.

The probe hit the atmosphere at 6.5 degrees north latitude and 4.4 degrees west longitude at 22:04:44 UT Dec. 7, 1995.

The probe returned valuable data for 58 minutes as it plunged into the Jovian cauldron. It endured a maximum deceleration of 228 g’s about a minute after entry when temperatures scaled up to 28,832 degrees Fahrenheit (16,000 degrees Celsius).

The probe’s transmitter failed 61.4 minutes after entry when the spacecraft was about 112 miles (180 kilometers) below its entry ceiling, evidently due to the enormous pressure (22.7 atmospheres).

Data, originally transmitted to the main spacecraft and later transmitted back to Earth, indicated an intense radiation belt about 31,000 miles (50,000 kilometers) above Jupiter’s clouds, few organic compounds, and winds as high as about half a mile per second (640 meters per second).

The entry probe also found less lightning, less water vapor, and half the helium than had been expected in the upper atmosphere"

From https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions/galileo-probe/in-depth/

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zokier t1_j5jx6ix wrote

Is there any reason to think the sound would ve anything but static noise? What color noise it is maybe interesting question, but in general I wouldn't expect it sound particularly scary?

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rexythekind t1_j5jxafr wrote

Replying to xpietoe42 (#1,450,295)

That's an interesting question. I don't think sound itself is affected by gravity, but the medium thru which sound travels is. So, I'd guess, for a given medium, more gravity means more compression means more density, ergo sound propagates differently if the medium is more dense. Right? So, whatever increased density does to sound is your answer, I'd think.

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link2edition t1_j5k0ma5 wrote

Replying to SIurple (#1,448,882)

The entire history of human advancement in a nutshell.

We conquered this planet when we got really good at throwing stuff, getting good at throwing stuff in space is the logical next step.

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[deleted] t1_j5k7kqt wrote

I have thought about it.

I think it would sound like the 1990s THX audio test.

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Tex-Rob t1_j5k99pj wrote

I spend more time thinking about how so much of the universe isn't observable up close. I also spend a lot of time thinking about the big bang and how it applies to early life. If zero life existed, what are we measuring time with, and is the time where nothing was alive even relevant?

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GolfballDM t1_j5ka9ol wrote

Replying to Nrksbullet (#1,452,262)

If you were not touching the surface of whatever body the tree fell on, it would not make a sound.

If you were touching the surface of the aforementioned body, there would be a sound. Sort of. You'd feel it through your feet (or whatever part of you was touching the surface), as opposed to hearing it through your ears.

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IrisCelestialis t1_j5kc3hx wrote

Replying to _rake (#1,450,475)

Won't you only really sink until your body density roughly matches the air density, since past that buoyancy will try to carry you upward again? Not to say it won't still be deadly, you'll be suffocated and probably also cooked, but crushed too?

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Bipogram t1_j5kc8hr wrote

>sounds on jupiter

Jupiter's a big place.

If you mean, what might it sound like at the point where the atrmospheric pressure is 1bar?

Lindal (1992) suggested that that's at a region where the temperature is 180K. I'd be cautious to expose my ear to 1bar gas at that temperature for long (is in, more than 1 s).

The Galileo probe carried no dedicated acoustic suite (alas).

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xXijanlinXx t1_j5kc9le wrote

It wouldn't as many people say, blow your ears out. while wind speeds do go up to 900 mph they generally hang around 200-400 mph, for reference the fastest wind speed on earth ever recorded was 231 mph. If you were to jump out of your capsule as it was falling, you would already be going a fast as the wind so would wouldn't be torn apart unless you were teleported in or something. because sounds get higher and quieter as pressure drops, and lower and louder as pressure rises, depending on how far from the 1 bar mark you are in the atmosphere you could hear pitch shifted hurricane noises, normal hurricane noises or nothing at all if you were too deep or too high.

Tldr: Depends on how high you are.

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Bipogram t1_j5kd2vd wrote

Replying to xpietoe42 (#1,450,295)

Only three qualities alter the speed of sound.

The mean molecular mass (ie, what the gas is made of) and temperature (and the ratio of specific heats, gamma). Pressure has no effect on speed of sound, but (of course) the density of a gas will dictate how much acoustic energy may be found.

Gravity influences the density profile of a gas, but that's all.

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kleingeld_ t1_j5kd5ja wrote

Replying to link2edition (#1,452,209)

Only problem is that we will definitely have killed ourselves before we get the chance to get good at throwing things in space. Even we did, we would use that expertise to throw at someone, probably one of our one. Again, killing ourselves.

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Bipogram t1_j5kdb94 wrote

Replying to zokier (#1,451,862)

The spectral content of the noise would be an interesting question to study.

It's probably a power law (most/many things are) but with what index?

That's a good and non-trivial question. Thank you!

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AntzN3 t1_j5kgd34 wrote

We can probably drop a thick tube covered in a heatshield material that contains a microphone and a sound level sensor. Eventually the tube will reach a point where it will get crushed due to the enormous pressure in the atmosphere

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YourWiseOldFriend t1_j5kuzfa wrote

I don't wonder, I've heard it. Jupiter is a radio source, you can actually listen to it.

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lioncub2785 t1_j5kwlp4 wrote

Equally interesting question is how would methane rivers and other large bodies of liquid would sound in satellites like Titan, accounting for their respective atmospheric circumstances?

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FatiTankEris t1_j5l3q4z wrote

Imagine incredibly ear rupturing, sky tearing screaming. That should approximate the winds.

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GimmyJrimble t1_j5l61qb wrote

If you were traveling with the wind there would probably be a ghastly breeze with a bit of a chill in the air.

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CaliTexJ t1_j5lct5f wrote

Nice question! I hadn’t considered the atmospheric differences. It probably sounds like you’re under water and there’s an EF-5 tornado on the surface, now that I think of it. Just loud and the sound hits you faster and your brain can’t decipher any of it. It’d probably be maddening!

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huffuspuffus t1_j5lf6yn wrote

I feel like it would be deafening and let’s just use some suspension of disbelief: imagine you’re in a big house of some sorts on Jupiter. It would probably sound like a literal apocalypse outside 😩

Edit: spelling

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Outrageous_Owl8564 t1_j5ljifo wrote

Interestingly you can hear stuff on the moon. Well, your footsteps and that's about it (sound needs a medium to travel through to your eardrums and, well, your body is a pretty good medium for that).

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fluffy_assassins t1_j5lkbgp wrote

Your eardrums would just get instantly crushed. Probably your head, too.

Even with a spacesuit on.

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Timetraveler01110101 t1_j5lluyn wrote

You can’t imagine it. The Db would be so higher your ears would explode… so would your whole body.

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left_lane_camper t1_j5lwaln wrote

Replying to Ackapus (#1,458,353)

Judging from this graph the temperature would be around 300K where the pressure is ~5 Atm. Pressures of ~5 Atm are found underwater on earth at depths of ~150 feet or so, which is routinely achieved by divers, including saturation divers who live at depths like that (or greater) for weeks at a time.

So definitely survivable, and even comfortable. Neglecting the chemical environment and the wind, of course. But you can be protected from a harsh chemical environment with some pretty simple coverings and depending on the variability of the wind you might be able to ride along with it in a way that's not too uncomfortable.

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left_lane_camper t1_j5lx083 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,456,792)

Those calculations assume a lossless atmosphere and that the only attenuation is geometric. Adding in attenuation leads to full thermalization surprisingly close to the photosphere.

Of course, if there were a medium to transport that sound, then it would effectively mean that the sun were just a much larger star, and that medium itself would be turbulent and noisy.

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MsGorteck t1_j5lz950 wrote

Replying to dickbutt_md (#1,458,639)

So the metors that plowed into Jupiter years ago just went through? I thought, while small, that in the center there would be a solid something. Not big, because of all the weight and pressure, but something.

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ronnyhugo t1_j5m13w0 wrote

Replying to whatsagoinon1 (#1,458,269)

The wind hits the ears that hear the wind.

PS: And by the way soundwaves are generated as long as any gas isn't traveling at uniform velocity and direction. Same as how waves on water happen without land.

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peteburrito t1_j5m1hbg wrote

There is no “on” Jupiter. It’s a gas giant, light on surface.

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Bipogram t1_j5m1naw wrote

Replying to MsGorteck (#1,458,786)

No - they didn't "just go through" - they encountered gas that became increasingly denser as one sinks into Jupiter.

There probably is a solid core of rock, but before then you encounter multi-bar pressures, and densities exceeding that of common fluids here.

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Bipogram t1_j5m258z wrote

Replying to fluffy_assassins (#1,457,492)

It depends on the altitude at which you conduct this courageous experiment.

It is a gas giant after all, so there are locales with pressures of 1bar, and altitudes with temperatures of 300K.

Sadly those regions do not overlap.

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Bipogram t1_j5m2k2p wrote

Replying to AntzN3 (#1,453,779)

ie, a calibrated microphone.

Yes - it's not a trivial piece of engineering - and depends entirely on the altitude region of interest.

And you're best off integrating this onto a sonde/entry probe of some sort - a bare microphone in a tube will need a further other non-trivial items.

<power source, transmitter, etc.>

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dickbutt_md t1_j5m2vb1 wrote

Replying to DukeElliot (#1,458,933)

I wouldn't consider a solid core to be a solid surface, though.

This is a semantic distinction, though, at this point we would be arguing about what to call whatever is there, not a disagreement about what is actually there.

Though I'd prefer to distinguish between the core and the "surface" such as it is, I do think there's a reasonable argument to be made that "surface" should be identified as "whatever is solid." The problem with this terminology is that it doesn't really recognize any difference between gas giants and rocky planets, which I'd argue is a useful thing to do.

But, when it comes to what's actually there, I think we agree.

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Devlos00 t1_j5m5pwz wrote

Replying to Contadini (#1,447,010)

Would that mean that stars like Mu Cephei would be even that much loader. That stars radius is 1000x the size of our sun and it shines 100000x brighter than our sun. Would there be any stars out there that we could hear is sound traveled though space or is everything too far no matter it’s size.

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DukeElliot t1_j5mbi1e wrote

Replying to dickbutt_md (#1,459,121)

There is a sentence in that article that says “While some theorize that the core is a hot molten ball of liquid, other research indicates that it could be a solid rock 14 to 18 times the mass of the Earth” referring to the core

Would “solid rock” not mean a solid surface in this context?

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Bipogram t1_j5mhk4m wrote

Replying to DukeElliot (#1,459,905)

Over which is an ocean of hypercompressed hydrogen at essentially the same density as the rock below.

The only transition is one of composition (mumble: and both seismic speeds) rather than density - which we seen in the terrestrial oceans.

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Bipogram t1_j5mhvxf wrote

Replying to lioncub2785 (#1,455,309)

<polishes nails: I calibrated the speed of sound sensor (API-V) on the Huygens probe>

The speed of sound varies only with temperature and composition of the gas.

If you know the temperature (trivial) then you can infer the composition from the time taken for a 'ping' to traverse a small gap - from a transmitting element to a microphone.

Pressure affects only the 'loudness' of the ping, not the speed.

It's a good question how a waterfall might sound - or a breaking wave. That's not a trivial matter - as anyone who has poured hot and cold water into a glass and listened will attest.

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Bipogram t1_j5mvdl8 wrote

Replying to lioncub2785 (#1,460,794)

It is a good question - I suspect that the sound of a breaking wave arises from the bubbles made by the impact 'ringing' - the fundamental mode of which will vary with T and the ratio of specific heats (gamma).

So I'd expect breaking waves on Titan to have fewer large bubbles (weaker gravity) but on the other hand the syrface tension of N2/ethane is lower than that of water, so might not bubbles be larger?

Either way, the speed of sound is 2/3 that of that at Earth's sea level - so a vibrating bubble ought to have a lower tone - if bubble sizes are like those on Earth, then the speed of sound alone will make crashing breakers sound deeper in pitch.

I think.

-fun!-

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Firebrand713 t1_j5my6d3 wrote

Are there meteors and other giant rocks floating somewhere above the “surface” of Jupiter?

Are sky islands possible there?

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AVBforPrez t1_j5n8ntx wrote

I'll do you one better - what do you think it looks like/sounds like in the middle of the permanent octagon of rotating storms at the north pole of Saturn?

Assuming it's not some weird thing we don't understand yet, it's probably the most chaotic thing we know of in our solar system as of now.

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ACowAndAWaffle t1_j5nad4n wrote

I would like to know what it sounds like under the surface of the hydrogen ocean…

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alextxdro t1_j5newmm wrote

Shhhhcchhwwwaaaaaaaiiiiiiiishshshshcckkrrrrrrkkkcchcjccjwaaaaaeeeeeeyyyyushshsh….etc…..

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dickbutt_md t1_j5nsyid wrote

Replying to DukeElliot (#1,459,905)

The surface of a gas giant is defined separately from the core, as the article says: "...there is no solid ground, the surface of Jupiter is defined as the point where the atmospheric pressure is equal to that of Earth."

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KillyScreams t1_j5o2z6r wrote

The winds on Neptune are 2000+ mph

That's wild too

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sergiu_mightytravels t1_j5ouzw6 wrote

That's an interesting thought! Have you read any studies or research about what sound waves would do in a different atmosphere?

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okay_booma t1_j5owx8l wrote

I’d like to see a Saturn lightning strike as well as hear it. The lightning there is around 10k more powerful than earth.

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decomposition_ t1_j5pav9n wrote

Replying to Bipogram (#1,459,020)

I wonder if there are layers before the core that have some amounts of solids settled in above higher density gases. So not that it’s a surface but that it’s a layer of solid (even if it’s a dusty consistency) above denser gases

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Bipogram t1_j5pdgoh wrote

Replying to decomposition_ (#1,469,601)

Here are some of the best models we have of Jupiter's near-core:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.07436.pdf

p12 allows for both a sharp discontinuity and a gradual 'fade' from metallic hydrogen to rock. The data we have cannot distinguish between those models.

"The existence of a diluted core, or a steep heavy-element gradient inside Jupiter is actually consistent with formation models of Jupiter (see section 4.3 for details). Giant planet formation models in the core accretion scenario (e.g., Pollack et al., 1996) suggest that once the core mass reaches ∼ 1 − 2M⊕ the accreted solid material (heavy elements) vaporise and remain in the planetary envelope (e.g., Stevenson, 1982). This leads to a structure in which the deep interior is highly enriched with heavy-elements, with no sharp transition between the core and the inner envelope (e.g., Helled & Stevenson, 2017 and references therein)."

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