Submitted by buncley t3_ztvuph in technology
PacmanIncarnate t1_j1geboi wrote
Reply to comment by FoggyBottom4u in Tech Layoffs Set the Clock Ticking for Foreign Workers by buncley
Then we should be streamlining the green card process. H1B wages are depressed by the requirement that you work for just that one company. If we put people through the security checks for H1B and they show they are employable in a high income field, they’ve essentially proven they are worth keeping here and shouldn’t be a burden, which is what a lot of our immigration system seems to be based on.
Immigration is good. Immigrants earning money here and spending it here is good. Ensuring foreign workers view their time here as temporary and take their accumulated wealth and experience back with them to another country is just idiotic. It’s the worst outcome: locals have less chance to get a high paying job because there are H1Bs to fill the roles with less power to negotiate, AND the wealth is largely transferred out of the country.
Raalf t1_j1gqot6 wrote
except these H1Bs are taking half the rate (or 1/3 the rate) of domestic roles. The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States.
That is the abuse going on, and until the H1B visa makes the salary of the visa-holder equal or above that of domestic market it's just outsourcing and not as intended.
uselessadjective t1_j1grzsj wrote
Woah, I am shocked at most of the comments here.
I used to work for a big billion dollar firm on H1B (long time back) and my package was over $300K. I mean come on, I used to get over $60K just in stocks every year.
There is so much wrong news that H1Bs are underpaid. If the folks are referring to Consulting Firms then YES they abuse H1B.
Bur companies like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta pay over $400K also for qualified H1B.
So using a blanket statement that All H1Bs are undeepaid and used to replace local jobs is wrong
These are mostly stupid folks commenting here. Either they are disconnected from the reality OR Just pure jealous.
One thing which I have seen in H1Bs or folks on VISA is they work way too hard (because they purchase house, have kids etc and can not afford to uproot everything and end up overworking). Unfortunately US Capitalism wants more revenue every quarter to show to NYSE so the H1B guy working day-night takes the promotion. It is mainly the drive to suceed. I have seen over 1000s of H1B guys almost all working 12+hrs daily (weekend working pretty common) and guess what Corporate America Likes this..
So if you wanna blame then blame Corporate America
Now I have Green Card so I dont toil hard over weekends, Guess what my VP has caught another H1B guy who can deliver 2 projects :) This is a system and not fault of H1B folks. I am now on other side of the fence and probably VP might kick me out some day because he'll obviously draw my comparison with the other H1B folk (who works 2x for the same salary). Corporate America guys. So you have a choice Either work like hell OR Coporate American Execs will just find an excuse to replace. I am on the other side of the fence but I know life of H1B guy is. The harsh truth is One can not compete with a guy who is willing to work 15hrs daily to protect his working status What will a local guy do here ? Tell me some genius idea which I can also implement in my life.
It is the Executives, CEOs, COOs takinf advantage of the system. I also know some folks on H1B in Google getting $650K. I know a doctor on H1B who gets $800K yearly but these guys are asked to work 15+hrs a day and they work happily because they want to succeed at every cost.
Even if locals try to compete they will have to keep their 'work-life balance out' and trust me the moment anyone tries to bring this up to HR then they'll be shown the door using some excuse.
Corporate America wants slaves to work which can lead to more projects in shorter timeframe, more revenue. Cost is not much of a factor. Also Trump and Obama Admin did a lot of cleanup.
kalipede t1_j1gtbto wrote
I have worked for multiple companies in the Bay Area and the visa workers were all paid really well.
dinner_is_not_ready t1_j1h0tx8 wrote
There are well enforced laws in place to ensure H1b workers are highly paid
Raalf t1_j1gsfps wrote
I can tell you personally I have watched over 3500 positions (probably closer to 5-10k but I'm going with confirmed rate drops by me firsthand only) in the last 10 years get outsourced to half or below wages to H1Bs. I'm sure that's just a minor number in your book but it sure as fuck looks large when it's in your city, your companies, and your field. Call it whatever you want but it's real and it's now.
uselessadjective t1_j1guo6l wrote
What you mentioned is H1B Consulting Firms NOT companies like Google, Microsoft, Tesla, Meta etc...
When you say you managed 3500 positions I expected you to have better knowledge of H1B Consulting Firms vs H1B Product Based Companies
You just desribed the problem. Most folks don't know these 2 types of H1B Companies and are way too over confident to pass a judgment
draculas-shaggyballs t1_j1hiyu3 wrote
You don't even have to work that much harder. What matters is the output. And those of us coming from overpopulated underdeveloped countries have been forged in an environment where you need to have a hyperactive attitude to outcompete your peers. I don't work any harder than American students at my grad school, and my professor doesn't want me working after hours either. Many of the faculty I'm familiar with basically say that they've started preferring East Asian and South Asian students because they can be more productive and more interesting than American students at the same time. All the Asian grad students here seem to be top of the class, high up in citations, pop culture nerds, classical musicians, sports heads, fitness enthusiasts, technical gurus- all at the same time.
uselessadjective t1_j1hw1cj wrote
You just desribed the problem in again (as above) in your own words.
How do you solve it ?
Coporate America love this kind of hyperactive, over compering folks. Fuels their revenues and stocks prices.
cusmilie t1_j1jml9d wrote
What jobs are making over $400k in Microsoft, Google, etc.? General curious because I know tons of people that work for them and nobody makes that much.
uselessadjective t1_j1ksypn wrote
SWE Or Sr SWE to start
TPM - Technical Program Manager Product Manager Sr Product Manager
Mostly any job above L6 (Level 6) ia $400K at Google.DM me for details.
cusmilie t1_j1loeqv wrote
Awesome. Thanks. I’ll DM you.
imissze90s t1_j1idg82 wrote
It's difficult to feel sympathy for "slaves" making high six figure salaries.
uselessadjective t1_j1ifqmw wrote
So the alternative is to smash them ? Right instead of criticizing CEOs
What a great attitude. If you cant make money so criticise those who make money. Why don't you work 15hrs so that the CEO hires you.
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