Submitted by prehistoric_knight t3_10358xf in technology
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Beavshak t1_j2x2fki wrote
Looks like as of 2021 there were:
North America users: 138 million
Europe: 158
Latin America: 188
Asia/Pacific: 313 (does not include China/India)
They’re already inside the gates.
jaybazzizzle t1_j2x4cn1 wrote
There's still time to burn the horse
DerpDaDuck3751 t1_j318zu3 wrote
And lay a siege
[deleted] t1_j2yh3ni wrote
I never understood why people downloaded that app. I never trusted it from the get go, it was so obviously weaponized from the start. From the content it shows to certain countries, to the content it shows certain age groups, to the dangerous ‘stunts’ or ‘challenges’ it has spawned, and let us not forget all the spyware.
Phar0sa t1_j30dbu1 wrote
You just described social media. If you have a smart phone, you are already paying for spyware.
MochiMochiMochi t1_j2yrtwa wrote
If the content isn't substantively different from YouTube Shorts or Facebook Reels then all you've got is the spyware claim.
Ditovontease t1_j2zd63k wrote
I mean if you have Facebook or any google app on your phone: spyware lol. It’s just American so it’s okay!
Also reddit is certainly collecting data on us too
TheRealAndrewLeft t1_j30ekxv wrote
- Data harvesting for targeted ads by a private corp.
- Data harvested and psyops by an authoritarian nation state.
They aren't the same.
Flintyy t1_j318j1y wrote
The phones themselves are Spyware. It really doesn't matter what app you have on it lol
Accomplished_Pay8214 t1_j300ukc wrote
it is the reason youtube shorts and reels exist.
my God some of you are so annoying to read.
MajorLeagueNoob t1_j302p4s wrote
Redditors racing to regurgitate more anti TikTok takes directly from mark Zuckerberg
MochiMochiMochi t1_j30msdn wrote
So, TikTok was 'weaponized' to be harmful for certain countries and for select age groups? In what way?
YT Shorts and FB Reels exist because they copied the TikTok social graph and business model, which makes them also harmful but not intentionally since they're just copies?
Seems to me that TikTok, Shorts and Reels are all just mirrors to how stupid and banal most people are at any age. If we ban TikTok we should ban all of them, and I have no problem with that.
Accomplished_Pay8214 t1_j300qin wrote
wow you're so much h smarter than the rest of everyone else... and obviously gave no reason to offer ant input. Nobody cares about your dull opinion and regurgitated information.
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PR05ECC0 t1_j2zfkc4 wrote
Reddit had massive Chinese investment. If you are worried about then you shouldn’t be on her either.
This story is such bullshit being funded and pushed by Meta and Google to try to slow down their competitors. The laws should apply to all social media or just shut the fuck up about it.
justhereforthekittys t1_j34179l wrote
I read that in China, Tiktok dishes out science and educational videos to kids instead of stupid trends and weird indoctrination with the intent to divide.
It goes beyond being inside the gates. They have been inside the gates for years and society is just now starting to even notice. They have already won.
It's like a Trojan horse filled with stupid.
jstabitoutside t1_j342ts7 wrote
Yeah Im sure it’s China deliberately making that happen and not that American kids hate learning because school here is awful
BODYBUTCHER t1_j2x9opk wrote
The city of Troy did find the wooden horse suspicious, but they let it in anyway
jaybazzizzle t1_j2xaxd0 wrote
I remember the story going differently. The Trojans brought the horse inside the city because it was considered to be a trophy of their victory against the Greeks and that the horse was the emblem of Troy.
BODYBUTCHER t1_j2xbjqp wrote
Yeah, but there was a guy who said it may be a trap and they ignored the shit out of him
Wormser t1_j2xhggr wrote
And a girl, Cassandra.
kindnation t1_j2zcvkv wrote
His name was Admiral Ackbar.
jaybazzizzle t1_j2xgvk0 wrote
Ergo, they didn't find it suspicious.... if they did, it would have been searched/burned/left outside the gates. One guy saying "It's a trap" wasn't enough to rouse suspicion.
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DietZer0 t1_j2xu3k7 wrote
Facebook’s future should be equally cloudy.
ClassOptimal7655 t1_j2xzaw1 wrote
If only, apparently facebook gets to do terrible things and get away with it because it's American.
MYANMAR: FACEBOOK’S SYSTEMS PROMOTED VIOLENCE AGAINST ROHINGYA
But Tiktok committed the crime of not being an American company, so the USA will move to crush Facebook's competition.
ecstatic_cynic t1_j2ycoqf wrote
Tiktok is the tool of a hostile foreign power. Facebook is company that was negligent with security and the evil being committed on their platform because of greed.
The two are not the same.
ClassOptimal7655 t1_j2ye3n4 wrote
Facebook is a hostile foreign company, not everyone on Reddit is american with rose coloured glasses on. They peddle election misinformation, they accept election ads (something tiktok does not do).
ThePoltageist t1_j2yjagl wrote
you know what great evil tik tok committed that suddenly has them on the radar? Handed republicans the biggest midterm L in history because the zoomers used it to get out the vote. Thats the real reason, the government does not give two shits about us and its already been banned from government devices.
Aaronspark777 t1_j2zloge wrote
TikTok's great evils include being Chinese spy ware, encouraging people to film in vertical, and being overall pretty cringe.
GetOutOfTheWhey t1_j2zsaps wrote
List of TikTok's crimes:
- Being Chinese
- Not being American
- Forcing users to accept ludicrous permissions that violate their privacy
- Promoting Vertical content when Horizontal content is objectively superior
- Recycling cringe meme formats within their user base
- Also polluting the interweb with video content that have annoying music stuck onto them with robotic voice narration.
[deleted] t1_j2yheik wrote
Another Trojan horse. Why do people not realize it’s entire purpose is to catalog people and use biometrics, not to mention all the spying they do. People are ridiculous. Whether it’s Facebook or Tik Tok, these are dangerous apps.
theblackfool t1_j2zdoil wrote
Everyone realizes it.
I think a considerable portion of the population has been hearing "they are spying on you/selling your information" for so long they just don't care. Or don't think there's anything they can do about so there's no point in fighting it. Either way.
Numerous-Two-7550 t1_j31wb7m wrote
Some of the smartest technologists I know have this attitude. It’s just hopeless.
justhereforthekittys t1_j341qtu wrote
Tiktok goes way beyond spying. They are steering culture, generating political and familial divide and confusing the vary fabric of truth and science. All while using the same tool to push science and educational videos to their youngest members. Spying is the very least of the issue IMHO.
wickedalmond t1_j2yxy7f wrote
I think most people that agree with the OP will also agree with you there. There's a large group of people pulling out of social media now that the longer-term negatives are coming to light. A great cleansing.
StugDrazil t1_j2y3tbl wrote
It’s a Chinese Spy app FFS. Why are people ignoring this? That app wants full access to your phone, it wants everything. Even worse, tik tok has publicly said that they have access to all your data, in China! Are you people dumb or something? You bitch and moan about privacy but here you are giving everything you do, say, text, snapshot and post to the Chinese military in exchange for likes and subscribes. Jeez listen and learn, but you won’t because your stupid.
EssentiallyWorking t1_j2ydney wrote
Wtf does the chinese military want with my for you page
Vannilazero t1_j2yy4lo wrote
It’s more important people in government ect. But anything they can pull from it that helps them with knowledge in the US is a plus for them
mayonnaisepie99 t1_j30mqle wrote
If you have nothing to hide, why not let the government put a camera in every room of your house? Including the bathrooms
No wait let the Chinese government put a camera in every room in your house.
PC-Bjorn t1_j33x35o wrote
There's at least two cameras in any room where you bring your phone.
mayonnaisepie99 t1_j366y9d wrote
So if your own government spies on you, it’s no big deal to let a foreign government spy on you also? When did we start accepting that anyone can spy on us?
PC-Bjorn t1_j37c80e wrote
That's what I'm wondering.
Farseli t1_j2zcwlx wrote
Yeah, I'm just gonna go back and keep enjoying the content I get. Oh no, the Chinese military are gonna know I was watching a guy debunking faux-nutrition advice (like someone saying to avoid enriched wheat because it has synthetic vitamins and minerals that the body turns to fat despite not having any caloric value).
90swasbest t1_j2zhgxd wrote
Most people are on there dancing or showing off their pets or looking for weird shit like feet vids or something.
Wtf good is that to the Chinese military?
banana_man_777 t1_j30mx6a wrote
It's not just what you post that you give them access to. It's everything on your devices.
A possible use case? When are people more likely to be in certain areas? Essentially create population heat maps for use in a tactical war with the US for mass casualties. Or, perhaps, ways to politically influence the US for the benefit of China (like Russia has done).
Information is very powerful, and China is getting free access to droves of it.
olqerergorp_etereum t1_j2zoh8q wrote
>Wtf good is that to the Chinese military?
it answer the question, are Americans stupid?
answer: yes
Azurfant t1_j30knlw wrote
Its not about the content.... Its about the fact that downloading and having Tik Tok on your phone grants Tik Tok AKA China the ability to collect as much data as they allow themselves. It is a Trojan Horse that helps itself to every piece of data on your phone even though it shouldn't be allowed to collect data to any extent beyond its own user profile information.
Again, its not about the content on Tik Tok. Its about the fact that the app stealthily helps itself to collecting as much information about you (from your phone) as is possible. The Chinese government can, and will, use that data and anything else unsavory it can find (think in terms of blackmail) to threaten, or control people (like politicians) in the future.
pixel_of_moral_decay t1_j30mi7t wrote
It’s also about the content.
What you create and consume.
That data is just like data of you browsing on Amazon. They use it to refine suggestions on what to show you next etc.
That also says a lot about your interests, political leanings, fetishes, medical issues etc. skipping certain videos or watching certain videos is feeding that algorithm. It knows you better than you know yourself. Hormones impact what interests/bores you before you even realize. Even menstrual cycles can be uncovered by data like this. Shopping habits can detect pregnancy before customers even realize their pregnant. People browse based on complex brain chemistry. Same thing goes for video and content you consume or create.
They could monetize it, use it for blackmail, use it as data points for misinformation campaigns etc.
I’m 100% convinced the whole antimask thing is a Russian and Chinese campaign to prove that they can perform a misinformation campaign at scale against a target. They convinced republicans who pride themselves on prepping for the end of the world with fallout shelters and gas masks to think a mask will kill them.
Imagine if they targeted US military and their families to desert? Or not wear necessary equipment? Or sabotage US assets.
They did that as a demo of what their misinformation weapon is capable of.
In 30 years this will be declassified and you’ll see this and the election interference were the real cuberwarfare. Not some “hackers” in a dark room with green text flying across a screen.
Kevy96 t1_j326dho wrote
Because number 1: for every 1000 useless idiots, one useful idiot that information can be extracted from will eventually make it's way to China through TikTok
Number 2: the Chinese media controls what the people see if it wants them to, meaning that it can plant subliminal messages, or perhaps post videos that paint China in a better light while painting America in a bad light without TikTok users even knowing it, especially bearing mind that so many of them are kids that can't tell up from down in life yet
th6 t1_j30twt7 wrote
Oh sweet summer child
nicuramar t1_j2ze11o wrote
> It’s a Chinese Spy app FFS. Why are people ignoring this?
Probably because it’s claimed, but not actually demonstrated to be so. You could make a similar claim (without “Chinese”) about, say, Facebook.
> but here you are giving everything you do, say, text,
Actually, just the stuff you put on tiktok.
> Jeez listen and learn, but you won’t because your stupid.
Personal attacks make for very poor arguments.
[deleted] t1_j30mvpx wrote
Exactly this. Plus China doesn’t let American media companies play in China, so why should they be allowed free market access here?
jaam01 t1_j3131l8 wrote
The media and the government conveniently are telling the Tik Tok story backwards. If the USA actually cared about privacy, they could make legislation to protect users' data, but they don't, because their own spyware companies would have to abide to those same laws (fairness), but of course, protecting users data and privacy is not in the interests of the USA's government. In fact, the FBI opposed Apple when they announced they are going to end to end encrypt the iPhone's iCloud back up, because "we could no longer snoop into it, think of the terrorists and children!" (yes, they practically said that). Also, this companies make you renounce your right to a class action lawsuit, so just the wealthy and people living in the USA can protect their rights against them. "Do as I say not as I do" "Rules for thee but not for me" "It's not bad when I'm the one doing it" The USA has no credibility to criticize Tik Tok.
justsomeoneSILLY t1_j30hyjz wrote
Dear Conservative/Fascist, please tell me the top 10 things that the Chinese military is doing with my data. Tell me the scariest one first please. I'll wait.
DarkISO t1_j30gi17 wrote
You really think they use it to spy? And you call others stupid...
YesOfficial t1_j2yd2e9 wrote
Ohhhh nooooes not the chisneees. im scured.
Photos99999 t1_j2wyiqb wrote
Sometimes I get the feeling that the Chinese are not trust worthy.
[deleted] t1_j2xd6ey wrote
sometimes i get the feeling that redditors are extremely racist
this_barb t1_j2xdy5h wrote
I suspect he means the CCP and not the Chinese people, which is an important distinction so it should be made.
Alarmed_Ad_2349 t1_j2xtd4j wrote
ppl who say the ccp and not cpc 💀
MochiMochiMochi t1_j2ys0it wrote
>I suspect he means
So generous of you. I suspect differently.
DaltonTanner1994 t1_j2xqmi2 wrote
Arguably Chinese are the worst tourists though.
YesOfficial t1_j2ycl1r wrote
Have you met American tourists?
SpacevsGravity t1_j2yca4x wrote
You've never met the brits
neglectedselenium t1_j2y4naf wrote
Sincere question, in which ways?
QuantumSpecter t1_j2y4rfb wrote
You hate the party that protects the sovereignty of China?
YesOfficial t1_j2ycnkf wrote
Yes. Fuck every government.
QuantumSpecter t1_j2yct1s wrote
Youre a neocon or anarchist. No difference
YesOfficial t1_j2ysjjq wrote
How would I be a neocon? I've never heard of any neocon wanting all militaries disbanded. That's the sort of pacifism neoconservatism was founded to fight against.
QuantumSpecter t1_j2yt7ae wrote
You just agreed that you dont respect the sovereignty of the chinese government. In that case, the most successful anarchist revolution has been carried out by the American empire- overthrowing customs, traditions, states and civilizations for the last 100 years
If you cant respect the sovereignty of foreign people and their governments, you’re no different than a neocon
UngusBungus_ t1_j31nqtc wrote
Sorry to break it to you bud but pretty much any country that was a power/empire has done that
QuantumSpecter t1_j3363pv wrote
Yes because the mode of production and the economic means that create the basis for doing that still existed. The british didnt settle in america because they felt like it, their economic situation necessitated it
UngusBungus_ t1_j338zy8 wrote
The partition of Africa was hubris
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i suspect he is dispensing with the dogwhistles because outright hatred is now acceptable
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mrstubali t1_j2x8xhf wrote
Virtual Flanders: Tikity Tokity neighborino!
Homer: Stupid insubstantial Flanders....
goingphishing t1_j3054xe wrote
They want to ban tiktok because young people are becoming liberal at unseen rates because of class consciousness. Not cause of data privacy. If they cared about us, they would pass laws to protect us from all social media companies. So tired of this take
bizanthium t1_j305xbz wrote
Yeah it’s pretty clear a lot of ppl responding have never even used the app and have assumed a lot from secondhand reporting.
jaam01 t1_j312zlz wrote
The media and the government conveniently are telling the Tik Tok story backwards. If the USA actually cared about privacy, they could make legislation to protect users' data, but they don't, because their own spyware companies would have to abide to those same laws (fairness), but of course, protecting users data and privacy is not in the interests of the USA's government. In fact, the FBI opposed Apple when they announced they are going to end to end encrypt the iPhone's iCloud back up, because "we could no longer snoop into it, think of the terrorists and children!" (yes, they practically said that). Also, this companies make you renounce your right to a class action lawsuit, so just the wealthy and people living in the USA can protect their rights against them. "Do as I say not as I do" "Rules for thee but not for me" "It's not bad when I'm the one doing it" The USA has no credibility to criticize Tik Tok.
enddream t1_j32mwqj wrote
So they will move to Instagram and join the same types of circles anyway right? This isn’t going to stop the ‘wokeness’.
jaam01 t1_j3130o1 wrote
The media and the government conveniently are telling the Tik Tok story backwards. If the USA actually cared about privacy, they could make legislation to protect users' data, but they don't, because their own spyware companies would have to abide to those same laws (fairness), but of course, protecting users data and privacy is not in the interests of the USA's government. In fact, the FBI opposed Apple when they announced they are going to end to end encrypt the iPhone's iCloud back up, because "we could no longer snoop into it, think of the terrorists and children!" (yes, they practically said that). Also, this companies make you renounce your right to a class action lawsuit, so just the wealthy and people living in the USA can protect their rights against them. "Do as I say not as I do" "Rules for thee but not for me" "It's not bad when I'm the one doing it" The USA has no credibility to criticize Tik Tok.
monchota t1_j2xpxnp wrote
Time to kill it dead.
njpunkmb t1_j2yiltp wrote
Why is Tik Tok the only app that does what it does? Can nobody in the US or any other part of the world make a similar app that’s better?
People have just become lazy consumers and companies look more to how they will advertise on these platforms than actually create a competitor.
When the first company manufactured a car, other companies didn’t sit back and say “I guess I can’t make cars now”.
madogvelkor t1_j2yk8y5 wrote
We had Vine but Twitter bought it and shut it down in 2016.
r0ughedges t1_j2ysagt wrote
>Why is Tik Tok the only app that does what it does? Can nobody in the US or any other part of the world make a similar app that’s better?
There are tons of clones? Check out Instagram Reels or Snapchat Spotlight
Kairukun90 t1_j30hd9x wrote
Those are all dog water 😂 you know I know everyone knows it. People won’t flock to those is tiktok is banned.
tornessa t1_j30jhpl wrote
Have you even used TikTok? The algorithm is better than any social media app in existence. It’s recommendations are very insightful. The entertainment value of the content is leagues ahead of Instagram or Facebook. Talk to any person who’s been on it for at least a month and they’ll tell you. It’s insanely addicting.
sissichu t1_j2z0kou wrote
And how would you go about convincingly people to switch platforms?
Look at YouTube. Plenty of other sites have tried to become the new YouTube. I think even Microsoft tried with Vimeo or something, and failed to garner substantial userbase.
It's not that TikTok does something all that special. It's just the cool thing right now. Which is pretty ducking terrifying that people are ok with TikTok.
pilgermann t1_j2zy8yz wrote
Inertia, too. Like, there's almost no reason to still use SMS style messaging. In fact Apple's decision to make their messaging largely incompatible with texting outside their ecosystem is a huge reason for everyone to just move onto a platform like Whats App (yes, I know who owns it) or even something like Slack or Discord.
But here we are. I mean hell, the phone companies were charging for texts not so long ago and we still stuck with it.
Realistic_Roll3566 t1_j2zscx0 wrote
Old Orange Man DJT said, he was gonna build his own... I guess like the wall I guess...
Can't remember if anyone in the middle thought it was a good idea?
Yet, it is pretty anti-capitalist--maybe just needs more regulation.
enddream t1_j32n43m wrote
Tons of startups complied Facebook back in the day too. It’s more the critical mass of users than anything.
fred7010 t1_j2zzofz wrote
If Flappy Bird taught us anything it's that there is probably profit to be made by buying iphones, installing tiktok, then selling them on ebay when it gets banned.
DarkISO t1_j30g9td wrote
Because they dont like that something China based is so popular here. Its always the same "nooo its a national security issue, we must ban it reeee!" Yea theyre teying to get state secrets from meme and dance videos...
Bleachrst85 t1_j31b8kd wrote
It's actually scary how few of these headlines can scare and make people follow so easily. Just the use of few words is enough to shift opinions of an entire group.
Zanzaclese t1_j2xqgc9 wrote
But how else will I ignore all my problems instead of fixing them?!
naql99 t1_j2z0xxb wrote
FWIW, nobody puts social media apps on GFE (or should), so it seems like a bit of a NOOP.
a_white_american_guy t1_j2zfjj9 wrote
Why is this important? Let’s just get to the part where it gets shitcanned and some other clone or whatever takes over.
usmc4924 t1_j2zhksh wrote
Trump said this
__i_hate_reddit t1_j304yqn wrote
stopped clock and all
(he was right about Jerusalem too)
antifragile t1_j2zkas8 wrote
Crony capitalism 101 - US mass media working hand in hand with government agencies to manufacture consent for banning as bombing isn't possible.
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Left_Practice_181 t1_j30qak2 wrote
You guys notice it take up over gig on your phone?
Misaka10782 t1_j30vgdc wrote
Just because it's from China.
Strict_Nectarine_365 t1_j31ehrt wrote
I don't think tiktok is any worse than any other software company in regards to data collectiom and sales - including google and apple (or facebook)- what I do think it that TikTok has had a MASSIVE effect on western instability by pouring gasoline on the fires of certain social movements. The acceptance and subsequent attempt of a youthful population to address many of the social issues affecting us has been HIGHLY influenced by tiktok. TikTok is a massively popular social media platform designed to deliver information in a visual context - I have learned more about the world and its issues (issues facing marginalized groups, mental health, ect) in two years on tiktok than I have my entire life as someone who is very passionate about social issues and history. I've learned stuff on reddit - but reddit is made up mostly of American white men - tiktok is mostly women and poc. It gives a different perspective when the majority of people using and communicating on the app are subject to certain forms of 'second class citizen' status. Tiktok is also a surprisingly tolerant place to post about these issues - while you definitely get some of the vitriol you can find on any social media site, the majority of people are helpful, supportive and empathetic (most likely due to its high female user base) - and has become an extremely attractive platform for starting social movements based on inclusiveness.
Tiktok is doing the thing that people in power never want those without power to do - communicate and share ideas.
So part of me does have to wonder - how much of the backlash over tiktok, especially from government sources, is really about its ability to destabilize using social disruption vs just as a data collection threat?
Are we really doing this again, where the thing that Women, POC and the LGBTQ community find enjoyable suddenly becomes evil?
Pichu_sonic_fan2545 t1_j2yj1xa wrote
They keep saying they are going to ban the app so just ban it already. I don't know what to take seriously anymore relating this subject.
To the US gov: JUST MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY!
madogvelkor t1_j2ykcmn wrote
They can't even elect a Speaker of the House, good luck passing any laws for the next 2 years.
Farseli t1_j2zd4nt wrote
When your campaign promise is that the government doesn't work this is how you deliver.
jaam01 t1_j313b9j wrote
A wide spread ban can be considered a violation of the first amendment, subject to lawsuits.
Pichu_sonic_fan2545 t1_j317sbw wrote
Yeah I think that's why they have never been able to actually ban the app before. I guess same goes for why Facebook's many trials haven't led to much action against privacy on thier sites as you could argue that silencing certain advertisers would violate free speech.
enddream t1_j332vtp wrote
That’s not how government works sadly.
r0ughedges t1_j2ys40l wrote
PLEASE ban TikTok - it is cancer
HanaBothWays t1_j2wy26r wrote
I am actually very uneasy about all these pushes to ban specific Chinese companies from doing business in the U.S. (ZTE, Huwaei, and now TikTok). Our supply chains, trade, and overall economy are so deeply enmeshed and interdependent by now. You can’t really put that toothpaste back in the tube.
On the one hand, if one country bans some of the other’s businesses, that’s just a drop in the bucket really. It also creates incentives for workarounds, smuggling, counterfeits, etc. which are already problems in the supply chain.
On the other hand, if one country decides to really screw and/or cut off the other…that would be devastating for both. And historically trade wars are often followed by wars of the more conventional kind. In a war between us and China, nobody would really win and the whole world would lose.
While China does do a lot of espionage and influence stuff we should be concerned about (stealing intellectual property, state-sponsored hacking, doing business with more openly hostile nation-states with Russia and North Korea), it would be really monumentally stupid to treat them like they’re, I don’t know, actually Russia or Iran or something. We already foreclosed on that option a long time ago. Again, we’re too enmeshed and we can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Craterdome t1_j2x7xvc wrote
How do you feel about China disallowing companies like Google from operating freely within its country? They wouldn't allow our media companies to dominate their landscape and we shouldn't allow the reverse.
jaam01 t1_j313hi9 wrote
The problem is that a widespread ban offer Tik Tok could be considered a violation of the first amendment subject to lawsuits.
HanaBothWays t1_j2x8cit wrote
Two wrongs don’t make a right and the whole idea of talking about “dominating” each other’s media landscape is bizarre is what I think.
Craterdome t1_j2x9itg wrote
You may think it's fine that TikTok has abused their power to spy on journalists who report on them, but I'm glad the US government does not find that OK.
The_frozen_one t1_j2xnqt4 wrote
Then why not generalize this? Why is it ok for any number of companies to collect data on US citizens, well beyond what is necessary to operate, with little to no oversight or accountability? The solution isn’t adhoc. Make all tech companies accountable. Require any company that meets a size threshold to have a regular external audit of their practices, with big enough repercussions for violations that companies can’t just pay a small fine and change nothing.
TikTok is low hanging fruit, but what’s the point if data brokers can legally resell mountains of information about you? The truth is TikTok isn’t breaking the law in most instances, we just don’t have any law that prevents what they are doing. National security arguments can’t be where this is fought, because we’ve seen over and over that countries will claim everything they don’t like is a national security issue.
HanaBothWays t1_j2xam4p wrote
ByteDance, the company that owns TikTok, fired the employees who inappropriately accessed user data including the data of journalists. Seems like those employees were doing on their own in violation of company rules and ByteDance was not okay with it!
Lawmakers’ stated concerns about TikTok are not related to that issue specifically, and are mostly speculation about what the Chinese government might do with that data if they compel ByteDance to hand it over.
Congress also did not need to pass a law banning TikTok from being installed on Federal government devices (AKA Government Furnished Equipment or GFE). The White House or certain offices within Executive Branch agencies can prohibit certain software from being installed on GFE, without a bill being passed. If you know that, you know passing a bill to make that happen is a bunch of jingoistic chest-thumping nonsense.
Craterdome t1_j2xb1yu wrote
Hey look they found some scapegoats to fire. Look I don’t trust them and you do, not much more to argue about here.
HanaBothWays t1_j2xcbxv wrote
You can be a conspiracy theorist about it or man up and apply the Occam’s Razor principle, maybe.
WeatherMonster t1_j2xhzcf wrote
Occam's Razor says China is using Tik Tok to spy on everyone.
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StrangerThanGene t1_j2xd0da wrote
>The internal ByteDance report, as first reported by the New York Times, found that the employees accessed IP addresses and other data of two U.S.-based reporters via their TikTok accounts — one for BuzzFeed News and one at the Financial Times — along with several individuals connected to the reporters.
This should be even more concerning. ByteDance is a company that allows employees user-access to database entries.
This is... wildly unsecure. Screw the employees, how in the hell did they even have access to client IP information? It's literally not something any employee would ever have cause to access. This is why we write functions to handle traffic.
The fact that this happened at all should be setting off every alarm bell and red flag you have about data security.
Photos99999 t1_j2xdhdx wrote
You don’t mind your personal information being compromised I guess. Man the stupidity on here
HanaBothWays t1_j2xfw0a wrote
> You don’t mind your personal information being compromised I guess.
Bro your entire life history and sensitive financial information is held by Experian, which is one of the credit reporting bureaus, which you cannot opt out of. Chinese state-sponsored hackers got all their stuff in 2015. Your medical records and your financial records have probably also been compromised multiple times (sometimes those hacks make the news, sometimes they don’t, freeze your credit).
Facebook can track your stuff even if you don’t have an account with them because they have scripts on all the most popular Web sites. You are actually safer from them if you have an account with them and don’t use if for anything except to max out your privacy settings - it’s the only way to opt out.
The ISP you are using to connect to this website, and most of the services you use online, collect and collate information on you, and sell it to data brokers (which the Chinese government can purchase from by the way, like anyone else).
That horse has left the barn for all of us.
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bigguccisofa_ t1_j2xpvh6 wrote
No I think he knows that he’s just saying ur protections from them are futile bc of what he’s stated
you’d get that if you weren’t just racist against the Chinese but masquerading it as a privacy concern. As a private American citizen what can the CCP even do to you?
Photos99999 t1_j2xvxuu wrote
What’s that old line about don’t argue with stupid pigs because they love the dirt or something
bigguccisofa_ t1_j2yimuk wrote
ur as bright as I expected
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rocklee8 t1_j2xkjhu wrote
Found the China official PR accoutn
HanaBothWays t1_j2xlndw wrote
Stick to sports.
RogueNarc t1_j2xt0i0 wrote
>it would be really monumentally stupid to treat them like they’re, I don’t know, actually Russia or Iran or something. We already foreclosed on that option a long time ago. Again, we’re too enmeshed and we can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.
China is worse than Iran or Russia. They have greater economic strength, stronger international relations, a seemingly competent military and strong internal cohesion. They want to be top dog and that position inherently cannot be shared.
HanaBothWays t1_j2xtudn wrote
> They want to be top dog and that position inherently cannot be shared.
IMAX-level projection
[deleted] t1_j2yccax wrote
Boy, wait until I tell you about the American companies that China has banned
HanaBothWays t1_j2yczdr wrote
Does that mean we should do it when we aren’t in active hostilities with them? I thought they weren’t a free country but we were? Did I misunderstand?
[deleted] t1_j2ydxcr wrote
It’s just ridiculous that you have China specific blinders on and you’re getting called out for swallowing the Kool Aid ✨
HanaBothWays t1_j2yeits wrote
Yeah okay sure
Last time we had your kind of attitude about another county we wasted 20 years, trillions of dollars, and a lot of American lives on a military misadventure that destabilized a whole region and they didn’t even have a comparable military force or nukes but I’m the one drinking Kool-Aid. Right.
xynix_ie t1_j2yndq4 wrote
The only companies interested in doing business in China are greedy companies that don't mind when China allows it's technology to be ripped off and copied. Many of these companies STILL think that somehow China's 80 billion people are somehow going to magically purchase their gear.
No. They're not. They're going to purchase the stolen gear for much less and despite every company like Apple getting their teeth kicked in every single year they line up for a fresh kicking to the face every single year.
Smart companies have already left, having had too many teeth gone missing the past decade.
So we're not tied to China. In fact if the borders closed this very second the only thing that would happen is Americans would have to figure out how to manufacture a fucking bag of screws again. For that we have 3D printers - time to end this relationship entirely.
Bunch of thieves and their government is ran by a dictator professing to be a damned emperor of all things. Ridiculous. Good riddance.
HanaBothWays t1_j2yow2b wrote
> The only companies interested in doing business in China are greedy companies that don’t mind when China allows it’s technology to be ripped off and copied.
This is laughably incorrect. Most of the manufactured products in your home have components that were fabricated or assembled in China. Whatever you typed that on? Partly if not completely assembled in China. Same for the routing equipment of your ISP that put it on the internet.
> Smart companies have already left, having had too many teeth gone missing the past decade.
No, a good chunk of the world’s global manufacturing is still there.
> So we’re not tied to China. In fact if the borders closed this very second the only thing that would happen is Americans would have to figure out how to manufacture a fucking bag of screws again.
Our economy would melt down overnight before we figured that out (so would theirs). We might not even have the means to build our own domestic production capacity for a century or so if we did that. Ask anyone who works in a statewide factory or a shipping or logistics company.
jaybazzizzle t1_j2wx1n7 wrote
Looks like the city of Troy thinks the wooden horse sitting outside the gates is a bit suspicious