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Specialist_Shine_298 t1_isdvuvb wrote

Pope Benedict XV had the tiara's jewels removed and replaced by replicas made of coloured glass. The jewels were sold to raise money for the victims of the First World War.

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Qzy t1_ise9lme wrote

What a boss pope.

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NocentBystander t1_isetlqv wrote

Yeah, this Catholic Church thing sounds like a stand up organization. I wonder what else they're known for...

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StanleyZ1978 t1_iseud67 wrote

You're probably gonna want to sit down for this.

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Steammail t1_isevymi wrote

You’re probably gonna want to.. take a sip of this wine for this..

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kazmosis t1_isf34ux wrote

Why do I feel so sleepy after just one sip of that wine?

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xEman26x t1_isf3fkz wrote

Because whatever is in the bread started kicking in already.

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woodk2016 t1_isfae64 wrote

I don't think that was bread....

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Nissepool t1_isg4sfm wrote

Whatever is in that Body of Christ started kicking in already.

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Odeeum t1_ishdbix wrote

There's a Bill Cosby joke in there somewhere...

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HorrificAnalInjuries t1_isgspvo wrote

if you want an organization that is schizophrenically hit-or-miss, you'd be harder pressed to find one as successful and long-lived

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GrumpyBearBank t1_isgu1wm wrote

One of the largest and most successful charitable organizations in the world. Also cannot seem to stop hiding child molesters amongst its clergy.

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RevanTheDemon t1_ishlkvi wrote

Oh it's worse than hiding. Actively enabling, abetting, and recalling them to The Vatican, which is a Sovereign State, to avoid prosecution when they're discovered.

Pope Francis is the PR Pope, yet has done very little to actually change how they handle the child rape problems outside of "Stern warnings".

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ItsSpeltWithaC t1_isgw6qg wrote

Known for being one stand up organization, no?

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GoombaPizza t1_ishct20 wrote

Well, they were one of the good guys in WWII, used to hide Jews in their monasteries/orphanages/etc.

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essdii- t1_ish3svf wrote

I know for a fact my great great great great great great grandparents are in heaven because my great great great great great grandparents bought them golden tickets from the church!! Can you believe it?!? Man. They got a get out of hell free card

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Grandpixbear1 t1_isjprll wrote

Wow! I'd love to see this "get out of hell card". Besides being a very valuable historical artifact!

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stillboard87 t1_isf19lp wrote

At the next World War the Vatican helped Nazi’s hide before providing a pathway to run to South America.

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RBoylson1028 t1_isgz2ba wrote

*Correction: A rogue, Austrian bishop (Alois Hudal) helped Nazis hide and escape to South America, and eventually left the Church when he was discovered and was told he would be dismissed. He was then banned from Rome by Pope Pius XII (who wrote an encyclical condemning Nazism).

The Vatican, in fact, issued false baptismal certificates for tens of thousands of European Jews to save them from the Holocaust.

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GoombaPizza t1_ishdohc wrote

Thank you. I'm no fan of religion and we all know the Catholic church has been corrupt in 50 million different ways, but I will not stand for this particular slander of them. They were the good guys during WWII, an active and invaluable part of the resistance.

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RBoylson1028 t1_ishesnt wrote

Definitely. As a Catholic, I can acknowledge plenty of actual wrongdoings in the Church's history. So honestly I'm mostly annoyed that he felt the need to make something up.

There's so much valid material to choose from if you really wanna hate on the Church.

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stillboard87 t1_ish76xj wrote

The Vatican was active in those ratlines

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RBoylson1028 t1_ish7bw3 wrote

In what way? Please elaborate.

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stillboard87 t1_ish7jl9 wrote

It’s T(oday) I L(earned)

It’s not T(oday) I T(aught)

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flakAttack510 t1_ish8v5n wrote

If you're the one making a claim like this, the onus is on you to provide the evidence.

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Civil_Speed_8234 t1_isimbnq wrote

Using the same sentence that people use to talk to religious people, on someone that hates religious people. And completely correctly too. Well done!

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stillboard87 t1_ish8xb7 wrote

I since have 👍🏼

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RBoylson1028 t1_ishbi9o wrote

Linking a Wikipedia article which mentions nothing about the Vatican being involved =/= providing evidence.

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RBoylson1028 t1_ish84t7 wrote

Mhm. Sounds very credible.

Well I would love to "learn" more about these alleged Vatican-endorsed ratlines. But you can't seem to provide any kind of source or evidence to support your claims.

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stillboard87 t1_ish8e48 wrote

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RBoylson1028 t1_ish9rp2 wrote

That article mentions nothing at all about the Vatican being involved. But if you had taken the time to read it, you would have found a link to Alois Hudal's bio, which states the following:

>"When, in 1937, Hudal published his book on the foundations of Nazism, Church authorities were upset because of his deviation from Church policy and teachings. Hudal, without mentioning names, had openly questioned the Vatican policy of Pope Pius XI and Eugenio Pacelli towards Nazism, which culminated in the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, in which the Vatican openly attacked National Socialism."

>"In January 1952, the Bishop of Salzburg told Hudal that the Holy See wanted to dismiss him. In June, Hudal announced to the cardinal protector of Santa Maria dell'Anima that he had decided to leave the college, disapproving of what he viewed as the Church's governance by the Allies."

>"After he was banned from Rome by Pius XII, Hudal withdrew to his residence in Grottaferrata, embittered towards Pius XII."

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NeilDatgrassHighson t1_isfazjl wrote

Literally took nazi gold as payment too.

Fucking crooks.

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Gewurah t1_isg0kq5 wrote

You know, balance of the force or something

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Meandmystudy t1_isge4w5 wrote

“You were supposed to bring balance to the force! Not leave it in darkness!”

Obi-Wan Kenobi

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Inner-Historian-597 t1_isejaxg wrote

Thanks for sharing that. As a catholic its easy and for good measure to blast the church recently. Especially with the priest scandals. Its nice too hear some good news lol

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falconfalcon7 t1_isenbz9 wrote

Good news from 100 years ago lol. It's not really good news if you have to look back that far!

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NautilusPanda t1_isenxfj wrote

Yea like priests weren’t doing sketchy unethical and disgusting things before our modern sensibilities developed.

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Wodan1 t1_isesfsj wrote

Google "castrato" and you'll be sent down all sorts of church related rabbit holes.

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Tru-Queer t1_isf778e wrote

Hey, so, you like singing and we like the sound of your voice so if you’ll just turn your head and cough, we’ll just snip these right off and get back to worshipping Jesus

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noejose99 t1_isgnjvh wrote

Wait until you try to figure out when conservatives were on the right side of history!

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IgotanEyedea t1_isg0obp wrote

What’s the hardest part about growing up catholic?

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tfortorment t1_ish59jd wrote

Knowing that you're going to hell no matter what you do.

Edited for spelling mistake

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Oddoctopode t1_iseh2gj wrote

Just need all popes to have ethics like Benedict XV

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Actual_Dinner_5977 t1_isdr6yc wrote

Insult me please

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Sunion t1_ise1pz8 wrote

Your mother was a hamster

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ConsistentNothing970 t1_isdqwch wrote

bro not very good at insults 😹

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TWiesengrund t1_isdzc3d wrote

"Hey man, I really hate you. So please accept this outrageously expensive gift with slight built-in impracticalities. Waht? No, you can't pawn it ..."

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Tihar90 t1_isg0rm4 wrote

If you're interested in rare insults giving a white elephant in Siam was actually an insult in disguise.

While honored and almost sacred a white elephant would be a burden because of how much it would eat, all the while being incapable of working under the sun given it's albinos skin.

The equivalent of being given a tank that can't fire but can't be turned off either

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mets2016 t1_ise7uam wrote

People must've had some really whack ideas of what was insulting back then

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Godtiermasturbator t1_isfgtzt wrote

"Haha I just gave you an unimaginable fortune in gemstones but get this.... You can't even wear them! What sweet revenge!"

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Specific_Success_875 OP t1_isgvka4 wrote

It was only around 179,800 Francs in 1805. According to this random inflation calculator online, that's a little over a million US dollars in 2015.

https://www.historicalstatistics.org/Currencyconverter.html

So basically, the cost of a house in the good part of a major American city.

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Lemmonjello t1_ish1luu wrote

You say that like it's nothing...

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DissociatedNewt t1_ish30hm wrote

Well, it’s practically nothing to an emperor.

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HunterRoze t1_ishq4ya wrote

Right, but there were how many of those on the planet at the time? This seems like the ultimate "baller" move - to say, I have so much money I can afford to blow it on this huge gaudy thing not fitted to be worn and far too heavy to be comfortable. But I so much money to me, I can do it as a "fuck you".

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DissociatedNewt t1_ishwzt9 wrote

That’s fair, but when the baller is also your head of state, one could consider it an expensive diplomatic gesture. It probably boosted the nation’s morale, especially since Napoleon’s reign was basically a “fuck you” to the feudalistic status quo.

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Specific_Success_875 OP t1_isi5x64 wrote

It basically is nothing nowadays. Back then a gift costing 179,800 francs is a "fuck you" only affordable by someone as rich and powerful as the Emperor of France.

Nowadays any ruler of a minor country can throw that kind of money around. heck any CEO of a medium-sized company has that kind of money.

The weird thing about inflation is that the amount of wealth in the world has gone up by a lot more than the cost of goods. Looking at luxury items from centuries ago is crazy because a lot of them aren't that expensive when adjusted for inflation.

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kthulhu666 t1_isdv0e0 wrote

Fortunately the following pope, Zippy, made good use of it.

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substantial-freud t1_isfb1d4 wrote

If anyone feels like insulting me by sending me 8kg of gold and jewels, go right ahead.

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santtu_ t1_isewtgm wrote

I would someone would so this kind of boss move on me. I'd be devastated, of course, crying all the way to the jeweller.

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mathmanmathman t1_ise0ce2 wrote

This was directly above in my feed and I misread Napoleon as Nintendo. Wild few seconds there.

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Rosebunse t1_isex2bo wrote

So...I should use it as a table ornament?

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tryingtodefendhim t1_isfnxek wrote

“Here is the jeweled crown you ordered”

“It’s total shite, can’t wear this garbage, throw i- On second thought….” -Napoleon probably

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OriginalSprax t1_isfreho wrote

“ oh no I have been insulted“ I proclaim dramatically as I happy put it on the shelf with other collections

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kharjou t1_isfg6gi wrote

Napoleon, your mother was a hamster and your father smelt Of elderberries.

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mcjc94 t1_isfr9lf wrote

It's good that Napoleon improved his insulting methods when he got in that Epic Rap Battles of History video

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Johannes_P t1_isgyssj wrote

Funnier fact: the decade before, during the Wars of the Coalition, he invaded the Papal States and asked them a so high ransom they had to remove the gems of the previous papal tiaras.

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ItsSpeltWithaC t1_isi4blk wrote

A lot of the bad guys, were good guys during WWII

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Colespock t1_isi7r17 wrote

It’s very late here, I read that as ‘nickelodeon’. Lol

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Inner-Historian-597 t1_isfimk5 wrote

Man id knock u out if i saw you. God bless the internet 🙏

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OriginalSprax t1_isfscmk wrote

You’re so unhinged you’re not even replying to the actual reply chain anymore. That’s funny.

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chrisco125 t1_isds380 wrote

It probably fit Napoleon though. He was tiny

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Hellsbellsbeans t1_isdtbvt wrote

That's actually a myth. He was an average hight for the period (5.6). He was called the Little General as an insult to his low birth, but the aristos didn't laugh for long lol.

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g0mjabbar27 t1_isdv63x wrote

I believe it was also due to differences in the French and English measuring systems

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aqlu t1_isdwqx0 wrote

You're only 2 meters? Well, I'm 5 freedom units. Take that metric system!

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WalkingCastle t1_isdwskr wrote

That’s what happens when you have your own measuring system, invent the Imperial system and don’t use it, and then convert it all to the metric system anyway except for weight. How good at keeping track do you think they were before all that?

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UnlawfulStupid t1_ise7c0r wrote

Wasn't it (also?) because his personal guards were all chosen due to their large sizes, so he looked small by comparison? Or is that another myth?

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twoinvenice t1_isdtbwt wrote

It’s an urban legend. Google shall set you free

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DreamsOfMafia t1_isdu3yi wrote

Also Napoleon only being an inch shorter than me at 5' 7"

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