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[deleted] t1_ix3qokp wrote

Reply to comment by Cold-Try6621 in Open Discrimination within the Agency of Human Services -- State Funded Abuse of a Vulnerable Population by lindrios

> Another big problem is the people living off of the program themselves.

I had to scroll past a mere two threads to find an American blaming the victim. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. Americans are such a wicked and cruel people.

Poverty is a failure of society, not the individual.

> This program is nothing more than a trash can where the state throws their unwanted

They're human beings, not garbage. Housing is a human right. That's not just a catchy woke political slogan, either. It's been defined as a basic human right under international law for decades now. That means every human deserves basic shelter, regardless of how rotten they are. Even Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein deserve human rights.

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Nemesis_Ghost t1_ix5goos wrote

>I had to scroll past a mere two threads to find an American blaming the victim. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. Americans are such a wicked and cruel people.

You obviously didn't read his whole comment, especially his conclusion. He specifically states that the issue is the program, those running it, and those taking advantage of it to remain the dregs of society. His complaint is not with those who want or need to use the program to help better themselves, but those who do not & actually make it hard for others.

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[deleted] t1_ix5hejz wrote

Human rights shouldn't be conditional on using the program "to help better themselves." That's the whole problem! Who the hell do we think we are as a society, to place any demands on someone that we so graciously allowed to live in a dilapidated 150 sq ft room, anyway?

If you want to reform this program, take it out of the private sector. Seize the hotels for these violations, and tell the capitalists they're lucky we don't jail them for fraud. The private sector ghouls stealing $4000/mo in room fees are the only problem I see with this program. Should cost 1/10 of that, really. It's a shitty motel room, FFS.

I don't care if they're shooting heroin all day in that state funded room. Even with the brazen criminality of the private sector on display here, it's still a bargain compared to jail. Jail costs $10k a month.

I also don't care how much nuance that poster caged it in. Their core value underlying it all is they think some people are subhuman, that they don't deserve basic human rights, that housing is something to coerce others with. Always eating from the trashcan of ideology, we are.

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Nemesis_Ghost t1_ix5i0q3 wrote

The difference is that we can't save everybody, especially those who do not want to be saved. Tax dollars have to be prioritized, and while we should try to do as much as we can, if someone wants to live a deplorable life they should be let to & not at the expense of those who do not. The people who abuse these programs are the ones who give them a bad name so that the programs become the target for funding cuts. You are naïve if you think otherwise.

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[deleted] t1_ix5iium wrote

Oh, for fuck's sake. The scarcity is artificial. We are the richest country in the history of the world. We can afford to house people. The scarcity is artificial. We need to start deprioritizing capitalism instead of human rights. The problem is systemic.

No, what makes the programs a target for funding cuts is this neoliberal brainrot, that makes people think human rights are negotiable to the whims of the market. Print more money. Money isn't even real FFS.

Society has made a conscious choice, to allow a couple rich assholes to spend $44 billion on fucking Twitter by not outlawing billionaires, instead of guaranteeing human rights.

The most amazing part to me is, Housing First policies were pioneered by freaking Utah. You're unironically further right wing on housing policy than the goddamn Mormons. This isn't radical stuff. The status quo of unrestricted capitalism is what is radical.

I am really not looking forward to what liberals like you do when the scarcity isn't just make-believe numbers on a computer screen. You're gonna turn to eco-fascism so goddamn fast, I guarantee it.

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IrrigatedPancake t1_ix7p68b wrote

The issue is not a lack of tax dollars. It's that politicians who are seen to be helping people voters don't want to associate with get voted out of office.

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random_vermonter t1_ix4230b wrote

Yeah I mean, WHO does he think this program is for? You're going to have people who are struggling who may be disrespectful and uncaring because they're in an untenable situation. They may make messes, disrupt the lives of others and do copious amounts of drugs. However, they are still human and should still be off of the streets where they're less of a danger to the public.

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