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Lula, Putin supporter.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-lula-says-zelenskiy-as-responsible-putin-ukraine-war-2022-05-04/

So when does Russia withdraw? That’s kind of necessary for a settlement.

Weirdly, though, Brazil voted in favour of the UN GA resolution calling for Russia to withdraw troops from Ukraine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/11aa8up/comment/j9quoa3/?context=3

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"Brazil's Lula intensifies push to get attention and portray himself as a world leader to hopefully shore up his own situation, ignoring the fact that literally nobody is asking for him to be involved in any way"

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Exactly. Anything less is condoning war crimes and greenlighting Putin to step back resupply and then attack Moldova.

Every proposal for “peace” thus far amounts to just giving Putin what he wants. There is no mention of guarantees against future aggression, or of any kind of compensation to the Ukrainians.

Brazil has hundreds of different really important problems and this guy spends his days trying to help russia what an idiot.

Exactly. This is why we should support nothing other than Russians leaving all of Ukraine. Including Crimea.

What infkuence does thus oerson have? Not to sound negative, but he needs to start fixing Brazil. Such a beautiful country, such a hot mess.

The next few months of this war will be the most decisive yet, as russian conscripts now make their military force in the region larger than Ukraine's. This peace deal lies on if Ukraine or Russia trust they will be able to fully win such a war. If neither believe in an achievable victory, they'll come to the table.

Brazil wants to gain international goodwill by positioning itself as the mediator of such a peace if it occurs. As a foubding member of BRICS, and the most pro US/Europe member of BRICS currently, Itamaraty is trying to position itself in such a way to booster future foreign policy objectives of Brazil, like renegotiating it's OECD entry application, Mercosur-EU free trade treaty, objectives in Africa and Latin America, and UNSC permanent seat objetctives.

Ukraine itself has backed Brazil's proposal at the UN, with Lula having 2 conversations with Zelensky in the past week, so this isn't a long shot. Though I should add that the situation might change quickly depending on who and what is brought to the table and which demands are made.

BRICS, Putin has a long relationship with Lula from his previous governments

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That may very wll be true, but it seems Putin isn't listening to anyone right now. He's in his own little dream world thinking of Soviet Era greatness.

I mean, a good chunck of the resolution was directly proposed by Brazil specifically, notacibly the call for an immediate ceasefire, it would have been kind of weird if we had voted against something that we proposed ourselves.

Only BRICS nation to not abstein in the vote too, which is something that i'm sure will be ignored by a lot of people on the sub who have zero knowledge or understanding of Brazil's diplomatic traditions and positioning in global conflicts and like to immediatly associate it's more neutral or moderate positions as being "pro-Russia".

>ignoring the fact that literally nobody is asking for him to be involved in any way

Scholz literally asked him personally to sell tank ammunition to Germany to be sent to Ukraine, i fail to see how that is not asking someone to get involved.

>with Lula having 2 conversations with Zelensky in the past week

I believe the conversations have not heppened yet. The original report from the Itamaraty said that the call between Lula and Zelensky had been scheldueld for after Carnaval and more recently Vieira said that it is expected to happen next week.

Vieria also mentioned that Lula will probably also hold a call with Putin a few days later as to follow the standard practice of the Itamaraty in cases of conflicts.

There's also been some reports that Zelensky will likely invite Lula to visit Ukraine during their direct call. Knowing Lula i think he is likely to accept.

At least he isnt in a fucking jetsky

I must have misremendered, thanks for the correction

You fail to see the difference between the entire free world being asked to supply aid to Ukraine, and literally nobody being asked to tell Ukraine how to handle their own situation? If you can't tell those two things apart I don't know what to tell you. Wanting amunition doesn't make Brazil special and it certainly isn't a suggestion that Lula of all people has some magical ability to "solve" the war in Ukraine. Nobody is asking for his opinion and yet he's trying to get attention for it anyways.

Honestly were people in this sub born yesterday? You don't recognize good old fashioned grandstanding when you see it?

The only path to peace is for Russia to withdraw to internationally recognized 1991 borders.

If other nations think they can diplomatically talk Putin into withdrawing, great. But if these people think they can command Ukraine to surrender, they need to sit down and shut up.

Lula and Brazil have approximately zero influence on Putin. Even the Kremlin has approximately zero influence on Putin.

Basically Russia needs to lose badly and repeatedly until Putin either wakes up or dies. Hopefully one of these events can transpire sooner than later.

Basically every single call for “diplomacy” is a bad faith proposal for Ukraine to surrender.

Lula is so confounding to me because I think his domestic policies are good and sound, but he has some of the shittiest foreign affairs takes I’ve ever heard.

“It takes two to go to war” gee Sun Tzu thanks for that illuminating take, it’s not like war by definition would be between two or more factions. If the US invaded Brazil would he be saying that as well? That Brazil is at fault for fighting back?

It reminds me of when the new Colombian President shit on the US in a speech to his base then met with the CIA director the next day and asked for money. Lula just wants to be anti-west for the sake of being anti-western and because it’s a pathetic attempt to get a dig at the west (at the expense of Ukrainian people); he has no other coherent rationale for how exactly it’s Ukraine’s fault that they got invaded because Russia doesn’t accept their sovereignty or ability to make autonomous decisions regarding their future. It’s the classic global south mentality of “I want pity for my history of colonization, and you should be standing up for me, but if another country gets colonized by an imperialist power, you’re insane for suggesting I condemn it when I can profit off of it (in this case by buying cheap fertilizer) instead”.

Nothing Lula or Zelenskyy say will matter so long as Putin is happy throwing a 1-2,000 Russians to their death every single day. Their losses crossed over 100,000 on Dec 22. They have lost nearly 50,000 more men since that time as they desperately try to take tiny villages in the middle of nowhere. Regardless of good intentions, this war will continue until Russia can no longer field a military. At this rate they are experiencing a Vietnam’s worth of casualties every 5 months or so and picking up speed. How long until it breaks?

People who have zero knowledge, a tedency to overestimate their knowledge and who are also looking for reasons to be angry...boom.

Ah yes, let's not call for diplomacy, let's wait until Putin dies, maybe when the conflict reaches 1.000.000 deaths he will stop being an autocratic leader and "wakes up".

Show us a version of “diplomacy” that is not telling Ukraine to surrender their land.

“Call for diplomacy” = bossy outsiders telling Ukraine to surrender.

Lula or Xi have no moral authority to tell Ukraine they must surrender. This is Ukraine’s decision to make. They don’t need outsiders telling them to negotiate (surrender). If Lula or Xi want to “call for diplomacy” they should tell Putin to withdraw to 1991 borders instead of telling Ukraine to surrender.

He is the president of the 5th largest country on Earth, elected by a country with more than 200 million citizens to be the head of state and also to conduct Brazilian foreign police. If anyone here wasnt asked to give their opinion, it was you

Keep thinking about though, maybe one day u can learn a thing or two

Everyone’s trying to play peacemaker but don’t have the balls to tell Putin that it’s wrong to invade another country and kill unarmed civilians.

well it does matter because not everyone is Putin stooge. If Lula and Zelenskiy do the song and dance of peace Putin would be cemented as unreasonable party who will call even his allies the west unless they hand him everything he wants. China's plan was a nothing burger, but Zelenskiy who initially was frustrated with it has moved into "we'll talk about". the goal is to isolate Russia rhetorically and eventually Economic. about moving the needle even in India where there is a cynical self interest about "if we play nice with Russia we'll get their stuff when they croak"

Also Vietnam happen in a free society, where the loses could be seen but the benefits of victory weren't. in Russia it is the opposite, a society of brutal repression and where the nationalists have clear goals and "benefits"- i.e. seeing those regions in the Russian landmass.

being a politician must be easy. talk a lot but say nothing.

Thank you Brazil for playing a constructive role in building world peace.

We'll take whatever help we can get in Ukraine. Especially from a BRIC nation.

I think brazils uniquely situated to leverage themselves diplomatically to end this war with ukraine calling the shots. lulas anti nato, this gives his calls for peace weight. i don't think hes stupid. He knows what Russia has done, invaded a neighbor for territorial aspirations.

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It sure is interesting, Putin promises something “the world won’t soon forget” for the 1 year anniversary of the war. Yesterday marked 1 year, and nothing. Instead, we get the leaders of all these shitty Russia Simp countries begging for “peace”.

Makes you wonder how badly Russia is suffering if they have to send their friends to call for an end to it.

You have little to no understanding about politics.

Without Russia withdrawing, “peace talks” amount to surrender.

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