Xi will take valueable insights from this meeting by calling for ceasefire in Ukraine for the 123rd time

after his last visit to Putin the war started. Dictators only understand power, too bad so many people haven’t figured it out yet

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Good luck with that. Xi has no reason to help Ukraine but is more interested in saving Russia.

Yeah right. A person who has a similar agenda like Putin will for sure stop the war. LOOOL!!!!

Macron is a weak, incompetent leader.

He should stay out of this.

China evolving and gradually turning into a go-to place for resolution of international disputes...

Boycott form the public if willing yes. An actual embargo? No.

Please do put some thought into your comments, doesn't it get tiring just spamming this to try and karma farm?

Nope.

How does Macron not see this for the power grab it is from China? Appearing reasonable now to set the stage for some fuckery later.

What end to the war do you suggest?

Defeat Russia in Ukraine militarily and economically. Anything less just stores up more problems for the future.

Not a good move. France should stick to helping Ukraine.

With some luck laybe they'll get tired of Russia's shit

Doing both

Yeah, good luck with that.

Macron must be bored with that much time on his hands to waste.

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Makes the west look weak, nothing we can say will change China's position. If we give them or Russia anything they get a small win and prepare for the next invasion a few years down the road.

Send Ukraine the weapons it needs, France has sent very little compared to the U.S., UK, Germany, Canada and even Poland.

Why is this French Frog grasping at straws here. Even Zelensky called him out on his chicken hawk ways.

Even if you can push out Russia that doesn't end the war. It will be just like Palestine but with a lot and real rockets.

Just Russia terrorizing Ukraine with rockets across the borders.

All the sanctions have way less effect than the west would like. The exports were down 18.9% in 2022 but that is only if you look at the full year. In the end of the year exports were only down 10.6% YoY. So Russia replaced already 80% of the exports to the EU with exports to other countries.

The GDP went only down by 2.2%.

Ukraine will also not lose they are getting more than enough fresh supply from the west to sustain.

So this defeat you are talking about will take 10 years +. If no one is interested in peace talks which might be the case.

If the Russian armed forces are repelled from ukrainian territory, the collapse of the Russian army and federation is nigh.

Lmao bro. Lmao 🤣

In your dreams.

Okay 👍

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/impact-sanctions-russian-economy/
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12092

According to the russians themselves, they have lost 419 000 able-bodied men from their economy since from January-October 2022. These are the rich/educated people that actually can afford to run. People that you really want in your economy.
https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/forbes-russia-700-000-people-have-left-russia-since-mobilization-began

Their currency has been isolated so far, they are still being hit hard.

The current Russian leadership is unlikely to survive being pushed out of Ukraine - and if it does, the country will be broken demographically and economically.

Even if it does lead to an extended, drawn-out conflict we have to let other dictators know that aggression is punished harshly.

Economic sanctions haven’t had as harsh an immediate affect as some hoped, but the country will be bled dry fighting sanctions and a major war at the same time.

> “China must help us put pressure on Russia so that it never uses chemical or nuclear weapons … and that it stops its aggression as a precondition for talks,” he [Macron] added.

Kind of what he it trying to do.

China's 12-point position paper.

1-4, and 12 can't happen while Russia occupies Ukraine.

5-7 were ideas already ruined by Russia when they directly attacked humanitarian corridors, schools, and power plants.

8 is especially laughable.

> 8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances.

> In 2020, the US estimated that China had nuclear warheads numbering in the low-200s and expected the stockpile to double within a decade. Just two years later, China has reached that mark and could have some 1,500 nuclear warheads by 2035 if they continue to expand their stockpile at the current pace, according to the 2022 China Military Power report released Tuesday.

9-11 are what they really want.

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Power over the aggressor. Leverage in the form of anything that threatens their perceived strength.

Honest question: do you really believe Macron and his entire team, whose entire job is to think and consider those issues, are not at least as smart or competent as you in these matters? And the same thing for other leaders who talk about such matters?

If the answer is yes, then good for you I hope you achieve all you can be then. If not then maybe you can realize there are things that escape you, and notably secondary dialogue behind the public messaging?

China just changed ever so slightly some part of their position, and what they publicly call their "peace plan for Ukraine" , and now other countries are letting them know whether it changed anything or not in their view.

Same reason why zelensky said he was ready to talk with China about their peace plan, the idea was simply to make it clear their position was still Ukraine would be the main interlocutor, not "China negotiates between Russia and the US".

xi might be willing to trade Russia for a free hand with Taiwan. Wouldn't think any western country would agree with that, but we are in unscripted territory.

Proper waste of his time & resources..

Lol he’s karma farming downvotes

waste of time.

Macron wants to waste his time ?

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There will be less dead Ukrainians if Putin is defeated. Allowing Putin to stay in power isn’t going to make Ukraine, or the world, any safer.

And let’s not forget - it’s the Ukrainians that want the Russians off of their land. They’re asking for our weapons and we need to give them everything they need to kill the invaders.

Not who you're responding to, but I do think Macron and his team have displayed naiveté on matters such as this in the past. That's not to say his team isn't smart, but smart people can be wrong which is why Europe was so dependent on Russia at the outset of this war.

I mean, it’s still not a bad thing point number 8 was made. I don’t think China was insincere on that matter. It does not benefit them for a nuclear war to break out near their southern border.

There’s plenty of countries you can move to if you love dictatorships and enjoy living under the boot.

I’m not sure I’ve seen a competent dictator yet though - they usually seem to drag their country down with them. Any examples you’d like to live under?

This is a troll account. Two months old and has posted nothing but misinformation and propaganda.

If you're talking about the early month and even the couple weeks before, when he kept negotiating with Putin, he released calls showing it was Zelensky who asked him to do that.

After Bucha he wanted to stop and again Zelensky asked the communication channel to be kept open.

And France had and has very low dependancy on Russia and its resources, our nuclear maintenance issue was unrelated if extremely poorly timed.

I'm talking about a wide swath of issues, to include statements about not wanting to humiliate putin.

so France is still looking for someone to surrender to. But that far away ?

Agreed. In fact, they are likely interested in using this war as a test ground for their military tech too. Real life data of their weapon’s performance vs western weapons will be invaluable for them.

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France is trying to understand (just like any other countries) if China is bullshitting, strangely honest, or Putin's scapegoat to retreat from Ukraine. Macron has said, very clearly : it is to the Ukranians to choose the terms and conditions of a peace deal.

Just like Zelensky, he's trying to poke china to see whats up with their rethoric. Is China setting an escape route for Putin ? Is China serious about this ? Or are they starting to feel the pressure on them ?

Bring him a pot of honey to make him happy right before the meeting.

France’s macron has deep hate toward USA, he does everything against to undermine US politics, but he knows his country can’t fly outside of the European flock which all of it sides with the US.

For those who are dismissing Macron's attempt, know that France helped negotiate a ceasefire between Russia and Georgia back in 2008. Anyone who really has the interest of the Ukrainian people at heart would not want this war to prolong.

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This has much more to do with Airbus than it has to do with Ukraine. I’ll just leave it at that.

Redditors want the war to continue indefinitely. Redditors want exactly what the US State Dept wants.

Poor Macron seems to be the last one to know that Xi picked a side a long long time ago.

Sometimes in Diplomacy you have to publicly sxck dxck if you want to achieve your goal.

You make yourself look weak in order to give a strongman leader the cutscenes he needs for internal propagation, so he might agree to a diplomatic resolution where he will claim to be in control. Simple "alpha" manipulation, some might say women invented it (whoever has a wife knows what I'm talking about).

In the case of Macron it failed. And while I think it was wrong on the part of Macron to say "we shouldn't humiliate Putin" as Russia/Putin clearly deserves the humiliation they brought on themselves, I won't be the judge whether the weakness Macron publicly showed was Diplomacy or real.