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odc100 t1_jd0c2gh wrote

I’ll contribute if you let me write a message on one.

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[deleted] t1_jd0c68v wrote

Ukraine: we desperately need more ammunition now, we use 350,000 shells per month.

EU: we promise to send you a 3-month supply within the next 12 months.

Ukraine: ...

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autotldr t1_jd0db0j wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)

> EU defence and foreign ministers backed an initiative aimed at providing Ukraine with one million artillery shells in the next 12 months as well as replenishing EU stocks during a meeting held in Brussels on Monday.

> Ukraine had told the EU it wants 350,000 shells a month to help its troops hold back Moscow's onslaught and allow them to launch fresh counteroffensives later in the year.

> Ukraine became the world's number three importer of arms in 2022 after Russia's invasion triggered a big flow of military aid to Kyiv from the United States and Europe, according to Swedish think-tank SIPRI. The US Department of State also announced on Monday that the US will send Ukraine $350m in weapons and equipment, including various types of ammunition, such as rockets, and an undisclosed number of fuel tanker trucks and riverine boats.

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kokopilau t1_jd0f8ha wrote

Send everything from everywhere all at once

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ishmal t1_jd10utw wrote

The more the better. But it would be even better if they quit fighting WW1 with artillery and trenches. It's time to break out and start racing overland as if it were the 21st century.

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AlkaliPineapple t1_jd1n1f1 wrote

Replying to ishmal (#2,286,324)

Trench warfare actually still exists in modern warfare. Trenches and huge minefields were used in Iraq and Afghanistan by both sides. This is the first war since WW2 where neither side has the overwhelming advantage unlike Russia back in 2014, so the war was bound to become static

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Scaevus t1_jd20s59 wrote

Replying to ianjm (#2,285,124)

"Some of you have asked me if using Michelle Yeoh is a war crime. Legal has reassured me that no, the Geneva Conventions cover armed conflicts of an international nature, not an interdimensional nature. May God have mercy on the Russian invaders, because Michelle won't."

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Vulture2k t1_jd28xgy wrote

Isnt it kinda sad that all those shells of both sides will land on their country? :/

so much damage done..

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not saying they shouldnt have them, of course they should.. its just.. sad.

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oceansofhair t1_jd2d2op wrote

Great news! Artillery is still the most critical armament in this war. It's the only short-term answer to Russia's larger man power.

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carpcrucible t1_jd2gr8v wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,288,955)

How? That's what happened.

Do people not realize that this is literally a matter of life and death? Like, it's no joke. The political will is nowhere near where it should be to achieve the lofty promised goals of securing sovereignty and territorial integrity.

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Vulture2k t1_jd2hml2 wrote

Replying to BadReview8675309 (#2,289,305)

more worried about duds they will find for many many years. i imagine its not as bad anymore as in ww1 and ww2 but many countries that participated in the world wars still find duds to this day during construction work or agriculture.

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OceanIsVerySalty t1_jd2it3a wrote

Replying to Vulture2k (#2,289,341)

France still has areas you can’t go into because of the unexploded ordinances. It’s not just a few duds that pop up now and then, there’s areas so peppered with them that people can’t safely use that land.

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Clean_Judgment912 t1_jd2uwlc wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,284,703)

Now what is clear is that Ukraine is leading an oldfashioned mechanised all arms war with high ammunition use. The EU tries to help but it is not really the organization to deliver ammo to deliver the Ukrainian demands. It would be much better if some countries like the US or Germany would put some factories up to equip Ukraine.

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carpcrucible t1_jd2x8cd wrote

Replying to trailingComma (#2,289,709)

I'm not spitting in our face, I'm pointing out that it took us a year to agree to get started to ramp up shell production. It was clear from the first months that the rate couldn't be sustained. But in good bureaucratic fashion, spent a year doing what exactly.

We can't go to Kyiv to do photo-ops with Zelensky and talk about how we'll ensure Ukraine's security and then not actually take the steps necessary to achieve that. If we aren't actually committed, it's better to push for a ceasefire then.

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Buntisteve t1_jd30la1 wrote

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

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HappyAmbition706 t1_jd34xbd wrote

Replying to carpcrucible (#2,288,768)

To be fair, not too many could predict that Ukraine would still be there 2 weeks in. And Afghanistan was fresh in mind, or South Vietnam.

Production at the rates that Ukraine uses, needs and will need when they go back on offence isn't something that can be kept up during peacetime, nor maintaining the unused capacity to do it when there is not such war or buyers.

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Hot-Delay5608 t1_jd34xjq wrote

Russia will destroy every single one of those shells ... until they run out of bodies and vehicles

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pikachu191 t1_jd4f339 wrote

Replying to ianjm (#2,285,124)

With hot dog fingers? Or the universe where she and Jamie Lee Curtis are lesbian lovers? Or the one where she and her husband never get together and become successful, but are lonely?

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