Aplakka
Aplakka OP t1_j24yc2l wrote
Reply to comment by Hartastic in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
It is true that the characters are very distinct from each other, I have to give him that.
Maybe part of it is that I'm just not that into grimdark as a genre, because at some point I get "grimness exhaustion" where I feel that if everything is miserable and pointless for the characters, it starts to feel pointless as a reader to continue reading.
But there are cases where I do like tragic things. I actually did like the point where Logen was told that his bloodlust had effectively forced King Bethod to rebellion by killing people Bethod tried to negotiate with etc. It did bring the earlier mentions of successful duels etc. to a different light, while fitting his character.
With Logen I was mainly annoyed at the ending cliffhanger (or cliffjumper maybe?), it just felt a bit too "on the nose" as a bookend for the start of the trilogy, and not the type of conclusion that I like. I think it partly soured me on him retroactively.
Aplakka OP t1_j24wqji wrote
Reply to comment by TheGreatDragonOfDawn in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
Glad to find that I'm not the only one who didn't enjoy every character :D Although most of them did have quite good elements, for some I'm more annoyed about the ending rather than the journey.
Aplakka OP t1_j24wj2c wrote
Reply to comment by Executioneer in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
All good points, and I agree. Maybe I was just feeling overly annoyed when I wrote the post, because I keep agreeing with majority of things that people say.
Aplakka OP t1_j24wa2w wrote
Reply to comment by CycleResponsible7328 in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
I haven't read Elmore Leonard, but thanks for the recommendation. Looks like one of his stories was adapted to Quentin Tarantino's Jackie Brown, so it sounds interesting.
Aplakka OP t1_j24w2op wrote
Reply to comment by FridaysMan in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
You're right, I copy pasted it from a Wiki list of PoV characters and got the wrong one.
Those are good points. The characters often do have plenty of shades of grey, and there are a lot of trope subversions, such as the great wise wizard not being very nice in the end.
I think I may have gotten too focused on some characters feeling like they didn't change enough during the story (e.g. Ferro) or just having somewhat pointless feeling fates (e.g. Collem West). Maybe it's just part of grimdark genre where pointless bad things happening to (somewhat) good people is just normal. As people have listed, there are a lot of good things.
Many people have said the later books continue improving, so maybe I should continue.
Aplakka OP t1_j24uzqn wrote
Reply to comment by HunterRoze in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
That's true. Maybe I'm not giving enough credit for that. Or maybe I kind of thought of the trope subversion etc. as a part of the plot or worldbuilding, but it is a significant part of the characters too.
Aplakka OP t1_j24uklz wrote
Reply to comment by Ok-Spray2 in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
Yeah I generally try to not care too much if others like/dislike something differently than I do. In this case it just sometimes feels like I'm missing some sort of punchline that others are seeing and got curious.
Aplakka OP t1_j24u6e1 wrote
Reply to comment by RespectableRedditor_ in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
It's true that they have personality, feel very distinct, etc. But while I enjoyed many of them, I did occasionally feel like "oh no a Ferro chapter." Also I feel that I'm probably not as character focused reader as many Abercrombie fans. I felt like some characters such as Ferro should have changed more during the story.
Several people have said that the later books get better, so maybe I should continue after all. I am interested in finding out which direction the world is going.
Aplakka OP t1_j1boxe1 wrote
Reply to comment by HunterRoze in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
He for sure is unpredictable, like ending the second book in the trilogy with most of the book being a waste of time (some of it was useful in the third book though).
I just don't understand what's the deal with everyone hyping the characters: What are the factors that make the characters awesome?
Aplakka OP t1_j1biq3k wrote
Reply to comment by wjbc in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
Thanks for the recommendations!
Aplakka OP t1_j1bhyuh wrote
Reply to comment by a_bear_there_was in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
Overall I agree that it's cool that Abercrombie is subverting hero's journey etc. It's just that from my point of view it seems that people keep telling me that I need to ignore everything else and just love his characters. I just don't see why his character work would be _that_ amazing.
Aplakka OP t1_j1bgp9q wrote
Reply to comment by wjbc in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
Makes sense... Maybe this kind of "no glimmer of hope" stuff just isn't for me.
Aplakka OP t1_j1bdynh wrote
Reply to comment by wjbc in Understanding Abercrombie's character hype by Aplakka
Yeah I agree, there's a lot of difficult choices, badassery, black humor, etc. That's what kept me reading the trilogy.
I guess I just didn't understand Abercrombie's black humor about Logen just failing in the end, it just seemed too "Aristocrats!" to me :P
Aplakka t1_ja1on7b wrote
Reply to LPT: Don't look at your clock when waking up during the night to increase your quality of sleep. It's a lot easier to fall back asleep when you don't keep track of the sleeping time you still have left. by migudude
This has also worked for me. But I'm not sure if it would have worked without the alarm clock I have. It has the feature that it starts to shine 30 minutes before the alarm, getting brighter before starting to ring.
If the alarm clock is shining, I know it's time to get up. If it's not shining, I know there's enough time to sleep more. I don't need to worry I'll fall asleep 2 minutes before the alarm ringing.