Apprehensive_Fuel873
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeg3tg1 wrote
Reply to comment by xlRadioActivelx in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
"I'm not going to justify them with a response... now here is my response." I suggest getting your own house in order before throwing out accusations.
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And when did I say that society must function? If I don't think existing is inherently good, why do you assume I think society existing is inherently good? Frankly, you're just embarrassing yourself by showing just how profoundly myopic and ignorant you are. You cannot process these complex ideas. That's fine. I struggle with quantum physics. But that's why I don't talk about quantum physics. When you're an idiot, you should shut your idiot mouth, not get annoyed at others for pointing out your idiocy.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeg3dsw wrote
Reply to comment by xlRadioActivelx in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
>Most people are happy existing.
Why does that make it ok to force people into it with the alternative being suicide? Most people like bread, forcing someone to eat on pain of death is fucking evil.
Look, I get it, you're not able to think abstractly or beyond your immediate experiences, that's fine, it's ok to lack the brain power. But when you have that limitation, it's better to just shut the fuck up and not crop dust the world with your ignorance.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jec3gk6 wrote
Reply to comment by xlRadioActivelx in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
That assumes it's fine to exist. Why is it ok to force existence on a person?
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jec32gv wrote
Reply to comment by xlRadioActivelx in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
Why are you basing your sense of morality on biology? Lots of animals involve violence in their reproductive process, are you saying violent reproduction is ok for humans just because it's "natural"/
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Arsenic is also natural, does that make it good? Why do you make nature your metric for goodness?
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeb6l68 wrote
Reply to comment by yodog5 in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
Right? "If you don't like your life, you can always just kill yourself, so why are you complaining?" is an exceptionally fucked up thing to believe.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeb6f9u wrote
Reply to comment by pebblebrusher in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
Why is that absurd or bad framing?
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeb6e69 wrote
Reply to comment by xlRadioActivelx in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
Why is that absurd? I was. I would've preferred not to have been. Because now my options are struggle or suicide. And that's called coercion. When the choice is x or death, that's not a real choice.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeb66ge wrote
Reply to comment by xlRadioActivelx in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
Cool so you're fine with coercing people into work under threat of death, good to get that out in the open. Hope you have a further think about the principles you hold.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeb5ypm wrote
Reply to comment by mainthrowawaydmtits in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
Yup. There is little incentive for a proletarian in a capitalist system to actually maximise the value of their labour for the capitalist that owns the means of production to which they apply their labour. Their incentive is the same as the capitalist. To maximise their profits on the least amount of investment. It's just the proletarian's investment is their labour.
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Capitalism literally incentivises lazy but crafty workers, just as it incentivises lazy but crafty investors. At least if you own the value of your own labour, there's an incentive to work harder, if you value material gain.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeb5ck9 wrote
Reply to comment by Weazelfish in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
That's exactly what it is and thank you for the expression, I will now be using that.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_je1esug wrote
Reply to comment by xlRadioActivelx in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
Right, so your point is that it's fine for others to force you to exist without your consent, and if you're not happy with it you can just kill yourself, therefore it's all fine. I want you to be as clear as possible.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_je1elm9 wrote
Reply to comment by Achlyse in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
And whose exploiting you if you own the value of your labour? Who exploits the subsistence farmer?
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_je1c37q wrote
Reply to The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
That's capitalism baby, the people stating this as some immutable fact of life don't understand history or economics and you shouldn't take them seriously.
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We now live in a post scarcity society, we have enough for everyone, but some people aren't happy with enough and those people hold a disproportionate amount of power so we're stuck doing it their way.
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_je1bszz wrote
Reply to comment by Vic_Hedges in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM
>Why exactly would you think you are owed other people working to keep you alive?
Well obviously because it wasn't my decision to have a life in the first place. How is it fair to have existence foisted upon you by your parents, but they have no responsibility for the life they create?
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_j6wjv8w wrote
Reply to [Image] Life is something that one makes! by Takatake_
You can always tell that this type of shit was made by people whose worst day was their boss only kind of liked their work, because it's absolute dog shit made for the most mild of inconveniences
Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeg74tn wrote
Reply to comment by ilovemybrownies in What is known about pain enhancement? For instance, are there drugs that are the opposite of analgesics? If so, what are they and how do they work with neurons/neurotransmitters? by DollyPartWithOn
Well we already know of things that "heighten" pain in more mundane contexts like putting salt or antiseptic cream on a wound, but I don't know if the process is related/similar.