Of course, we're both adults after all.

Yeah I have to agree, I'm pro-union myself, but I think your right its clear at this point the police unions have simply gotten to powerful and their is to much to corruption. Their needs to be accountability, otherwise it defies the whole point of their existence.

Any serious reform of the police force, should also apply to them as well. Of course any investigation would have to come from a federal level, their probably the only one's with the pull to actually make an headway.

>They have been refusing to investigate a huge number of nonviolent crimes. They’ve slow walked large and small cases.

Well I've heard about cases, but I wasn't aware it was so widespread. I know you mean about attempting to cover up the fuckups though.

Honestly I think your solution is absolutely on the money. Those are probably the only solutions that would lead to some significant improvements.

I'd also be in favour of a national registry for all fired cops, and some restrictions upon Unions involvement in disciplinary matters.

If they implemented all those measures, I'm sure we'd see a noticeable improvement in the quality of the police and a sizable decrease in abuses.

>Police have been on a work stoppage since 2020. Crimes like this are a result.

Could you elaborate more? How have they stopped working? And how would they prevent this from occurring?

Looking it up, yeah it was Florida.

I had the same response, I mean damn none of its nice reading but it sounds like something out a horror movie. Him just going maniac on all those poor women whilst they slept.

Thank goodness it was also the end.

Ah yes, I just read about it. Five attacks, two deaths and three serious injuries. Utterly nightmarish.

Well I hope this turns out not to be anything along the same lines.

Really? Could you elaborate some more, I've know he abducted and killed a few pairs, but I don't recall him killing that many people in one sitting.

When did it happen?

Edit: Never mind I found it, it was the attack on FSU Sorority House, that left two dead and three injured.

Oh yeah he's one of the most notorious mass murderer. But he never committed another mass killing.

Granted he was quickly apprehended afterwards.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying it has never happened or it can't happen. Just that its extremely rare.

So hopefully their won't be more attacks, even if they don't catch whoever did this.

Serial killers traditionally don't kill multiple people in the same location, that would be a mass murderer.

And thankfully Serial mass murder is extremely rare.

The Aztec's once sacrificed over 80,000 people in the span of four days, to consecrate their pyramid.

They're methods of doing so ranged from ripping people's hearts out, to impaling them with arrows like a human pincushion deliberately non fatally so they would bleed out, to repeatedly dragging and throwing them onto a pyre.

Yeah they were worse than the Mayan's on that front.

>I do know they had to practice a fair deal of diplomacy there because they weren’t able to go into the interior w/o dying of disease.

Oh it goes back before the colonisation. Spain's history has been connected to the African Kingdom's back to Carthage. For a long period the Moors ruled Spain. When the Spanish took it back, they kept a large number of their trade routes running.

> I’m guessing one of the first things they did to the Natives was turn them into Christians.

Well somewhat. A lot of the conquistadors were honestly just in it for the money. A lot of natives did convert to the new religion, some by force, some by choice, some just to curry favour.

They likewise were careful to preserve elements of the priest hierarchy in areas they conquered, so they would convert the populace more easily. And expanded a large number of missionaries.

But those mostly came later, at the start a lot of it was just conquest and plunder.

Yeah the Mayan's could be utterly brutal. But they also had a wealthy culture that made many strides in their own right.

Really their aren't many civilisations that weren't cruel in someway at this point in history. The one's that weren't, generally get crushed and conquered by the one's that are.

At the very least the Mayan's were utterly loveable compared to what their neighbours the Aztec's got up on that front.

Ah right with you sorry.

Well at the time, I'm pretty sure the Spanish throne did have several strong trade routes with kingdoms as far as Central Africa and Greece, so yeah I imagine they're were some thoughts given to diplomacy with far off distant cultures.

I think the issue was in part they also already expected the powers to recognise their power, and didn't consider encountering a new world that had absolutely no idea they even existed.

>but I wonder if there were any guidelines the crown had given to Columbus and his men following first contact?

Well in the West Indies were he was made governor Columbus originally planned to sell the native's as slaves after discovering island wasn't as rich in gold as he hoped it would be. However, the monarch's of Spain decided that the natives were now their citizens and forbade it.

He then more or less ignored them, and carried on acting like a tyrant to the natives and the colonists, until he was forcibly dragged back to Spain and stripped of all his titles.

Really it probably wouldn't have mattered what they told him, it took a very long time for information to get to anyone with the authority to outrank him on those voyages, and most of the information sent back came from him.

Oh no, I know what there going for.

I'm just saying its an anachronism mockery. The Spanish Conquistadors were pretty open about the fact they were doing this for no higher purpose than they wanted to get rich, quite a lot of them stated off quite poor after all.

Cortez was basically declared a traitor by the Spanish Crown, refused orders to return home, attacked the army that was sent to bring him home in chains, and then bribed the officials with all the gold he'd stolen.

Yeah exactly. Plus not every area has the same wealth of resources. And often their just wasn't enough for everyone.

And then you take into seasonal shifts, leading to migrations into account, really your only option is invade someone else or starve to death.

>sharing their common love for Western values of civility, morality, freedom, and harmony.

This was the 16th century. People were quite honest they were here for land, slaves and gold in those days. It was exactly the same thing they had been doing at home for the last 1000 years.

They didn't try to find moral justifications until the 18th century.

Ah you mean cultural erasure, that sort of genocide. Yeah that's understandable, its certainly true the Spanish destroyed the native culture (or at least most of it, parts were adopted and continued but it was no longer dominant).

I understand genocide doesn't have to be 100% annihilation, but it does generally have to have the intent. Simply conquering and killing a lot of people doesn't meet the criteria of genocide.

>This is accomplished by kidnapping and indoctrination of a groups young people until they no longer remember or At least no longer practice the culture of their ancestors.

That's very true. But did the Spanish ever actually do that? They had forcible conversions certainly, and they had a lot of people who switched to get on with the new boss. But did they ever flat out take people's children to indoctrinate them into being raised to be Spanish?

Not saying they didn't you understand, but I've just never heard that bit of the colonisation.

>And I’d argue that the Mayan way of life no longer exist. Making this not only genocide. But a successful one.

I suppose that depends on how you define the "way of life", I mean on a day to day level the life of most Mayan people didn't change that much they just had to shift religions and had a new bunch who they had to pay taxes to.

Their are still over 9 million Mayan people living through Central America.

Ah I'm with you. Ah yes their are a lot of civilisations it would be fascinating to know more about. But realistically without any colonisation, a number of them would have collapsed all on their own.

Just to be clear is this really genocide? I mean the Spanish were ruthless conquers, but they weren't trying to kill the Mayan's they wanted to conquer and enslave them.

Did they really kill all Mayan's in Guatemala?

Eh its debatable. We might be a lot less diverse cause populations wouldn't migrate in such large numbers.

Well I have to admit I wasn't expecting that. Maybe he'll do the decent thing and concede defeat with dignity?

Its a long shot, but who knows stranger things have happened.

From what I've read Bolsonaro lost a lot of his popularity with the rank and file, meanwhile numerous senior general's don't like him either.

As such a military coup is probably not on the cards.

Eh, that doesn't really work in real life. If you force someone into a job they don't want, their just going to either slack off their responsibilities or be driven to apathy.

Its fine to want the job to be a good leader. Its just a question of wanting it for the right reasons and remembering them.

Its difficult to say, cause real life sociopathy is usually a lot less impressive than it is in the media.

The majority of real world sociopaths, whilst manipulative, aren't usually particularly intelligent, especially charming or successful. They often have poor impulse control and struggle to plan ahead.

I think the best example I ever saw was a one off antagonist from Waking the Dead. Whilst very dangerous, the guy was utterly consumed by ego and had no concept of perspective. He literally incapable of understanding other people existed outside their relation to him and only got so far cause his parents were still bailing him out into his thirties.