You were the one making a point, not me. You came here to say that “craft beer” can’t be made by a major corporate brewery. That statement isn’t correct as a matter of industry practice. That’s all. You’re the one bothered by that. Like, apparently you’re genuinely emotional about that.

> Everyone except you, internationally, has a defined accepted standard for what constitutes craft brewing but fuck all them.

I highly doubt that’s true considering your inability to parse internet opinions from legal statutes previously. I didn’t bother reading the journal article you sent because frankly who fucking cares. I’m certain Blue Moon is probably called a craft beer in Europe too even though it’s made by Coors. And also, just as a reminder, the world is more than just the US and Europe. I highly doubt Afghanistan has stringent regulation on brewing classifications, but maybe you’ll prove me wrong. But hey, being edgy about America is the classic Reddit pass time, so good on ya I guess.

A link to…what? The regulation you’re talking about doesn’t exist. Hence why the observable reality exists of major distributors selling beer under the label “craft”.

There are all sorts of regulations around classifications of breweries in the US and the amount of beer they can sell in a year without contracting under a distributor (who is federally certified for all manor or food safety regulations). The major distributors also have branch companies that produce certain “craft” brands and therefore are distributed in small enough quantity to be considered microbrews. But the reality is that small loopholes allow for “craft” to be largely meaningless.

Not sure how things are where you’re at, but in the US at this point actual microbreweries are everywhere. Every neighborhood in a major metro area will generally have at least one, and they all visibly make their beer on site in small batches. There’s a very clear difference between those breweries and the ones that sell their “craft” beer all over the country like Sierra Nevada, Blue Moon, etc. The styles and quality are not particularly different these days as they were in the past.

I’m not sure where your confusion is bud. You’re the one who initiated the conversation. Molson Coors and InBev are US companies, hence why US regulatory agencies are relevant to the discussion.

The “Brewers Association” is not a government entity. Their opinions hold no more weight over these companies and their business practices than you or me.

Many “craft” food items are still produced and distributed by major companies, they are just allowed to be called craft based on the original recipe or process used. Capitalism is disappointing sometimes, I know.

It looks like the general consensus on craft beer in the US is simply based on the number of barrels of that particular beer made annually. If they exceed a certain amount, it’s not craft anymore.

Uh…that’s correct, a private interest group does not make definitive decisions on the legal industry terminology. Maybe if you had quoted the FDA this would be a different discussion. If you’ve ever been to a bar in the last 20 years, you’ll know that beers sold under major parent labels are allowed to be called craft beer.

> An absolutely ludicrous position to hold, and a childishly self-centred one.

🤡

That is absolutely not the industry definition of craft beer. That is the definition of a microbrew.

The vast majority of beers marketed as craft today are brewed and distributed by one of the big corpos.

The British Empire, famously big fans of the Catholic Church /s

Literally every one of these beers is a lager, lol.

r/ConfidentlyIncorrect

Molson Coors (Miller and Coors) produces a ton of craft beer brands. InBev (Budweiser) produces even more.

Also, pre-prohibition America featured an enormous amount of small local breweries in every neighborhood that made beer which was more or less identical to the European styles that were most associated with that region of the country, usually English style ales or German lagers. The idea of mass produced corporate national beer brands is obviously fairly modern, and adjunct lagers are even more modern. The current US beer culture is actually a return to how things used to be.

Considering the vast majority of available American beer is now craft rather than mass-produced adjunct beer, I would still disagree with whatever is being considered “average”. Every other country has cheap piss beer too. In fact, most countries really only have their domestic piss beer and not much else. But I guess this is Reddit and America bad

Dunkel, Helles, Bock, Maibock, Doppelbock, Märzen, real European Pilsner, American Amber, etc etc. None of these taste like piss. Go to Germany and tell me the beer tastes like piss. Writing off basically half of the beer styles in existence is ultra pretentious IPA hipster energy.

Molson Coors makes an enormous list of beers including a ton of European imports and a ton of regional craft beers.

Neither does Coors Banquet

That’s nonsense. Lagers can be fantastic. I’m guessing you aren’t aware of how varied the style can be.

Altus Plateau

I’m not sure why every time this comes up there’s some need to blame the rest of the world for reacting to the nuclear meltdown. The Japanese government clearly saw it as a concern too, hence the evacuation.

That’s an Elden Ring weapon

Yeah people totally see China as a puppet huh

/s

Reminds of Caelid from Elden Ring

Utter cringe.

Did you just use racially charged language towards me….purely because you assumed that I am a racist…purely because you assumed that I am white?

You need help. You will not function in this world being so twisted inside. Anyone can comment on any country, all people have agency.

Please tell me you don’t think that tribal monarchies in Africa had no issues or corruption before European colonialism…POC are not magical fairy people incapable of wrongdoing

I literally already stated exactly what I meant, it’s the parent comment you replied to. Autonomous trucking is not human-agnostic, it utilizes telemetry instrumentation to automate the highway portion of the drive, which for much of the country means the majority of logistics becomes automated. But people should remember that trucks also deliver to dense urban cores, and navigate city streets and often deliver to warehouses that aren’t owned by massive multi-national corporations with the ability to just modernize on the fly. Most warehouses are fairly hectic places.

The most likely outcome is that long-haul OTR trucking becomes largely automated, with a human or tug that navigates the first and last portions of the drive and parking. But the delivered goods will then still likely be delivered by all manor of human driven day cabs and box trucks, because that is what makes logical sense for navigating delivery to individual destination sites.

It never ceases to amaze me how people actually get legitimately angry and cagey whenever someone suggests that some form of innovation has nuance and isn’t exactly to the degree that r/Futurology wants you think, as if I’m personally trying to hold the world back or something. Lol.

But go off I guess 😅🥴

Sure, a change is coming. The nature of that change is probably different from what you and others are thinking.

And you know this purely based on your own feelings, or you actually work in logistics?

> Now automate the warehouses and give people freedom.

As in…the freedom to find another job?