Right. “Provided it’s clear and…” that part is usually missing.

Ah. I see the straw men have entered the conversation. How very productive and mature.

Please my dudebro, by all means, take this energy and apply it to the people that pass cars when it’s not a passing lane. Apply it to the people that carelessly drift out of their lanes. Apply to the situations that are actual issues on our roads.

aCtUaLLy if you are stopped at the stop sign when meemaw waves you through you are not technically driving in that moment. You’re just sitting still in potential missile.

Hey man, I get it. Old folks annoy me sometime too. But let’s have a little respect for them, huh? Meemaw has been through enough in this life without people being jerks about her being kind when she “isn’t supposed to.”

If everyone is coming to a complete stop at the stop sign and being aware of what other drivers are doing, no one is dying from any accident that could result from this situation. Give me a break. The extreme worst case scenario is a very minor fender bender.

We are discussing a situation that everyone is supposedly starting from a complete stop. When it's your turn, do you floor it? Do you have a vehicle that can go from 0-60 by the time it takes to clear the stop sign? This is silly.

Also, the rules have changed since the old couple down the road got their license. So maybe take some deep breaths and be nice to your neighbors even when they don't do what "they are supposed to." That way, maybe everyone else will be nice to your loved ones when they are out and about and maybe don't know the rules. Of all the actual issues we need address regarding road safety, being waved through an intersection out of turn isn't one of them.

Ah yes, because encouraging kindness (even while being admittedly sarcastic) equates to raging. You ok?

Honestly though, the issue is the people that are mad about people being kind. On VT roads of all places. Double sheesh. Shit, that might even be a mega sheesh.

Edit: to remove "bro." I took a look at your username and realized I might be mis-gendering you. My apologies for that. Everything else stands though.

Ok. I'm happy that has been established. Lovely. Yet over here in reality waving someone through out of turn at a four way is not an actual societal issue nor a cause of many accidents. It's just something that annoys you and OP because you have control issues and it bothers you when people don't do "what they are supposed to." That's the vibe you are all giving off, anyway.

The majority of accidents are caused by impatient careless schmucks that got needlessly overly annoyed by someone else on the road and and are now tantruming about it in some way. So maybe calm down and give a friendly wave to the "MASSIVE JERK" who didn't know the rules and move on with life. You might have an argument in highly populated areas, but that ain't VT my friend. You and the 3 other people at the four-way can figure it out even if there weren't any rules.

Everyone's all "In Vermont you do what you want" until someone's grandma waves them through a four-way out of turn. Sheesh.

Oh no!! Someone did a kindness at an inappropriate time on our very quiet VT roads that never have actual traffic. Whatever will we do?! I mean, they waved you through and now it's going to take the person behind them ten more seconds to get to their destination. The horror!! To Reddit! We must get the word out! A rule has been broken with an attempt at kindness, nooooooooooooooooooo!!!

The rules of the road say you don't have to let someone merge into your lane, yet if someone puts on their blinker most of us do because we aren't assholes. It also helps keep traffic moving for all. Kindness very much has a place everywhere and if you think it doesn't I strongly recommend some self reflection.

And yes, my god, here in VT we can share a little kindness with our fellow road dogs. This sub constantly complains about the shitty attitudes and behaviors from out of staters yet here you numnuts are arguing in favor of being an asshole to people on our very calm, uncongested VT roads. Give a smile and a wave to the person who waved you through. Don't tailgate the slowpoke. Accept that the world doesn't revolve around you and your wants.

And yeah man, I'll also encourage the slow pokes to be kind. You see a line of cars behind you and there's a pull off up ahead. Go ahead and take a little pit stop and let the other folks go by. Is this another form of kindness that has no place in traffic?

You know, when we are all on foot walking around we seem to understand being polite is a good thing. We hold doors for people. We say lovely things like “after you” and then willingly walk a little slower behind the elderly person. For some reason when some of you get into a vehicle you lose all sense of humanity. You tailgate grandma, pass her at dangerous times, and curse and her name when she waves you through the four-way. Listen bros, I want to be doing ten over the limit as well, but grandma is out for a drive and I have enough respect to not terrorize her. She’s been through enough.

I even see it reflected in the comments on this thread. Here’s the thing, you all need to slow the hell down and take some deep breaths on the road. Our roads are getting more dangerous nationwide. No matter how much you vent about it on Reddit, people still aren’t going to know all of the rules. And many people who do know all of the rules will still choose to be kind and say “after you” at the four-way, or they may go the other way and tear through without stopping. So the rest of us need to expect that. Lead with kindness. Show the person showing you kindness some back, and if someone’s kindness annoys you because “the rules” then maybe reflect on that.

The issue on our roads is the assholes not stopping at the stop sign, not the friendly neighbor who waved you through even though it was technically wasn’t their turn. And if you’re behind the the person that skipped their turn, you’ll survive. Let’s all pull up our big kid britches and lead with kindness, even when we feel someone else has dropped the kindness ball.

Truck bro on 91 last Sunday had chunks of snow and ice flying off the back. I flashed him thinking he might look out the back and see it. He proceeded to slow down, get behind me, and follow me while occasionally flashing his lights for about 45 minutes before he got bored and got off the highway.

Anyway, we need better mental health resources in Vt 🤷‍♂️

If this triggers you, you might be racist. And by “might,” I mean you are definitely a racist snowflake.

One tends to lead to the other, unfortunately.

Maxim had words?

Of course. As long as you're not hurting anyone, you do you.

Also; sharing is caring.

bruh... If you believe this, I've got a bridge for sale.

Same. Zero complaints.

No no, you make a great and important point. Don’t tell anyone in this sub, but I actually split my time between VT and CT. I have an apartment in a smaller town near New Haven. I rarely, almost never see pride or BLM stuff down there. Pride more, but still not much. Then you hit a small rural town up here and it can seem like every other house has something on display. It is only comforting for me because I’m very aware of the reality underneath that welcoming veneer. I do also see far more Trump flags and stuff in VT. Hell, there’s one house along route 4 by Killington flying a confederate flag. Imagine being a Vermonter and flying that shit… believe me, I’m very aware what the message under the “real Vermonter” dog whistle discourse is about. I’m from there and they’ve been telling me I’m not a real Vermonter my entire life 🤷‍♂️ so, please know my prior message was not intended to suggest safety, but the presence of community within an often ignorant and hateful society.

I mean, worst case scenario? Landowners with their own guns.

It’s the American dream.

Please read MLK's Letter From Birmingham Jail again.

Your assessment is spot on, but please recognize this is the case everywhere, not just VT. The poor and working class don't really have actual representation in any of our state governments. Which means it is all working as intended.

VT is an amazing and wonderful place, but despite it's reputation as a liberal utopia, it is anything but. There is an extreme amount of racism, homophobia, and ignorance in general in this state. You will also find the same ineffectual politics you find everywhere. We get a lot right, but you will be left scratching your head quite a bit as well.

That all said, VT is also a place where more folks feel more comfortable speaking up against those things than in other places I've lived (I'm from VT but have lived all over the country including a number of major cities). I spend a lot of time in CT, MA, and NY and you see way more homes and businesses in VT flying pride flags or BLM flags than our neighbors these days.

VT gets away with maintaining it's reputation simply because there is a serious lack of diversity here. I can't find it now, but I read a great article in the last year or two that I thought was titled "Vermont Lies." If you can track that down it has some good outside perspective on VT society from a woman of color that moved here and had to leave. I believe that same article shared the story of an Asian woman who grew up here but chose to leave as an adult because she doesn't want her kids being exposed to the racism she experienced here. There is also a great little PBS doc called I'm From Here that looks at the issue of race through the lens of kids in VT.

Like I said, VT is a great place, but I recommend doing a lot of research and at least one visit to drive around the state a bit. Your experience of VT can be wildly different even from one small town to another. You kind of have to find a spot that jives with you and your family.

She might also be referring to the fact that even though we are known as a "liberal-leaning" state, that that's not entirely true. It's easy to hide all the racism and homophobia when you live in one of the least diverse states. Either way, Traditional_Lab had it right. Without knowing them or the nurse, we have no way of knowing what she meant.

Agreed on all counts and you have this situation pegged fairly, I’d say. I also happen to be an artist and graphic designer by trade and agree that AI art could absolutely be an amazing tool for artists. We happen to love reference material and those things can spit out some gnarly reference material. It can also be an amazing tool for getting some luls and likes on social media. The issue is that corpos might start using it instead of hiring human beings like me. I’m one of the lucky ones with a fairly secure position in my field, but I know a lot of artists that are very not ok with the new advances in AI art software and are growing concerned for the future.

Someone used an AI program to make the “god” of each state. Looks like someone is doing villains now. Please be careful what you say about the AI software in case they are listening (they are).