Whattaboutthecosmos

Whattaboutthecosmos t1_irapd7i wrote

Yes, I presume you are correct. Though, any person with a computer and internet now has access. This includes above average people (however you wish to define above-average). Also, an average person may partake in the activities you listed on 99% of the days of their lives. But they may find a few days in their life to produce something worthwhile. This could be something as big as defying mortality or writing a meaningful blog post that could be accessed by millions and nudge discourse in a new direction. Even deciding to upvote or downvote something could have a micro-impact.

side-note: (*This is just free thinking) I find it interesting that you call them "internet consumer"s, as I see interacting with the internet as a sort of communication. A user that is going to sites such as youtube, netflix, etc. is still communicating with the internet by giving prompts to go to those sites. I couldn't consume the internet the same way I couldn't consume a person just by interacting with them.

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Whattaboutthecosmos t1_iraj8et wrote

After reading this, a thought popped into my head; Although there is certainly a disparity in the data/intelligence google has vs the person in the basement, the person in the basement still has a lot of potential with only the information that is available free online. Even if this disparity always exists, the person in the basement will also still be able to progress their data/intelligence as time goes on exponentially just as google is able to.

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Whattaboutthecosmos t1_ir7fi2m wrote

I'm going to break this down a little to try to keep my thoughts coherent:

>What do you plan to contribute to civilization when given the privilege to keep drawing from global and intergalactic resource pools?

For my primary goal, I would like to work to make sure that everything has access to as many possibilities as they like. Secondarily, I would also like to enjoy experiencing those possibilities myself.

> That's a lot of transparency you'll have to have there, are you ready for that sort of responsibility?
Transparency in what way? Could you elaborate? Given that I am willing to die to achieve my primary goal, I would say that I am ready for any responsibility. But to be honest, I'm not entirely sure.

>There will be many that will advocate for me and others to continue living or to >extend our lives, I'm sure that there may even be an accord that will try to legally >force us to stay alive and continue our life's work past what would be healthy for >us.

This makes sense to me.

> Immortality isn't a toy, except to the powerful who are paying for it to be used >against you.
I don't see how you got to this conclusion. I believe we can agree that we are both alive right now. I believe we can also agree that we don't want to die right now. I think that powerful people are already using their existence to exploit us. I believe I still want to continue living right now despite that. I suppose I will ask you a question: When do you want to die? And will you hold yourself to that date and time?

>Tell me again why you are so valuable and deserve to live longer than others? To use resources, and create waste...

I am valuable because I value myself.

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Whattaboutthecosmos t1_ir6t26u wrote

>an endeavor of the insipid and afraid.

Which endeavor would that be? I ask because a lot of people visualize this 'immortality' coming to fruition in many different ways.

For me, I endeavor to live as long as I would like. To reach this goal, I attempt to make logical choices that would lengthen my life, such as eating healthy, working out, avoiding mortal danger/risky behaviors, etc..

Now, I got MRSA a while back. MRSA, being a bacterial infection resistant to many common antibiotics, would have killed me if I did not receive expert medical treatment in the form of a strong antibiotic. I think we can agree that one of the main goals of this antibiotic is increase the lifetime of those that would take it as prescribed. Let me know if we can't.

Now, by making the conscious decision to take the antibiotic, I have now used the knowledge and intelligence that lead to pharmacological research that lead to the creation of that antibiotic. I used it and I increased the length of my life.

I agree that I decided to take the antibiotic because I was afraid to die. But I could also say that I took it because I was eager to see what else I could experience in my now-extended life. Regardless, I would think that anyone who has not yet commited suicide (or actively wanted to die) would also wish to take the life-saving drug.

Another very short hypothetical: A man sees a piano falling from the sky and will land on them. They move out of the way. That man made a decision that will extend their life.

As I grow older and, let's say, my liver is starting to deteriorate, I may be interested in a future medical procedure that would slow or cease the deterioration. That medical procedure may have been discovered with the assistance of AI. That AI consists of the intelligence/knowledge of those that created it.

Perhaps, as time goes on, the cumulation of human intelligence/knowledge will lead to future medical procedures that will lead to me being able to exist for 100 years, 500 years, 1,000,000 years... I would not be forced to die.

Throughout this time, I would still be able to die by many means. I am not forced to live.

On risk, I would hope that I would not be in a position where someone could exploit my longevity to create some sort of torture that I would have to endure for an indeterminate period of time and make me wish that I was dead instead of enduring. That exploit would need to be addressed.

Anyway, because I need to wrap this up and do other work, I propose that my current end goal would be to ensure that I am always allowed the choice of being dead or alive at any given time. Of course, my goal may change due to new information.

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