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capitocoto t1_itdw3rj wrote

Where are you getting that information?

Because there is no where in the article that you linked where it says no student was misgendered. It says the superintendent declined to give comment about the case.

Declining to give comment =/= no student got misgendered.

This article states he was suspended because he refused to comply with his employer’s policy

Btw I am greatly amused that you have changed both tactics and goal posts. Your first argument was that this was a First Amendment issue and no one can compel this man’s speech. Now you have abandoned it and your new argument is that because no student was harmed, it shouldn’t be a problem.

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capitocoto t1_itdf1np wrote

And the state isn’t compelling speech.

If a call center operator decides that he is going to call you Mrs Doubtfire for the entire call, he will be fired. Starbucks employees have been fired for the names they put on a cup.

Employees can be and have been fired for being disrespectful to clients. It can be one of the hardest parts of customer service jobs and any client facing jobs.

It is disrespectful and injurious to misgender a person.

The school has made the decision that if an employee (teacher) misgenders a client (student), that is an offense that can lead to firing.

I am part of compliance in a call center as a hat I wear professionally. If I monitored an employee who was consistently misgendering one of our clients, I would report that. It wouldn’t be my business what happens to them afterward, but it could definitely be a factor that leads to them being fired.

This is not a constitutional issue.

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capitocoto t1_itd090o wrote

And a school having a policy about pronouns has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

It’s an institution that is allowed to have rules and guidelines about speech used by its employees and representatives. In this case, they must respect individual’s pronouns.

Your comment is akin to the people who shout angrily about their constitutional rights when they get put in Facebook jail or banned from Twitter.

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capitocoto t1_itbv99z wrote

I mean, within the trans community neopronouns are sometimes contentious. Not in the “don’t use them, they are an abomination” way that you see on with the Alt-Right, but in the “we are still in a deep conversation about what they convey and how they can be used appropriately.”

As a rare function, i can imagine that some places might avoid their use as a way to avoid misuse. I am trans and I am often unsure how to decline vaer or fae. I also have concerns that when I vocalize them (vs typing) I cannot hear a distinct difference between they, xe, ze, fae, and vie. So it always feels like I am saying they even when I am trying not to.

Neopronouns, I think, are still in a stage of growing pains.

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capitocoto t1_itbfnbv wrote

Neopronouns are functionally rare.

My office has a lot of trans folks and many nonbinary. We have… two? People who use neopronouns and both also use they.

I am trans and I have a social circle that has a lot of other trans people including a lot of nonbinary people and none of them use neopronouns.

They exist. But they are rare.

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capitocoto t1_it9y6n8 wrote

Which Biblical concept of gender?

If you are referring to complementarianism, that’s from 1987. It’s younger than me and younger than you, probably. I wouldn’t call that Biblical when it’s only 35 years old.

In the era when the New Testament was written, there was only one gender. Women were an aberration of men. If that’s what you want, I don’t think the current white evangelical American genders are going to work for you.

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capitocoto t1_it9d1pp wrote

Wow. Literally all of your comments are racist or anti-queer. Like. All of them.

You don’t have a normal thought in your head. It’s just hatred of non-whites and queers. That’s it.

I have been aware that people like you exist for a long time. My mother is one of you. But damn, it’s always a little terrifying when you encounter a human who has chosen to become the personification of hatred.

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capitocoto t1_it934h5 wrote

Your Majesty is a form of address generally reserved for royalty when not being used sarcastically. It is not a pronoun.

Pronouns are nouns we substitute for other nouns: usually one like he, she, it, they, and their declensions. The student in question uses they pronouns. Both Chaucer and Shakespeare used a singular they so if you try the “that’s always plural” you will only further demonstrate the failure of English education in this state.

Your Majesty is a form of formal address, usually reserved for a monarch above the rank of prince.

Congrats! You are transphobic and don’t understand English grammar!

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capitocoto t1_it8vjti wrote

Even if we wanted to pretend that referring to someone by the right pronouns was remotely similar to demanding to be treated as royalty, where in the Bible or Christian theology does it say that is a violation of the faith?

It is my understanding that the crown heads of Europe are almost all, if not all, entirely Christian. King Charles of the United Kingdom, His Majesty, is even the head of the Anglican Church.

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capitocoto t1_it87edo wrote

I wish someone could explain to me how “please use the correct word to refer to me” violates a religious belief.

I was raised Christian. I was Christian for years. Nowhere in the Bible does it say, “These pronouns are the only ones allowed and they are assigned this way.” (Given that none of the books were originally written in English that’s good. I don’t want to learn Greek or Aramaic.) and as for names, Jesus is the one who names Peter, when they are both adults. The Godspeed support adult name changes.

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