davtruss

davtruss t1_j1mw3om wrote

Most of what you say is how the world viewed the situation. I posted before reading what you said but after being warned about the 20 year rule. I do think that fighting Iraq to a bloody stalemate during the eight year war solidified Khomeini's autocratic rule.

I don't presume to know how Iranians felt at the time of the 79 IR.

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davtruss t1_j1mvd1x wrote

Even though the hostage crisis that coincided with the IR was daily news in the U.S. until the hostages were finally released just before Reagan's inauguration, very few Americans paid much attention to the war between Iran and Iraq from 1980-1988. Your point about that solidifying the IR is spot on because Saddam was also viewed as a secular American political puppet, not to mention Sunni Arab.

The death toll varies, but it is agreed to be somewhere between 1 million and 2 million, with Iran getting the worst of it. Iran countered Saddam's superior military with human wave tactics by soldiers as young as 15.

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davtruss t1_j1mtxt6 wrote

As somebody who remembers how "Day 1" of the U.S. Embassy Hostage Crisis turned into Nightline, and who studied Iraqi/Iranian relations in the 1980s, I am in no position to tell you what the Iranian people "wanted" at the time of the revolution.

If you read the Wikipedia article about the Shah's nearly four decade reign, you might ask yourself, how did this guy fall to popular unrest? I'm pretty sure that the reforms he implemented economically, politically, and , militarily made Persian Iran stronger in all three respects.

The problem involved the sharing of the wealth and his handling of dissent. There are prisons still used today that the Shah used to jail political prisoners and his suppression of dissent was often brutal. But once you open yourself up for examination by the world, the world frowns upon brutal suppression of dissent. And the Shah's political enemies characterized him as a U.S. puppet on the world stage.

So, I don't think those who benefited from the Shah's reforms wanted a brutal, autocratic, extremist version of Sharia law to replace the good parts about the Shah's reforms. But one of the political benefits of a top down closed society is that it is resistant to world condemnation. The combination of religious fervor and economic deprivation focused like a laser beam on the the Shah's alleged political masters in Washington.

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davtruss t1_j05d9jm wrote

This sounds far too romantic. If you have a good sized chicken run with say 25-50 chickens, too many roosters can result in the hens having no feathers on their backs where the roosters hang on. And you don't even want to know what a gang of roosters does to the weakling roosters.

This is why the life cycle of the rooster should include the stew pot or frying pan.

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davtruss t1_iyce2gc wrote

I'm immediately reminded of philosophical and religious traditions that suggest our time on earth dictates the possibility that we could be punished by reincarnation into a lower animal life form. But all I see in this picture is "I'm Salvador freaking Dali's anteater, and I'm taking bids on an exclusive book deal."

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davtruss t1_iwnw1fs wrote

I was just thinking in terms of first man, first woman. Surely there was enlightened "first" who not only became self aware, but also aware of something bigger than himself or herself. I don't know that the obvious evidence of cultural advancement would have instantly flowed freely. Heck, many may have thought such a person was crazy.

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davtruss t1_iwmk6qa wrote

I'm determined to enjoy this entire article, but I see this type of thing on reddit all the time, and that's the notion that what academics call "modernity" in terms of agriculture, tool use, abstract thinking, and singing/dancing, is somehow related to the emergence of conscience and the metaphorical concept of Adam and Eve.

I'm pretty sure that the appreciation of God by some occurred long before what we would more accurately describe as culture.

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davtruss t1_iwmijyo wrote

I'm about to read the article, but your comment about the religious elite and King Hezekiah made me think of the notion that much of what was recorded for that time and times many centuries and millennia before, was a reflection of the scholarly assembly and authorship of these materials during the Babylonian exile in the 6th century BCE.

The idea I've seen proposed was that the wealthy and elite in exile were presented with an opportunity to recover their heritage and homeland if they demonstrated they had a heritage/ Does this sound right?

I've always accepted that to mean that anything passed on or shared prior to that time was strictly an oral tradition.

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