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hmiamid OP t1_iribryz wrote
Reply to comment by julietOscarEch0 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
The point is how fast the curve drops from low mortgage rates to high ones. This in turn drives the house prices down because of lower purchasing power. And that's for everyone. It won't be half though because every buyer is not a new buyer. Remortgaging is in some countries (like the UK) a necessity too as they are mostly 5 yr fixed then go to SVR. Of course if you lock a 30yr low rate, you don't care about all this. But it's not the case of everyone and some countries will be more affected than others.
hmiamid OP t1_irib5n2 wrote
Reply to comment by masher_oz in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
It's an arbitrary unit. Multiply by what you like. 2000/month means you multiply the y axis by 2.
hmiamid OP t1_iria0vi wrote
Reply to comment by julietOscarEch0 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
If you go and apply for a mortgage on a new house, they look at your current income. Maybe you'll be able to pay more later but it's not the point here. If rates rise from 1% to 7%, and you got the OK from the broker for a 311k mortgage a few months ago, now you can only be accepted for an 150k ish one.
hmiamid OP t1_irhuiwy wrote
Reply to comment by ApprehensiveSorbet76 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Which happened in 2008 with adjustable rate mortgages. In the UK, practically every mortgage is variable rate.
hmiamid OP t1_irgl5ov wrote
Reply to comment by coke_and_coffee in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Or save money by stopping eating avocado toasts.
hmiamid OP t1_irgksfl wrote
Reply to comment by pivantun in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
In terms of abstract maths, it's called a limit towards infinity. We can never realistically create an infinite interest rate, but if we do, we pay 1000/month to own nothing after 30 years (or any amount of time for that matter). The principal is simply 0. I mean the original question I think was more of a mathematical curiosity than anything realistic.
hmiamid OP t1_irgjtfu wrote
Reply to comment by starburst383 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Sorry, I am not familiar with property taxes. I'm not in the US. But it looks like it's variable in time and place. And it's not compounded and wouldn't change with interest rate (at least not directly).
hmiamid OP t1_irgj20r wrote
Reply to comment by rainpizza in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Sure. Formula is (1-q^-N )/(q^(1/12)-1) where q is 1+r, r is the interest rate and N is the mortgage term in years. Make sure to put r without a percentage. So f.ex. for 5%, r = 0.05 and therefore q = 1.05. The 1/12 is because we pay every month.
hmiamid OP t1_irgifq7 wrote
Reply to comment by olioli86 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Yep. Warren Buffet said interest rate is like gravity. It brings price to a more "down to earth" value. Low interest rates makes prices "float" too high.
hmiamid OP t1_irghthn wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
It's not a logarithm. Formula is (1-q^-N )/(q^(1/12)-1) where q is 1+r, r is the interest rate and N is the mortgage term in years.
hmiamid OP t1_irgh9w7 wrote
Reply to comment by Doctor_Kat in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
That's why the house prices in the 70-80s (around that time) were so low. We were actually better off a few years ago than in the past if we're looking at total mortgage payments in terms of years of median income.
hmiamid OP t1_irgglix wrote
Reply to comment by ChetThundercott in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Yes also feel free to multiply by the amount you want. If you're thinking 2000/month just double the y axis. Relation between house price and monthly payment is proportional.
hmiamid OP t1_irg51qj wrote
Reply to comment by squeevey in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Interesting (no pun intended). I suppose we pay more downpayment at a high interest rate. Can we actually afford to save more in a high interest rate environment to prepare for a downpayment?
hmiamid OP t1_irg4ih8 wrote
Reply to comment by pookiedookie232 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Good question, I don't think it ever does. As interest rate goes to infinity, you basically never pay back your capital, so you will never own any house. The curve tends towards y = 0.
hmiamid OP t1_irg3zy9 wrote
Reply to comment by Awkward_Ostrich_4275 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
So sorry about that. I played a bit with the numbers and forgot to change. I put the original parameters. So yes. It goes down a lot more.
hmiamid OP t1_irfxglg wrote
Reply to comment by burn-it-all- in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
There you go up to 20%.
hmiamid OP t1_irfso80 wrote
Reply to [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid
Data source is only maths. Compound interest formula. Tool used is LibreOffice Calc.
This data shows what house price you can afford for a given interest rate supposing you pay 1000/month for 30 years on the mortgage.
So the idea here is, people on average when they start a mortgage, always pay a given amount per month to their mortgage (usually a third of their income f.ex.). And this is the same whether the interest rate is low or high.
For the demand to meet the offer (1000/month example), the price of houses fall. I wouldn't generally say that drastically like in this graph but this is the trend.
From 1% to 7%, the price is practically halved.
Edit: 7% instead of 6%.
Edit: a few pointed out that 1000/month isn't really how much most people pay. It is an arbitrary unit. If you are considering 2000/month, just double the y axis. Relation between house price and monthly payment is proportional.
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hmiamid OP t1_irihdpf wrote
Reply to comment by julietOscarEch0 in [OC] House price you can afford by paying 1000/month for 30 years vs. interest rate by hmiamid