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lorepieri t1_j1zniuo wrote
Reply to comment by valdanylchuk in [D] DeepMind has at least half a dozen prototypes for abstract/symbolic reasoning. What are their approaches? by valdanylchuk
Exactly, it's not just a matter of software architecture, but also of preexisting optimised libraries, hardware acceleration, economic incentives, funding. Very hard to predict how it will end up.
lorepieri t1_j1z4zp5 wrote
Reply to [D] DeepMind has at least half a dozen prototypes for abstract/symbolic reasoning. What are their approaches? by valdanylchuk
Some thoughts and then some references to neuro-symbolic approaches:
The reality is that AGI has become (always been?) an engineering problem [For intellectual honesty: this is not consensus, e.g. among neuroscientists. See comments below]. Many times in the past we have seen less theoretically scalable methods outperform more principles ones, so nobody can predict which one will win in the short term. LLMs are promising since they can leverage all the hardware acceleration and the pre-existing work of different fields (NLP, Computer Vision, RL). So it may very well be that DL will be enough to achieve great results and more investment and optimisation will pile-in, making symbolic approaches comparatively less attractive to fund in the short term.
Who knows, maybe the right symbolic architecture has already been proposed 20-30 years ago and nobody took the effort to put into a modern GPU accelerated codebase.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.05876 Neurosymbolic AI: The 3rd Wave
https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.05330 Neuro-Symbolic Artificial Intelligence: Current Trends
https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.00388 A Survey on Knowledge Graphs: Representation, Acquisition and Applications
lorepieri t1_j0d05dr wrote
Reply to comment by shanoshamanizum in How will the transition between scarcity-based economics and post-scarcity based economics happen? by asschaos
Both are happening, but dangerous jobs automation get less news coverage.
lorepieri t1_izf7aqk wrote
Reply to How will the transition between scarcity-based economics and post-scarcity based economics happen? by asschaos
As other commenters said, it is very likely to be painful, since politicians needs votes to be elected and this is associated to creating (bullshit) jobs.
Here's a proposal to handle the transition and soften the blow coming from automation: https://lorenzopieri.com/post_scarcity/
lorepieri t1_ixeamkt wrote
Reply to comment by Mortal-Region in Expert Proposes a Method For Telling if We All Live in a Computer Program by garden_frog
It is also called Simplicity Assumption, see here: The Simplicity Assumption and Some Implications of the Simulation Argument for our Civilization, https://philpapers.org/rec/PIETSA-6
lorepieri OP t1_irto4l9 wrote
Reply to comment by purple_hamster66 in Introducing the Basic Post-scarcity Map by lorepieri
All true, but if automation of the work activities becomes straightforward, it's a very unstable situation which can collapse to post-scarcity at any time. And it's enough for one state to do it to create a domino effect. So it's enough to have a single country revolting, a single new election, a carismatic leader. All in all, over the long term, I see this as highly likely.
lorepieri OP t1_irsku5j wrote
Reply to comment by OsakaWilson in Introducing the Basic Post-scarcity Map by lorepieri
What if capitalism continues, but applies only to luxury and the higher levels of the Maslow's hierarchy of needs? It's very likely that the majority of people will not satisfied just with the basics.
lorepieri OP t1_irsikeu wrote
Reply to comment by OsakaWilson in Introducing the Basic Post-scarcity Map by lorepieri
>Fully Automated Luxury Communism
Yes, even though I believe it to be a bit overkill. We don't need that level of tech advancement to reach basic post scarcity. No need for asteroid mining, AGI, self-replicating machines, breaktroughts in biotech or related.
lorepieri OP t1_irshwwy wrote
Reply to comment by CoachAny in Introducing the Basic Post-scarcity Map by lorepieri
OMG, you are right. Closing the project right now. :)
lorepieri OP t1_irshrdk wrote
Reply to comment by frenetickticktick in Introducing the Basic Post-scarcity Map by lorepieri
We better not to keep using oil :)
lorepieri OP t1_irs7e6g wrote
Reply to comment by genshiryoku in Introducing the Basic Post-scarcity Map by lorepieri
You are probably right. The scope of this project is only to look at the tech side. It will not be the end of story, as political change is needed. But once the tech evidence is there and clearly mapped by an open source project, it will be easier to motivate people to make further steps.
lorepieri OP t1_irs6te1 wrote
Reply to comment by ada201 in Introducing the Basic Post-scarcity Map by lorepieri
The goal of the project is basically estimating how much tech development is needed. Yea, you may say that the statement is a bit optimistic, but is based on the belief that we need advancement in robotic and AI, but nothing as crazy as AGI.
See also here for some background on the optimism: https://lorenzopieri.com/post_scarcity/
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lorepieri t1_j23iett wrote
Reply to comment by master3243 in [D] DeepMind has at least half a dozen prototypes for abstract/symbolic reasoning. What are their approaches? by valdanylchuk
You are correct, edited to clarify that this is not consensus.