Ah, okay that makes sense and matches my own experience. If I'm making narrow filters I'll usually start with 12+db and sweep the FR with it to pin point what I want to address.

I'll need to look into phase cancellations as I keep seeing that term come up a lot lately.

Thanks!

What kind of issues can you run into with narrow peaks/dips?

Well someone just posted news of an Audeze MM-100 coming out soon for $399. If it's anything like the MM-500 it's bound to be great, and Audezes are built like tanks.

Easiest way in my experience has been r/AVexchange.

I've had two pairs and one issue (on the expensive one -_-)

No problem!

Hey, right now I'm using the stock DT 1990 Foam, but only because they become sibilant with the Dekoni Elite Velours. If you find the stock 770 pads sibilant, I'd recommend trying the DIYAudioHeaven Paper Towel Mod. It's exactly what it sounds like, just cut out a circle of paper towel and stick it between the driver and the stock 770 Foam.

Paper towel is more precise than the foam because it's less drastic of a change, and you can add as much paper towel as you need until you find the sound you're looking for. It doesn't affect anything noticeably except for the peak in my experience.

You know how with the stock pads it can sound a little grainy? You'd be surprised how much detail they can put out just by switching the pads. Clarity goes through the roof. It does change the tonality though making it a bit flatter but still retains most of its soundstage and imaging capabilities.

Also got my 660S about that long ago, it came with the nice box.

IMO the 1770 has good bass, especially with the leatherette pads. It also takes well to EQ if even more is needed.

Equalizer APO*

Right?

When I say what aspects of the frequency response, I mean what distinctive features may cause us to experience a heightened sense of detail compared to others.

This was my experience trying the 6xx coming from an Arya Stealth. At first, I couldn't stand listening to them due to their small soundstage, but after a couple of days I got used to it and was able to appreciate them for what they were. Eventually, I couldn't throw the Aryas back on; it turned out I much preferred the Sennheiser tonality over the Arya's. For my music preferences (music with vocals essentially), the 6xx was a much better match.

I did prefer listening to instrumental music through the Hifimans, but I realized I only listened to those genres as much as I did because I had the them. Once I got the 6xx, instrumentals became again a small portion of my listening time, and thus I could no longer justify keeping the Arya and I returned them.

OP, as someone who upgraded from the Sundara to the Arya, only to return the latter, I'd say there's no need to upgrade at all! Yes there are headphones that have better technicalities out there, but over time a lot of us find that tonality is more important - and the Sundara has a great tonality imo.

Higher end cans are still lots of fun to try, so I'm not discouraging you from trying them, but if you're already enjoying your music tons with the Sundara, well isnt that essentially what people are looking for in upgrades? And you've already got it.

I'd say Sennheisers are great complementary cans to the Sundara; I'd recommend the 6xx or 650 (whichever is cheaper or looks better to you, sound wise they are essentially the same), or a 660S. Having variation keeps things exciting.

I don't appreciate you all capping at me, first of all, homie.

Which terms used to differentiate headphones have a clear and precise definition?

Edit: Before you try to derail the conversation further, I mean in terms of sound.

You know, I resent snake oil as much as the next guy, but in my opinion this statement is going too far. Detail is as much a made up term as any other descriptor we have to talk about our hobby. We may not know yet what aspects of a frequency response to attribute to this quality, but we can still experience it, and we need to be able to talk about it without the need to shout boogeyman.

OP: states his perfectly reasonable opinion

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I wouldn't call them misinformed considering they've listened to both the Sundara and 660S. The 660S stands out from the rest of the 6x0 lineup as it has a good (read: wider) soundstage and decent imaging.

I haven't listened to a Sundara in a while but if my memory serves me well, I'd call the mid range on the 660 crispier (vocals sounding muted and lack of slam were the reasons I upgraded). Depending on what you listen to, I could see how someone could come to that conclusion.

Imagine gatekeeping soundstage. It's not a hard leap to make - there is sound and there is a variable width (stage) depending on the headphone. Is it a 1:1 experience compared to speakers? No, but in the context of headphones it makes sense to me.

I was just here to echo this sentiment. I've never really been impressed by speaker soundstage, or speaker anything to be frank (at least in comparison to headphones); even listening to a 90k Vandersteen system in a perfectly treated and measured room was underwhelming right after the LCD-5.

That being said, I'll agree with cunt - they're two different experiences and for the most part incomparable, but who is out here comparing the two? lol

DSP is kind of a game changer, EQ is a big one you'll see discussed a lot around here. But there are free options, I just happen to like the convenience of being able to take care of all of that from my DAC. The ADI-2 is not likely to have much more power either tbh because honestly not much is really needed and the engineers at RME mention that in the manual, I personally don't think power makes a difference past a certain point but it's a big topic of debate

Your Topping unit is perfectly fine. I would be hard pressed to find anyone here who could tell a difference between the two in a blind A/B test (before applying DSP of course). The only reason the ADI-2 is more costly is because it is jam-packed with digital signal processing (DSP) features that work really well. I'm not sure why they felt the need to put you down just cause you didn't know the two aren't meant to go together.

I do hope that with time, more fans are able to look back and appreciate it. It played a huge role in my music formative years.

Good idea. I think something like a portapro would be more his speed.

A little embellishment never hurt hah and Thanks!