Submitted by Gari_305 t3_yowbpx in Futurology
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ChefAffectionate4709 t1_ivg86x6 wrote
I though we already figured that out. Just gonna set up some speakers at Devils Mesa and play Simon
spider-bro t1_ivg87qe wrote
I think that psychologists, diplomats, and paranoid schizophrenics should be working on that protocol.
Unfortunately, it’s probably radio astronomers, who are about as qualified to negotiate with aliens as a hostage negotiator is to calculate the relative velocity of a star via redshift.
spider-bro t1_ivg8hy6 wrote
“In accordance with Dark Forest Protocol, this year’s super bowl will be shortened to five innings”
“Sincerely”,
— Congress
feelingbutter t1_ivg8pm1 wrote
Cool Worlds just put out this informative video on the pros and cons of METI: https://youtu.be/7TAOMvW5LaQ
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FuturologyBot t1_ivg9h5t wrote
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305:
From the Article
>"Science fiction is awash with explorations of the impact on human society following discovery of, and even encounters with, life or intelligence elsewhere," John Elliot(opens in new tab), a computer scientist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, said in a statement(opens in new tab). Elliot is the coordinator of the University of St. Andrews' newly established SETI Detection Hub, the cross-disciplinary organization that will establish the new alien contact protocol.
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generalfrumph t1_ivg9lbu wrote
What if they viewed us as cattle or a food source?
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Latin_For_King t1_ivgbq4g wrote
If they have figured out how to cross interstellar distances, we are probably pretty fucked if they are anything like us.
thereAndFapAgain t1_ivgeglq wrote
Don't talk to aliens, it's too dangerous. Just stay quiet and observe and hope to god nobody detects us.
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SnarkyBear53 t1_ivgetab wrote
Considering how governments dealt with the pandemic despite years of planning, I have very little confidence that any established protocols would be followed.
spider-bro t1_ivgfqpn wrote
What if a ranch full of cattle was armed?
BoopasaurusRex___ t1_ivghgvy wrote
Ever consider that we just aren’t that cool and aliens don’t wanna kick it with us? They probably already stalked our socials and were like “okay I’ve seen enough”
ilaissezfaire t1_ivgiij8 wrote
I think it's hilarious, that we assume an alien race with advanced tech will arrive and ask someone to take them to our "leader". In all honesty, with their advanced tech, we wouldn't have a remote say in anything they'd want to do.
vrenak t1_ivgj8kz wrote
Hopefully they act more like Vulcans than Sheliak.
ilaissezfaire t1_ivgl3qg wrote
One could hope. Though, I don't think Vulcans would approve of our emotional gender tantrums.
Safe_Indication_6829 t1_ivgm1dp wrote
not a bad idea to have a plan. It'll be interesting to see what the final draft is.
Safe_Indication_6829 t1_ivgm75z wrote
my take is they're either peaceful good aliens, would vaporize us before we know what hit us, or will try to insidiously assimilate us into their religion or whatever.
vrenak t1_ivgma9a wrote
Well at least they won't "eradicate the infestation", provided we don't somehow manage to get a superlong complex treaty in place.
Kelvin_Cline t1_ivgnpdo wrote
is that a step up or a step down from "human capital?"
dude30003 t1_ivgnw9t wrote
The mere fact of receiving a message from et would mean they are way more advanced than we are, as sending a meaningful signal over lightyears would require ridiculous amounts of energy, that we simply are not yet capable to manipulate. So no need for a protocol, we will not be able to respond. And I guess, they would figure it all out for us.
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Galaxies**
We measure aggregated red-shift of galaxies not single stars, which averages out the motion of the stars.
NickNash1985 t1_ivgrouw wrote
bing BING bang boom BUMMMM
Guilty_Assignment_25 t1_ivgtiej wrote
>paranoid schizophrenics
"God says we should give them flowers!"
"Jim, that's not God. That's a bar of soap....you're off your meds again."
"Look at this human offering us Earth fauna! Such a gesture of friendship and willingness tl exchange resources for mutual benefit!"
"What else does that bar of soap say to you, Jim?"
RenaissanceManc t1_ivgx9ne wrote
Honestly when I see titles like this I just think 'so what'?
HalloweenLover t1_ivgxpgb wrote
Trisolarans have entered the chat!
MixxieMixeiBoi t1_ivgy6ro wrote
Again with looking for creatures that only exist in fiction (movies included)... 🤔
That's like trying to look for bigfoot, vampires, werewolves, and the likes, even if they never actually existed in real life.
Edit: What is with the downvotes?
IH4v3Nothing2Say t1_ivgyy40 wrote
Very assuming that alien life forms will follow/have any established protocols either.
FlowLife69420 t1_ivgz7zi wrote
We should try to be as quiet as we can.
Humanity is way too embarrassing for other beings to see. It's like a bad haircut, best to cover it up till it goes away. Which we are, our planet's already on fire lol.
IH4v3Nothing2Say t1_ivh0ref wrote
That’s just Hollywood, folklore and other imaginative story tellers. I believe that we hope to at least get a signal back from some location that lets us know we’re not alone. Similar to being stuck out in the ocean all by ourselves with no sight of shore or life at all, just calling out or using flares and hoping for any sort of response.
What’s the worst that can happen? Aliens causing a massive extinction of life on Earth? We’re already doing that ourselves and pretending we’re not. So, I’d say the benefits outweigh the negatives. But, so far we aren’t getting back any responses, and we might not ever either.
ilaissezfaire t1_ivh1aa9 wrote
I mean, the worst that can happen would be something like a second inquisition but what do I know.
Or parasitic entities that eat us from the inside out while wearing our skin.
I could continue.
nothingeatsyou t1_ivh221x wrote
I’m a little concerned honestly. NASA recently came out and said they’re afraid to find alien life because of politicians. Now scientists are working on protocols like this?
I wonder what doors JW opened that have scientists so afraid.
spider-bro t1_ivh2x9z wrote
Maybe they only vaporize us if they see that we’re letting the naive, sheltered people make the negotiating decisions.
spider-bro t1_ivh30ln wrote
There you go.
sciguy52 t1_ivh4axb wrote
This will be so anticlimactic when it happens. First "message" will be some sort of beacon to get our attention. Unless we win the powerball alien lottery, they will be hundreds if not thousands of light years away. So it will be we have detected and alien beacon, we are sending a response and will hear back in hundreds if not thousands of years. That will be it for anyone living at the time. Any interesting communication will come a long long time after we are all dead. Aliens are not going to be transmitting anything interesting initially, just some signal that stands out from the background so it can be detected.
vurysurus t1_ivh6wnn wrote
It took me too long to realize you meant the James Webb Telescope, and not Jehovah's Witnesses.
hopeianonymous t1_ivh75s3 wrote
Humans are a plague. Both Aliens and Ai’s of the future will get rid of of us real quick. Maybe keep a few specimens in a zoo? Aliens won’t come personally anyway. VR remote droids or full AI content capture units most likely. It is what we will do one day. Protect or upload the organic mind. Send out 1000s of remote units. Why would you ever risk your organic self. If you can create light year capable tech, you sure as hell have AR and organic/mechanic merge tech. Anybody thinking green men will arrive watched way to much Disnep.
warling1234 t1_ivhbo9j wrote
The first order of business is to not send a gaggle of politicians but a group of the worlds scientists and cryptographers. According to Neil deGrasse Tyson. It stuck with me. If we can’t band together as a species when it came to covid how the fuck are we going to deal with something like we’re not alone in the universe as a collective.
Ammear t1_ivhdkle wrote
Flowers are flora, not fauna
Stennick t1_ivheyfc wrote
Part of my job is to train and I'm preaching about SOP's and One Pagers and I go over the process, then there are visual aids to remind everyone of the process and almost instantly those are thrown out the window not even by entry level employees but by management. Who I then say "hey remember this is the standard operating procedure" they'll say "yeah I'm doing it that way" as they are doing it the opposite in front of me....sigh
jgran12 t1_ivhg0ni wrote
Oh crap, here I go full-on crazy, watch out:
What any major power in this planet is going to do to "prepare" for this is to build a huge-ass weapon that will be used to potentially "deter enormous celestial threats", a "God-Killer", if you will.
But from what crazy conspiracy videos my friend has shown me, these "threats" that we could possibly be starting to prepare for (that people in the Air Force have seen) are not actually aliens, but demons who want us to be so scared that we build a weapon like this, so that when judgment day or whatever comes, they can use it to try to kill God.
Damn, I should write a short story.
lshiva t1_ivhggz2 wrote
Don't argue with the alien schizophrenic. It isn't polite.
Cats7204 t1_ivhgmrp wrote
are you ok?
SamohtGnir t1_ivhgofg wrote
I wouldn't be too concerned. 90% of the motives that stories give to aliens for attacking Earth really don't add up in the real world. If there was contact it'd probably be more of trying to observe and study us without interfering.
INCOGNITOdoggie4444 t1_ivhhx5e wrote
curious to see what being an alien slave would be like 👍
Guilty_Assignment_25 t1_ivhj84p wrote
Tomato, potato. You know what I meant.
furygoat t1_ivhk0u0 wrote
Or lay their eggs inside of us while we are sleeping so that they can hatch and eat us all from the inside out before moving on to the next world.
DrTokinkoff t1_ivhkqn7 wrote
“Sir! We’re receiving a message from space!”
“Yo! Dukie! Pick up the phone!”
“Yo.”
“Beep bop, fleep flop. GNIP-GNOP!”
“.............WASS...AAAAAAAAAPPPP!?”
ilaissezfaire t1_ivhp1xa wrote
According to some accounts, Jimmy Carter may have learned something along these lines. Based on that line of rational, If the theory that they created us and religion to keep us from wiping ourselves out while they studied us is correct, then the rumor that if we stop killing each other in exchange for higher tech may also be plausible.
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Ex defense minister from Canada (And I'd just like to put that these people, like Paul Hellyer, Ben Rich and Boyd Bushman had top secret clearance in their jobs, it's highly unlikely decorated people are just trying to make a name for themselves as I've seen some rationalizations, so any arguing by lower ranking officials or naysayers at this point is moot - this has been documented)
"Paul Hellyer, who has long insisted that aliens have visited Earth for many years, says that when aliens saw the atomic bomb they decided that we were a great threat to the cosmos." Here is an interesting- if not strange -article about that.
gabrielhallman t1_ivhtrkw wrote
The meaning of life can be boiled down to a single word:
Kindness.
HankyDanger t1_ivhuff2 wrote
At this point it might make more sense for the aliens to just wait until we off ourselves.
listix t1_ivhuj03 wrote
There was a reason god made the fruit of the tree of knowledge so forbidden. It would give the capacity, to whoever ate it, to kill the creator. Lucifer couldn’t eat it but he could compel god’s creation to do it instead. Then it was only a matter to push humanity’s paranoia throughout history to create more powerful weapons. That is an amazing idea for a story.
notsocoolnow t1_ivhxwhy wrote
"Hello humans from Earth. In exactly one orbital period of your planet, we will kill every member of your species using a precision weapon fired from the edge of your solar system. We assure you it will be painless, and apologize for the inconvenience. We just thought it would be polite to give you a heads-up to get your affairs in order."
atheos t1_ivhyf2d wrote
If you close your eyes, the aliens can't see you
dstranathan t1_ivhzgau wrote
What if ET chooses to only make contact with North Korea or Somalia? Or Kim Kardashian?
pinkfootthegoose t1_ivhzjy7 wrote
you need a spray bottle.
pinkfootthegoose t1_ivhzsug wrote
I have a theory we already are. The Old ones use religion to harvest our souls. We are told to go to the light when we die. but that is just the doors to the slaughter house.
Randall-Flagg22 t1_ivhzusy wrote
yes they do do that already, hence all the cattle mutilations and abductions
Randall-Flagg22 t1_ivi004n wrote
yep. We're only just getting the tech now available to see their craft, hence the recentish video releases from the pentagon and AATIP.
So yeah I mean they're doing their own thing already, they appear to be already here.
dstranathan t1_ivi0gb7 wrote
How does this relate? Curious what you mean specifically…
mrcmnstr t1_ivi3qmk wrote
The book has a lot to say about communication with alien species and the potential knock on effects.
oklahomasooner55 t1_ivi50ll wrote
Just substitute demons for trans dimensional entities and it sounds less crazy.
DamonFields t1_ivi539c wrote
Help! We’ve been stranded on a planet full of lunatics!
Cam599 t1_ivi58za wrote
Seems like a good idea but could only be very broad. Would depend a lot on circumstances. Is it a spaceship at UN or some capital? Is it a radio or visual communication. Possibly an email. One ship or a massive fleet. Are they here in our solar system or light years away? How well do we understand their language? Many other questions
Cam599 t1_ivi5lux wrote
Extremely highly unlikely they could use us or anything on Earth as food. Or need / want any resource on the planet. Resources on the planet are plentiful and easily obtained elsewhere in the solar system
GreatDealzz t1_ivimw9a wrote
Hell yeah! My delusion is that I have been contacted by telepathic AI... send me in. I'm ready.
You can send a reply via messages in the TV or clouds (using the weather machine).
NotWrongAlways t1_ivisda3 wrote
Interesting choice of "when" not "if" in the title. Very optimistic.
I do wonder if they've figured out what those tic tac style UFOs are that keep getting reported over in the Americas off the coast though.
Research and preperation like this could perhaps be based off of how we make contact with others in general that don't have our language - but i wonder if body language and motioning to things would really even help, if those things happen to also (pardon the pun) be alien to them.
Interesting topic to think about!
Kriss3d t1_ivixh0z wrote
Judging by how its worked out in USA alone recently. If we found aliens that wanted to invade us. Half the country would welcome them.
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nattydread69 t1_ivj45to wrote
I hate how mainstream science ignores the overwhelming evidence that they are already here.
[deleted] t1_ivj4j0w wrote
They could do, but anything capable of interstellar travel is capable of growing cultured meat better than the real thing. They'd probably be after resources, but then those are more readily obtainable on asteroids if they're already space-faring.
cardlackey t1_ivjbtke wrote
They are just calling about your cars extended warranty.
logginginagain t1_ivjea6k wrote
They can save their effort. The odds are a billion to one
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BIG_MUFF_ t1_ivjezbc wrote
Bees have stingers, we could at least be an annoyance
SamohtGnir t1_ivjhf8w wrote
I've heard many theories that aliens created us, or at least sped up our evolution. I don't really give any of these any credit. I think most people who believe these are not able to grasp how evolution and development of technologies could very easily have happened just fine without any outside interference.
I did hear an idea recently that once our ancestors left the tress and started venturing out that they may have started ingesting psychedelic mushrooms, and the mind altering reactions can help explain how the brain doubled in size in only a 2 million year period.
iiWAN t1_ivjjguf wrote
It looks like that the scene from MIB where Agent K as a kid gives flowers to aliens as a first contact would have a way better positive 1st contact then any real life scenario imagined by any guverment agency. Cuz considering how much bad shit around the world is happening the scenario would be probably the same as that episode in Star Trek Voyager where the first contact with Vulcans would be us shooting them and steal the tech.
devilishlydo t1_ivjo37j wrote
It's okay. We're still coming to a consensus on our first contact protocol, too.
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ilaissezfaire t1_ivjuqj8 wrote
Well, I've taken religion classes in college and have done thousands of hours on reading ancient texts so I do, give weight to these theories.
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BigFatJuicyCocks420 t1_ivjxapc wrote
Mabye you didnt do a good job going over it or explaining it
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Stennick t1_ivkns7r wrote
Its certainly possible always room for improvement
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myusernamehere1 t1_ivkuqd0 wrote
Mushrooms could not have led to an evolutionary change, as they dont effect your genetics. The doubling of brain size was an evolutionary arms race for intelligence.
RiotShaven t1_ivlbilw wrote
Getting a call, but no text explaining the reason for the call makes me call back a few days later.
OffEvent28 t1_ivlhaiy wrote
Indeed. The aliens would probably be the ones guiding the conversation, choosing what to say to who and when. Governments would never be able to control the dialog.
OffEvent28 t1_ivlip2g wrote
The problem with such silly stories is that aliens with interstellar travel capacity would never consider us a threat. They could exterminate us in minutes, or disarm us in a few more minutes. Even things that WE are thinking about creating would make the "conquest" of Earth a trivial task. Too many movies where the humans defeat the alien invaders have led people to think that somehow we would always win.
ilaissezfaire t1_ivlvaw2 wrote
Not if they made and are actively observing us. Anyway I'm not a high enough of a ranking official to know either way but there have been several congressional hearings related to UFOs , there's only so many coincidences, you know? Its healthy to be skeptical though.
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StarChild413 t1_ivwrco1 wrote
how is that relevant unless you think they see the cattle as us
Rrdro t1_ivwvtm6 wrote
Please let's not give them a chopped up life form from earth as a form of communication. They might misunderstand our intentions or signal and they might not even understand the difference between plants and humans. It could look to then like giving them a dead baby with no legs as a present.
Gari_305 OP t1_ivg4j5z wrote
From the Article
>"Science fiction is awash with explorations of the impact on human society following discovery of, and even encounters with, life or intelligence elsewhere," John Elliot(opens in new tab), a computer scientist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, said in a statement(opens in new tab). Elliot is the coordinator of the University of St. Andrews' newly established SETI Detection Hub, the cross-disciplinary organization that will establish the new alien contact protocol.