Submitted by susinpgh t3_10zsthg in Pennsylvania
No-Neighborhood-7264 t1_j85ibrw wrote
Why wouldn't you want a fair election process? Why not just have voter ID?
susinpgh OP t1_j85igo8 wrote
There is already a fair election process.
Atrocious_1 t1_j85ymjh wrote
Not if you're a conservative who has realized unless they can do some voter suppression, they can't win
No-Neighborhood-7264 t1_j85j48c wrote
If everything is on the up and up, just have voter ID. Why does it take 2 days to count votes?
themollusk t1_j85jlry wrote
Because Republicans won't allow it to take less. Or only takes longer than a day because the PAGOP wouldn't allow for precanvassing.
Steelplate7 t1_j85slpd wrote
Mail in votes can’t be counted until the polls close. That means every person in the state who voted by mail, their ballots have to be fed into the counting machine. That’s why it takes days(and longer with close races).
Guess who came up with that one? The GOP.
susinpgh OP t1_j85jss5 wrote
Requiring Voter ID that has a fee attached is unconstitutional. If the ID that is required is free, then I wouldn't have a problem with requiring voter ID. It takes as long as it takes to make sure that every vote is counted.
BigMoose9000 t1_j85npe4 wrote
Then why won't the Democrats support free IDs? Life without an ID is next to impossible, the election security aspect is like the least of the problems it would fix.
susinpgh OP t1_j85rqbf wrote
IIRC, when the PA GOP proposed instituting voter ID several years ago, PA democrats said yes, with the caveat that the ID be free. The PA GOP refused that caveat.
For me, it all boils down to any kind of barrier to voting based on paying for the right, or having to pass a literacy test, or having to pass a history test.
Flimsy-Lie-1471 t1_j85xm3x wrote
“Election security“ is just fascist dog whistle for voter suppression.
BigMoose9000 t1_j85yvxg wrote
Most of Europe, not to mention Canada, require an ID to vote - not "make it easier with an ID", it's a hard requirement.
How is that requirement fascist here, but nowhere else?
ieatpotatochips t1_j867ipe wrote
Since you are using Canada as an example here are the list of IDs that are acceptable to vote in Canada.
Notice it’s a very long list of IDs and how many of the IDs listed would be free or something you already have because your a member of an organization or make use of some specific service that an organization provides. It’s a very comprehensive list that makes a wide array of options available to Canadian voters and ensures that as many people as possible can participate in the election and not be left out. This is the opposite of what’s generally proposed by the GOP. In our country the voter ID that is proposed is usually either a drivers license, which is not free but also not something everyone who is voter eligible can obtain. They also propose a regular government ID, again something that id not free and unavailable to some people who should be allowed to vote. Or other times they propose a whole new voter specific ID but again something that is never proposed as free and comes with new rules about who is eligible which would again exclude people who should be eligible to vote.
Flimsy-Lie-1471 t1_j86p14c wrote
Do they charge for the ID q-tip? Think long and hard before you lie to me.
BigMoose9000 t1_j87gns1 wrote
WikiSummarizerBot t1_j87gp6w wrote
[Canadian provincial and territorial photo cards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_provincial_and_territorial_photo_cards#:~:text=A card valid for a,for a fee of $20.&text=Seniors do not pay a renew fee.)
>In Canada, provincial driver's licences are the primary form of government-issued photo ID. Most Canadian provinces produce photo ID cards for Canadians who do not drive. A common feature of these cards is that it cannot be held concurrently with a valid drivers licence.
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Diarygirl t1_j88rc1u wrote
They don't require registration ahead of time.
Finrodsrod t1_j88adjb wrote
So you're proposing increases in taxes to make this possible?
BigMoose9000 t1_j8a7fft wrote
Nah we can shift money around from elsewhere - maybe blow up a few less kids in the Middle East and use the money we save on missiles.
rivershimmer t1_j85oo11 wrote
I have no problem with voter ID in and of itself; however, Republicans have been using the issue as a tool of disenfranchisement. Until that ends, I'll fight against changing the methods Pennsylvania has been using securely for years now.
>Why does it take 2 days to count votes?
Because of the concessions the Republicans in the legislature demanded when it comes to counting mail-in ballots.
ImperatorTempus42 t1_j85rrm4 wrote
Because unlike countries like Brazil, we have a major political party dedicated to making voting as hard as possible for people. Brazil held its presidential election via phone-based voting, and their country didn't collapse. But no, we have to do it in person on a shit weekday most of the time. Also, voter ID ought to just be your state ID or license, not a specific seperate ID, which also sounds unconstitutional.
DeHizzy420 t1_j85tc5f wrote
See? Right there.... You don't know what you're talking about... Republicans are the reason it takes so long to count votes...
Flimsy-Lie-1471 t1_j85xdio wrote
Tell me you hate America without telling me you hate America. You fascists are disgusting.
69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_j89of2u wrote
Voter ID is already required. This meme that anyone can register and just roll into a poling place and vote without ID is a lie.
> Why does it take 2 days to count votes?
Wait until you hear how long it took to count votes historically.
ell0bo t1_j85jcbg wrote
What's not fair about our current election process?
Voter ID is fine if you can guarantee everyone can get an ID without cost or effort. Can you guarantee that?
themollusk t1_j85ju4j wrote
Exactly. ZERO cost, and ZERO effort outside of requesting it. Until the GOP gets on board with that, voter ID is a total non starter.
No-Neighborhood-7264 t1_j85judb wrote
We can guarantee everything else in this state, and there is plenty of programs that provide so much already,why wouldn't we be able to provide ID's ? And why shouldn't voting be an effort? Nothing is free.
ell0bo t1_j85l3rd wrote
Because this is the land of the free and voting is a right. You want a fair election process, but aren't against it requiring effort to vote. That doesn't sound fair to me...
Also, this state can't guarantee shit.
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Steelplate7 t1_j85s9st wrote
Requiring to pay a fee to vote is a poll tax. Which is unconstitutional
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yeags86 t1_j87donb wrote
If poll taxes (which are illegal) are fine with you, which constitutional right are you willing to give up in return?
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SunOutrageous6098 t1_j85nyw0 wrote
You already produce ID to register to vote and to have your absentee or mail in ballot counted.
It’s like showing your ID to enter the liquor store and again to check out.
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Electr_O_Purist t1_j85kghg wrote
Have you ever heard the term “useful idiot,” and do you own any mirrors?
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Flimsy-Lie-1471 t1_j85x3g1 wrote
Cope harder traitor.
ShatterZero t1_j86i288 wrote
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/u/No-Neighborhood-7264, probably
IamSauerKraut t1_j86lpg5 wrote
>Why wouldn't you want a fair election process?
The Commonwealth ran 2 sets of audits. PA had a fair election process. Certain R's simply refused to accept the results. Too bad for them.
Frosty_Entertainer58 t1_j85l8iv wrote
I agree. When Stacy Abrams conceited to allowing Voter I.D. in Georgia. The Republicans declined. It's worth more to them as a Complaint, then a Problem to actually Address
Diarygirl t1_j88qov4 wrote
If you weren't complaining about voter ID, you would just come up with another excuse for why you think elections you lose are illegitimate.
Timewasted11222 t1_j85qcbu wrote
Because how would they cheat ? They’re as stupid as their entire party is. The party of morons
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