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tubesweaterguru t1_iu266l2 wrote
Fast and furious.
psychcaptain t1_iu274r9 wrote
Oh I hope he goes to jail and they throw away the key.
LenniLanape t1_iu29dz0 wrote
Fetterman will let him out.
psychcaptain t1_iu29p9j wrote
Sure, if he were found innocent. Maybe he would hire them.
But, we don't have a habit of putting innocent cops in jail in the Common Wealth.
gabronkas t1_iu2asqb wrote
So is the video of him selling these specific guns? Or they have a video of him selling guns to an undercover agent, and separately traced these guns back to him too?
If the former, know they have to protect the investigation, but kind of awful then the informant re-distributed these same guns and they were used in the shooting. Am I missing something?
No-Professional-1884 t1_iu2ch3e wrote
bAcK tHe BlUe…
matt5001 t1_iu2d2mq wrote
Sounds like he sold the 2 guns after they had been used in the Roxborough shooting.
> Both of the firearms the defendant sold on October 13, 2022 were traced by law enforcement as being used in a deadly shooting in Roxborough about two weeks prior
AFD_0 t1_iu2dins wrote
Yeah, this is 100% unclear.
Either the guns were illegally sold to federal informants and then later used in a shooting? Or.. they were used in a shooting, recovered by the Sheriff and then sold to the informants? Sounds like someone else should be in trouble for this as well.
AlVic40117560_ t1_iu2fxjb wrote
You could try doing an ounce of research before you just believe what you see in a political ad campaign. I’d say you probably actually think Dr. Oz killed puppies too, but I bet you conveniently don’t believe that one before even looking into it.
ProfessorDerp22 t1_iu2gbyc wrote
I bet you’re someone who makes their voting decision based off of campaign commercials.
PuzzledKale2841 t1_iu2gs9o wrote
What? A corrupt piece of shit cop? Never!
theytook-r-jobs t1_iu2hs63 wrote
Yes letting police get away with anything is a Democrat issue.
Wuz314159 t1_iu2ht21 wrote
There's only one gun store in México, easier to sell them here.
gslavik t1_iu2ieg5 wrote
So ... selling stuff out of the evidence locker? I presume the sale was not done through an FFL with a 4473 background check.
Strong_Guitar_2135 t1_iu2ixy3 wrote
Well some of the worst PDs for corruption are in big (D) cities. . .
Clarck_Kent t1_iu2k7d3 wrote
I was wondering for the last few years why so much gets spent on political ads until I was watching a football game with some neighbors and the commercial with the serious gravelly voiceover saying Fetterman wants to let all the murderers out of prison came on and one of the neighbors was like “Oh my god! Is that true?”
Then I understood it completely. They keep spending the money because it works.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2knnf wrote
From what I've heard the Philly Sheriff's department was missing 200+ guns from evidence.
Someone watched Lethal Weapon 3 and got inspired.
theytook-r-jobs t1_iu2ksna wrote
And are the members of those PDs Democrat or Republican?
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2ksp6 wrote
oNlY cOpS sHoUlD hAvE gUnS!!!11
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2kwsq wrote
That is for civilians. The cartels get them straight from the police and military, probably right off the plane still in their shipping containers.
Wuz314159 t1_iu2lgkq wrote
No. They buy them in the US & smuggle them over the border.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2lsj9 wrote
They aren't buying belt-fed M2s and such in the US and smuggling them over the border - because those aren't available to civilians. You think they're just popping over to Dick's Sporting Goods in Texas and backing the truck up to load hundreds of full auto M16s?
gslavik t1_iu2lz5d wrote
Would you happen to have a source? Would love to read more into that.
Practical_Law_7002 t1_iu2m7im wrote
>And are the members of those PDs Democrat or Republican?
He won't answer but I will.
Every single cop to my knowledge I met while in the Guard was either a republican or one or two libertarians.
To my knowledge I've never met a single liberal cop...
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2mdlz wrote
This was just from a most recent audit - apparently it includes both service weapons and evidence lockup. I'd wager it has grown a bit since 2015.
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Yonk_art t1_iu2mrlf wrote
Same. I'm friends with several cops and while they have moderate views they're still registered republicans who consistently vote red.
ell0bo t1_iu2n0bn wrote
Maybe in 50 years, considering thats what fetterman has done
Strong_Guitar_2135 t1_iu2n4t8 wrote
>To my knowledge I've never met a single liberal cop...
The police unions are full of them,your being willfully ignorant. Nice try though.
HectorsMascara t1_iu2ny9w wrote
Good to hear the feds seem to be somewhat on the case.
Old_Moment7914 t1_iu2o0n2 wrote
If you put them under the jail they stay, no keys you have to lose !
gslavik t1_iu2o0sd wrote
Thank you. I would add that it is just the sheriff's office ... I am sure Philly PD and other PDs (across the country) have similar gun disappearing issues.
Mor_Tearach t1_iu2o3x3 wrote
Corruption? Pa? I'm...I need to go sit down. It's just such a SHOCK I tell you SHOCKED.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2pnww wrote
Definitely. Even the military and National Guard have a problem with guns disappearing from time to time (although they tend to keep better track of their gear than the police do).
PPQue6 t1_iu2rcee wrote
Those are called "low information voters" or otherwise known as morons.
gslavik t1_iu2u91f wrote
Reminds me of the recent story where people bought a milsurp box and it came complete with rifles ...
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2v1rd wrote
Why can't that happen to me man? Why?
AlVic40117560_ t1_iu2v8se wrote
It’s taken me until this election to find out how effective those ads are. Anybody I know that is against Fetterman brings up the “he wants to let out murders!!” thing. First of all, good move Oz campaign. That’s been wildly effective.
I’ve explained it to a bunch of people at this point and it’s either they realize how they got dooped by a political attack ad, or they just keep making worse and worse excuses which leads me to believe they are just going to vote for the person their party was going to put up anyways.
The first time I saw the murders ad, I thought “that’s concerning. Let’s look more I to that.” Then when you actually look into it, it’s not what it sounds like at all. Apparently the 5 minutes of research is much more than what most people will do.
save_us_catman t1_iu2vfgx wrote
“Why is crime so high is SE PA???”
psychcaptain t1_iu2vicl wrote
He did bank roll research I'm which puppies died though, right? Or was that disproven?
BureaucraticHotboi t1_iu2we60 wrote
Philly sheriffs office is historically and recently extremely corrupt. They really have no business existing. They basically guard court houses and transport prisoners and do some civil warrant serving. However they wouldn’t be holding guns in most cases from crimes sounds like this guy bought and sold these on the street.
BureaucraticHotboi t1_iu2wqu2 wrote
Yeah the sheriffs office in Philly is even worse and less controlled because they are an superfluous law enforcement agency. For all their problems PPD could absorb the duties of the sheriffs office and civil servants could do the rest they literally don’t have a law enforcement mandate except guarding court houses and transporting some prisoners to court. But we have PPD and a robust (of understaffed) corrections department they could be absorbed by both instead they are a patronage hole for people who can’t get hired by other agencies
JennItalia269 t1_iu2x9s1 wrote
The timeline is confusing as presented. It goes like this:
Incident 1. Guns used in Roxborough HS shooting.
Incident 2. Two weeks later, guns stolen from evidence and sold to a CI.
So the sheriff didn’t sell the guns prior to use at roxborough, but presumably stole them from evidence and sold them after the fact.
alaska1415 t1_iu2xh8a wrote
Didn’t the Philly Police Union support Republicans in every election since forever?
sharkbanger t1_iu2y7s0 wrote
No, actually they are not and never have been.
You're thinking of worker's unions.
AlVic40117560_ t1_iu307l0 wrote
Like most of these things, it was a half truth. He was doing cardiac testing on dogs. He’s a heart doctor and at the time, animal testing on dogs was pretty standard. The medical community has since moved away from dogs for the most part, but what he was doing wasn’t out of the ordinary. I haven’t looked into it since the first time I looked into it so my numbers may not be perfect, but I think there were 3 dogs out of about 300 over a 15 or so year period that were in question for being mistreated. One of those three based on the investigation was treated humanly after having complications. The other two ended up staying alive for a few days after being paralyzed when they should have been euthanized. And Dr. Oz wasn’t the actual person doing any of these tests. He was just on the board I believe.
So was Dr. Oz involved in killing puppies? Yes. Was he maliciously killing and torturing puppies? No.
Dr_Legacy t1_iu31zsn wrote
> But, we don't have a habit of putting innocent cops in jail in the Common Wealth US.
SophiaofPrussia t1_iu34829 wrote
Oh man I just looked and it seems that hysterical “Dr. Oz: Hollywood Liberal” ad from the primaries where they tried to parody liberals has been scrubbed from YouTube. What a bummer! That one was my favorite. They did all of their best hits: airhead blond, clueless stoner bro, lady with hair dyed a bright and unnatural color. It was so unintentionally funny.
calicoskiies t1_iu35yvs wrote
This is not shocking at all. We know the police do that here.
thistledew_13 t1_iu369on wrote
I came here to make this exact joke lol, fast and furious a great plan from the Obummer administration
boomerinvest t1_iu3du5o wrote
Like this one from Philly?? /s
boomerinvest t1_iu3duz0 wrote
Philly is mainly D
JCSeegars54 t1_iu3o043 wrote
A currutaca cop who would’ve guessed
LenniLanape t1_iu3olkb wrote
OK. So much for sarcasm. After ALL the negative ads that we've been bombarded with and in alignment with standard reddit responses I thought wrong. Looks like everybody has their panties in a bunch.
LenniLanape t1_iu3oso1 wrote
Nope. I throw darts at a board with the names on it.
psychcaptain t1_iu3qt76 wrote
Killing puppies is pretty bad....
psychcaptain t1_iu3r3t9 wrote
Unironically, yes. Well, that, and our Military.
So, let's throw the book at this guy.
wubbalubbazubzub t1_iu3rv02 wrote
Why would Krasner do such a thing?
bikingwithscissors t1_iu3v7zd wrote
Here’s a real life example of why that’s a bad idea, and you choose to double down. Bold.
heili t1_iu3x15l wrote
Guns, drugs and money tend to grow legs in evidence lockers.
point_breeze69 t1_iu3xm12 wrote
Are you Yoda?
point_breeze69 t1_iu3xyvz wrote
PM_STAR_WARS_STUFF t1_iu3yts7 wrote
A misbehaving cop? Why, I’ve never…
psychcaptain t1_iu3yveo wrote
Because I would like to have a murder rate of school children to be comparable to that of other Western Nations.
I figure, The Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, France, UK, Australia, Japan, S. Korea, and Spain have had near zero school Shooting since guns were banned. Why not try what other countries are doing?
psychcaptain t1_iu3z0xw wrote
How's is this a real life example? The guy broke the law, and will spends years in jail?
You might as well be saying 'Murders happen, so we might as well never outlaw murders'.
I think it's a good thing this guy is going to jail for selling guns. Now let's take it a step further.
bikingwithscissors t1_iu3zef3 wrote
It's a real life example because it's a cop selling guns illegally, disproving the idea that cops are the only ones responsible enough to be trusted with guns. Mexico is a broader example of how corrupt states with a monopoly on violence become incestuously connected to the criminal underground.
chonkypot t1_iu3zpaw wrote
I think the other guy is saying that this is a prime example of why NOT to outlaw guns, because even the police will sell guns to you illegally. If you were to outlaw guns, only the non-law abiding citizens would have them.
yeahimsadsowut t1_iu3zuzt wrote
What’s crazy is I don’t even think the wire had cops this corrupt or dirty.
Just sad. Law enforcement is literally the criminal.
LenniLanape t1_iu40vbw wrote
So glad to see the ads worked so well. We, as neighbors and Pennsylvanians are now so gullible, so divided and no longer show any respect for one anothers opinions. After having worked in the advertising industry I can say that the candidates got their money's worth and (listen carefully) there is NO truth in advertising. There should be disclaimers on ALL political advertising.
Thecrawsome t1_iu415e4 wrote
This should be a hate cult investigation but it isn't. Cop unions are mobster outlets IMHO.
whatisevenleft t1_iu41odh wrote
Shocking? Really?
Gov_Martin_OweMalley t1_iu42vn8 wrote
None of those countries completely ban firearms they allow ownership to one degree or another, some much more strict than the others. So that begs the question, why are you lying?
Edit: Just for more visablity in pointing out that the above user is lying
France - A breakdown of what's required to purchase and own a firearm
UK - A Breakdown of the laws that allow ownership
Australia - Has more firearms in country than even before the confiscation scheme and you are still allowed to own and purchase.
Germany - Process to acquire a firearm.
Netherlands - Permits avialabe for hunting and sporting
Here's a further breakdown for 16 other countries put together by the NY Times.
Thyristor_Music t1_iu43ldj wrote
I guess this explains alot about the out of control crime rate in philly right now.
Joe_Jeep t1_iu44i2n wrote
oh boy the whataboutisms are here early
What part of "under no pretext" do y'all not understand? Stop going to bat for the cowards by bringing up other topics
psychcaptain t1_iu45fce wrote
Honestly, I don't know where you get your information from. I can say, as someone who has lived in The Netherlands, Germany and Belgium, and frequently visited France and the UK, that those countries have effectively banned gun and gun ownership.
You know what is really going to blow your mind? Those countries don't even support the Castle Doctrine! If you live in the Netherlands, and someone is robbing your house, unless you are being physically threatened, your own defendable action is to retreat and call the police. You don't have the assumed right to protect your property! And yet, most forms of crime are much rarely in the Netherlands, especial gun violence. Now, from what I could gather from my Cousin, becoming a cop in the Netherlands is tough and a lot of training, so maybe you just get what you pay for.
I am sure there are limited situations in which someone might be able to get a shotgun or rifle (there is some sharpshooting traditions, as well as some old country laws) but to get those weapons is to go through so much legal effort, that it's beyond the majority of the population.
In any case, it is you that is the liar, but what is worse, you are ignorant of the world!
TheRadicalEdward t1_iu45rih wrote
If this were posted in r/Philadelphia the title would be more like "Typical Day: Cops Shocked They're in Trouble for Selling Guns Used in Roxborough Shooting." Idt anyone in Philly is surprised.
TheRadicalEdward t1_iu45u4q wrote
Melt that key down! Then the lock! Then the jail cell!
psychcaptain t1_iu464y4 wrote
And if you outlaw tanks only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw fighter jets, only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw rocket propelled grenade launchers, only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw biological weapons, only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw missiles, only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw giant mech robots, than only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw Time Machines, than only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw unicorns than only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw dreams than only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw comics, than only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
And if you outlaw dooms day machines, than only non-law abiding citizens would have them.
psychcaptain t1_iu46dd4 wrote
And Netherlands and Germany are examples of peaceful nations that super strict gun control, in which none of that happens.
Oh and France. United Kingdom S. Korea New Zealand Australia Belgium Luxembourg Italy Spain Japan
Gov_Martin_OweMalley t1_iu46vs2 wrote
>Honestly, I don't know where you get your information from.
Legitimate sources, unlike you I don't make things up out of thin air to push an agenda.
France - A breakdown of what's required to purchase and own a firearm
UK - A Breakdown of the laws that allow ownership
Australia - Has more firearms in country than even before the confiscation scheme and you are still allowed to own and purchase.
Germany - Process for aquire a firearm.
Netherlands - Permits avialbe for hunting and sporting
Here's a further breakdown for 16 other countries put together by the NY Times.
> I can say, as someone who has lived in The Netherlands, Germany and Belgium, and frequently visited France and the UK
Since you've already been shown to be dishonest, anything you say at this point is beyond suspect.
Gov_Martin_OweMalley t1_iu476mq wrote
That user is unfortunately a habitual liar. They have made some pretty bogus claims throughout this post.
bikingwithscissors t1_iu481nd wrote
If you look at the experimental design for some of those studies, one of them involved opening up a dog's chest, attaching a pacemaker to the heart to simulate tachycardia, and then pumping various drugs into the dog to see if any slowed down the heart rate... which surprise surprise, none did because drugs don't stop a pacemaker. That one alone involved around 30 dogs. The experimental design was inherently flawed and it puzzles me how the proposal made it past the university's ethics board.
SomeOtherOrder t1_iu49xa7 wrote
That’s a whole lot of words for “yeah he killed some dogs”
SunRaye92 t1_iu4cb8s wrote
Based on the documents from the govt, the sheriff exited his vehicle, met a third individual from whom he received the two guns used in the shooting, and then returned to his vehicle and accepted payment from the informant.
Benanov t1_iu4eyt0 wrote
AND it happened so soon after the incident that those firearms are definitely going to be used for prosecution and trial...this wasn't just selling firearms illegally it was preventing justice from being done
ramvan t1_iu4ggig wrote
From reading other news sources, he sold the guns to an FBI informant after the shooting. The FBI did ballistics testing after they bought them and found that they were the guns from the high school shooting. It’s not clear how he got them, but presumably he got them illegally. There was never an announcement about recovering the guns, and due to the nature of the crime the city has been vocal about every bit of positive news in the case. That makes me think he got them on the street rather than stealing them from an evidence locker as some have speculated.
Soccermom233 t1_iu4ijhc wrote
Maybe that's why Krasner doesn't pursue illegal gun possession charges. Hard to prosecute cops.
crazy-puff t1_iu4jpc5 wrote
This is news to me
persechino218 t1_iu4sf8k wrote
Killadelphia… so glad I got out of that God forsaken city.
Libsoccer20 t1_iu4tkuz wrote
Wait until you see all the news coming out that the GOP in Pa are planning on calling our election rigged.
Boring-Rhubarb t1_iu4uq1d wrote
Simpleton gonna be a simpleton 😂😂☠️
psychcaptain t1_iu4uzrg wrote
Just trying to write to your reading and comprehension level.
Which is to say, I think you should be very angry at your teachers and family right now, because they obviously let you down.
Boring-Rhubarb t1_iu4vr5g wrote
Keep being a simpleton, simpleton 😂😂☠️☠️☠️
psychcaptain t1_iu4w9if wrote
Nah, there comes a time when you realize that the pig enjoys the mud, and I don't.
I'm off. I hope you find whatever you are looking for in life, Random Internet Person, and hopefully, whatever is, is wonderful and great, and not base or twisted.
No-Professional-1884 t1_iu4zs5c wrote
As a gun owning, 2A supporting progressive, wtf are you talking about? The fucking police are the #1 reason to be armed in this country.
Boring-Rhubarb t1_iu500jb wrote
Simpleton gonna keep being a simpleton 😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️
No-Professional-1884 t1_iu504sl wrote
This guy gets it.
Thisam t1_iu53l4t wrote
Unfortunately most of them work for their own career advancement first and foremost. Clearly this falls into that category…though I agree it is absolutely the right action.
Halasham t1_iu541ng wrote
Alternating capitalization is one way to indicate sarcasm. Similar to /s but more work to do.
No-Professional-1884 t1_iu5666l wrote
You mean like I did as the first comment? 🤣😂🤣
PartyLettuce t1_iu5kmhr wrote
Average Philly moment
Iatsiarwbyo t1_iu5ljjc wrote
It's always shady in Philadelphia...
Halasham t1_iu5m433 wrote
Sorry, should've double-checked names before posting.
SeaPoem717 t1_iu5tq8c wrote
It’s weird how casual he was about it. This wasn’t his first time.
arose_mtom124 t1_iu61ofn wrote
I am not shocked. Who is shocked? Asking for a friend…
klauskervin t1_iu8a63r wrote
This is why there are so many illegal guns on the street. How many other Sheriff Deputy's around the state are selling hot weapons? How many are stolen by police themselves and resold?
IrrumaboMalum t1_iugyyz9 wrote
I'm pointing out a common duality demonstrated by some (many?) on the left wing who seem to believe at the same time that the cops are vile, filthy, racist bastards who will do anything they can to justify shooting POC (which is largely correct) and then turn around and often say that cops are the only people sufficiently trained and vetted enough to be allowed to carry (some will even go as far as to say own) guns.
I am also very left of center and own more guns than most right wingers and I cringe at the right wing who says "back the blue!" and at the left wing who says "only cops should have guns!"
Everyone needs to get a damned clue.
No-Professional-1884 t1_iuhbkws wrote
Gotcha. I couldn’t tell if it was that or if (and please pardon me) you were some right wing nut job taunting me for not wanting to lick a boot.
Stay strong comrade.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iuhc932 wrote
I'm still right of the anti-gun left while being left of center. I haven't done the whole "if you go far enough left you get your guns back" yet.
No-Professional-1884 t1_iuheiqc wrote
Weird thing is, I’m a lot farther left than most of those people and I still believe in 2A.
While there is a massive gun violence issue in this country, we aren’t doing enough to mitigate that in meaningful ways yet to begin to consider amending/modifying 2A.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iuhfo9m wrote
>Weird thing is, I’m a lot farther left than most of those people and I still believe in 2A.
That was the point of my "if you go far enough left you get your guns back" comment. Communists, for example, are historically pro-gun - and they are certainly much further left than the self-proclaimed socialists and progressives that make up the modern Democrat party.
It seems like the closer you are to the center and the further you are from the center, the more pro-gun you are. And then there is that odd range between them (us? me and you?) that is somehow staunchly anti-gun while being bracketed by unapologetically pro-gun people.
I, personally, have no intention of ever giving up my guns - since that would require putting trust in the government to keep me safe. And let's be honest - government hasn't done much...ever...to instill a sense of trust into any sane person.
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